*Author

guy_fawkes

  • Guest
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100003#msg100003
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2010, 02:52:25 pm »
i don't think that the shield slot is "stackable", because if i play 2 fire buckler they don't stack...

Offline BluePriest

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3771
  • Reputation Power: 46
  • BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.
  • Entropy Has You
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 5th Birthday Cake
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100020#msg100020
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2010, 03:26:31 pm »
i don't think that the shield slot is "stackable", because if i play 2 fire buckler they don't stack...
Its not the slot that is stackable, it is the card itself.

Permanent slots arent always stackable. In fact they only are if its a pillar. Same with shields. The slot itself isnt what determines if it is stackable or not, it is the card.
This sig was interrupted by Joe Biden

guy_fawkes

  • Guest
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100035#msg100035
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2010, 03:50:20 pm »
so the bone wall card is stackable?
what if i play a bone wall when there's a bone wall in play?
does it stack?

Offline dracomageat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1197
  • Country: gb
  • Reputation Power: 15
  • dracomageat is a Blue Crawler starting to think about his first run.dracomageat is a Blue Crawler starting to think about his first run.dracomageat is a Blue Crawler starting to think about his first run.
  • Lord of Magnetism... ...Maybe.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeBrawl #2 Winner - Team FireSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100129#msg100129
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2010, 05:33:28 pm »
because bone wall stacks.
Read the shield slot. One shield per player. Shields cannot stack without breaking this rule. Thus bone walls break the rules.

To make them work within the rules, bone walls should use "charges". Each damage source removes a charge but 1 deflag destroys the whole shield.

BloodAngel

  • Guest
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100260#msg100260
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2010, 07:41:45 pm »
because bone wall stacks.
Read the shield slot. One shield per player. Shields cannot stack without breaking this rule. Thus bone walls break the rules.

To make them work within the rules, bone walls should use "charges". Each damage source removes a charge but 1 deflag destroys the whole shield.
You have to think beyond that :P
You have to compare it with a lot of obstacles (bones) that block one damage source at a time.
You if i put a bone like this  _ (ground)  | (bone)    its like
_|_|_|_|_|_|_ etc
whether its a deflag/steal or a damage source  it just removes one stick, but there are many others beyond that one.

But  i do recommend giving Zanz the opportunity to make the decission,
and you guys, don't spend your time to discuss about this card :P

miniwally

  • Guest
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100263#msg100263
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2010, 07:44:47 pm »
If this is implemented bone wall loses a lot of it's appeal though, I can't see why you think it's OP as it is because I think it's just right and fits the death elemental theme right.

BloodAngel

  • Guest
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100296#msg100296
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2010, 08:21:05 pm »
If this is implemented bone wall loses a lot of it's appeal though, I can't see why you think it's OP as it is because I think it's just right and fits the death elemental theme right.
agreed :) plus the bone wall forms an excellent combo with oty or RoF against the FG
if your using a traditional rainbow

Offline BluePriest

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3771
  • Reputation Power: 46
  • BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.
  • Entropy Has You
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 5th Birthday Cake
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100722#msg100722
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2010, 12:28:33 pm »
so the bone wall card is stackable?
what if i play a bone wall when there's a bone wall in play?
does it stack?
Its because Bone wall itself is a stack of shields. You cant stack stacks, the new stack will replace the old stack.
because bone wall stacks.
Read the shield slot. One shield per player. Shields cannot stack without breaking this rule. Thus bone walls break the rules.

To make them work within the rules, bone walls should use "charges". Each damage source removes a charge but 1 deflag destroys the whole shield.
Its one shield card with 7 shields on it.
This sig was interrupted by Joe Biden

guy_fawkes

  • Guest
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100735#msg100735
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2010, 01:06:11 pm »
Blue most of your time you make stuff up :P :P
you can stack shields because the bone shield is stackable, but you can't stack stacks of bone shields? :P

give me a break :P

the real problem here is that there is one exception on the rules just for one card, it does not really make sense to me...

Quote
Its one shield card with 7 shields on it.
so it's a single card with "shield counters" on it...
i am deflagrating the card (which is 1 as you say) so it should go away with one shot...

Malduk

  • Guest
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100738#msg100738
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2010, 01:14:17 pm »
i am deflagrating the card (which is 1 as you say) so it should go away with one shot...
No you're not. Where did you read that? You're deflagrating one permanent, not one card. Spells are applied to creatures and permanents, not cards.

guy_fawkes

  • Guest
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100739#msg100739
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2010, 01:18:06 pm »
i am deflagrating the card (which is 1 as you say) so it should go away with one shot...
No you're not. Where did you read that? You're deflagrating one permanent, not one card. Spells are applied to creatures and permanents, not cards.
 :-\
you got me,
i don't know what to say,
i said card instead of permanent...  :'(

Offline BluePriest

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3771
  • Reputation Power: 46
  • BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.BluePriest is towering like an Amethyst Dragon over their peers.
  • Entropy Has You
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 5th Birthday Cake
Re: Deflagration should destroy 7 Bone Walls https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8574.msg100749#msg100749
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2010, 01:26:55 pm »
Blue most of your time you make stuff up :P :P
you can stack shields because the bone shield is stackable, but you can't stack stacks of bone shields? :P

give me a break :P

the real problem here is that there is one exception on the rules just for one card, it does not really make sense to me...

Quote
Its one shield card with 7 shields on it.
so it's a single card with "shield counters" on it...
i am deflagrating the card (which is 1 as you say) so it should go away with one shot...
Notice how this game is not magic.
I never said shield counters. I said a stack of 7 shields. Each shield is 1 permanent. The same logic is applied to pillars. You have a limit of permanent slots, but your pillars do not take up 1 slot each, the same is applied here.

Now as to the stacks not stacking, that is actually very simple. THEY DONT. Im not making anything up there, its just a fact of lifetm. Look at it like this. The general rule of shields is that UNLESS THE CARD SAYS OTHERWISE they do not stack.
Bone wall says that you can place 1 bone wall, and it "summons 7 bone shields that absorb damage from a single source."
Say you have 20 bone walls up right now. You play it, like any other shield, it replaces your current shield (which just so happens to be a bone wall)l and "summons 7 bone shields that absorb damage from a single source."

Theres nothing that defies logic about this card. It wouldnt make since if it DID stack 7 more onto each bone wall you play.

This sig was interrupted by Joe Biden

 

blarg: