Cards that Only Jmizzle Upgrades

[Essence]

Right now, there are 2 cards that no one ever uses upgraded, and they have a lot of similarities.

Thorn Carapace and Hope.

Both are more expensive upgraded, and both block an extra point of damage when upgraded.  In the case of Thorn Carapace, that point of blocked damage prevents the card from being able to kill annoying 1/X creatures like Arctic Squid.  In the case of Hope, RoL/Fractal already blocks so much damage (and is the only real way to use Hope in a high-end setting) that paying more for the extra point of damage blocked is just not as important as getting it out in the first place (i.e. for less quanta).


I propose that both of these shields have upgrades that do exactly what the standard version does, but cost 2 quanta less.  That would see the upgrades being put to good use instantly.


Thank you, and have a day.

[Artois]

Hear, hear, I support this motion.

[icybraker]

Lots of people use upgraded Hopes (like yours truly).

Anyways, I support this motion, too, but with a slight change. 1 quanta less, not two. Both of these shields are very powerful - some even regard them as overpowerful - and I don't want them to be a whopping 2 quanta less. 1 is fine with me.

[unionruler]

Right now, there are 2 cards that no one ever uses upgraded, and they have a lot of similarities.

Thorn Carapace and Hope.

Both are more expensive upgraded, and both block an extra point of damage when upgraded.  In the case of Thorn Carapace, that point of blocked damage prevents the card from being able to kill annoying 1/X creatures like Arctic Squid.  In the case of Hope, RoL/Fractal already blocks so much damage (and is the only real way to use Hope in a high-end setting) that paying more for the extra point of damage blocked is just not as important as getting it out in the first place (i.e. for less quanta).


I propose that both of these shields have upgrades that do exactly what the standard version does, but cost 2 quanta less.  That would see the upgrades being put to good use instantly.


Thank you, and have a day.

I use 3 upped hopes and no unupped in my anti FG. Have always toyed around with the idea of substituting one for an unupped hope but it's never transpired.

I believe upped thorn carapace is used in aflatoxin anti FG strategies. No need to kill the cells let them infest the board.

[PhuzzY LogiK]

I believe Spine Carapace is the same cost upped as non-upped, but either way, I have to disagree. 

Both of these are extremely powerful shields, and they need a higher cost.  The ability to play one of these in the first turn or two isn't really balanced.  Take Hope, for example: you're talking about being able to have a shield out--possibly in the first turn, turn 2 at the latest--that cannot be removed by your opponent.  Add that to the fact that RoL have 0 casting cost, and you can set up a Hope Deck before creature control is even really possible.

[Kurohami]

I disagree. I uses both upgraded hope and spine carapce, ironically. I use upgraded hope for Gl1tch's trial winning deck and spine carapace for my frogtal just because it looks better with all the other cards upgraded and blocking 1 damage is worth it often times. So I encourage you to do more research before making such statements, no offence.

[Glitch]

I'll agree with kuro about hope, but not Spine Carapace.  The purpose of a spine carapace in a life deck is for creature control, and if you're using it as an actual shield, might I show you Jade shield and it's many wonders.

Perhaps the upgraded shield should have better odds of poisoning a creature?

[PhuzzY LogiK]

Perhaps the upgraded shield should have better odds of poisoning a creature?

So then would the un-upped be lowered to 50%, and the upped stay at 75%?  Because anything over 75% starts to be a little ridiculous.

[Malduk]

I use 3 upped hopes and no unupped in my anti FG. Have always toyed around with the idea of substituting one for an unupped hope but it's never transpired.

I use 2 upped, 1 unupped Hope. Its not a spectacular change, but it helps being able to choose at certain situations.

Anyway, on original topic, I'd make upgraded Hope cost the same as unupgraded so you actually get something from upgrading that card without drawback on cost. It would be more or less in line with other upgraded cards.

[Kurohami]

The purpose of a spine carapace in a life deck is for creature control, and if you're using it as an actual shield, might I show you Jade shield and it's many wonders.

Perhaps the upgraded shield should have better odds of poisoning a creature?

No, the odds are the same, but why not make it both a creature control and a actual shield? I know there are certain creatures with below 1 attack that have good abilities, but most of the time it doesn't matter. Squid? I'll most likely have too many frogs for my opponent to freeze up in time to avoid his death. Oty? It will only be affected by the shield after it ate something anyways, so why not let it eat another frog then poison it? I have too many frogs for it to eat any ways. But against a creature spam rush deck? That 1 damage reduce works wonders, it will poison them just fine because creature spam rush decks don't don't spam 1 damage creatures and it will reduce a lot of damage. Against a fractal ray of light? A non-upgrade one might work a lot better indeed, but I don't run into those very often, and it's not really hopeless with the upgraded one either, see the thread in humour:"the most bizzare stalemate".

[jmizzle7]

Two things...

Hear, hear, I support this motion.

He said "hear, hear." My day just got better.

Second thing: The title to this thread made me think of Skeleton and Solar Buckler, but I laughed anyway. Essence, you have the kind of wit that makes me wonder if we're not really just brothers from another mother.

[BluePriest]

Right now, there are 2 cards that no one ever uses upgraded, and they have a lot of similarities.

Thorn Carapace and Hope.

Both are more expensive upgraded, and both block an extra point of damage when upgraded.  In the case of Thorn Carapace, that point of blocked damage prevents the card from being able to kill annoying 1/X creatures like Arctic Squid.  In the case of Hope, RoL/Fractal already blocks so much damage (and is the only real way to use Hope in a high-end setting) that paying more for the extra point of damage blocked is just not as important as getting it out in the first place (i.e. for less quanta).


I propose that both of these shields have upgrades that do exactly what the standard version does, but cost 2 quanta less.  That would see the upgrades being put to good use instantly.


Thank you, and have a day.

Here was my thought process
1)*looks at title* this is going to talk about how JMizzle is so rich that he upgrades his relics or something along those lines
2*looks at location of topic* Wait what? *looks at location of topic again* Wait, is this a joke or something? Is he suggesting that Jmizzle has cards that only he can upgrade?
3)Looks at

Right now, there are 2 cards that no one ever uses upgraded, and they have a lot of similarities.

Thorn Carapace and Hope.

Hey! I use hope!

Although, I do agree that something needs to be done about these cards. not sure what, they just seem TOO expensive. Permafrost is better IMO, and costs the same. No top ranking FG deck uses these upped (Well, does the RoL hope Fractal deck use upped hope?) I just font see much use for them, even though the effect is good, I dont consider it + 1 defense to be all that great.