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[Arena] No control over the number of upgraded/unupgraded oracle cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29219.msg372706#msg372706
« on: July 28, 2011, 04:09:43 pm »
So... After realizing that my mono Gravity deck is failing, I decided to build a new deck today.

My oracle card is Abomination and I decided to make a mono :entropy deck with unupgraded aboms and rest upgraded cards.

I set my wisdom to 30 (since deck card limit is 35 and 5~6 of them's gonna be unupped aboms), and noticed a problem:

The user have no control whatsoever over the # of upgrades within the 5 oracle cards.




Currently it seems like the wisdom level automatically determines the number of upgrades within oracle cards. If wisdom is 5, there is one upgrade; wisdom 10, two upgrades .... wisdom 30, 4 upgrades; wisdom 60, 5 upgrades.

There's no way to modify this; for example, I've tried adding an unupgraded abom and removing an upgraded one and so on, but didn't work.



There are some cards in Elements that have their own merits unupgraded, and it saddens me that I cannot use those unupgraded cards in arena decks with the rest of the deck upgraded.

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Re: [Arena] No control over the number of upgraded/unupgraded oracle cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29219.msg372730#msg372730
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2011, 04:38:33 pm »
All in all, I don't think it's a terrible problem with most cards, but in some cases it can't be really annoying, and I do agree with you anyway - even if that particular card does no harm upped or unupped, I would like to have a choice on what to upgrade when I chose wisdom.

I just had Firefly Queen as my oracle spin the other day, and it's one of the worst possible cards in a situation like this, should you actually want to use the Firefly quanta for something. The only way to have a consistent choice is to leave it all unupped and use the :light quanta or all upped and use :fire, otherwise it's too inconsistent to really work. Same problem with Pufferfish.

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Re: [Arena] No control over the number of upgraded/unupgraded oracle cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29219.msg372734#msg372734
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 04:45:48 pm »
I had the exact same problem with unupgraded/upgraded phoenixes.

I think GG has a very valid point here and this should be adressed. It influences the deck building alot, while it should leave the choices of what not to upgrade to the player.

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Re: [Arena] No control over the number of upgraded/unupgraded oracle cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29219.msg373013#msg373013
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 06:50:12 am »
The thing is, the arena decks are supposed to be restricted by the oracle cards.  What's the harm in another restriction like this?  It simply forces the player to use their cards more effectively.

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Re: [Arena] No control over the number of upgraded/unupgraded oracle cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29219.msg373115#msg373115
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 02:22:19 pm »
By not allowing the choice of having them upped or not, you aren't promoting more effective use of the oracle card - it's quite the opposite; it's actually a motivation to often times disregard it and not try to make a strategy around it, since you have a very clumsy control over its upgrade status.

Many times you'll have half of the cards upped and half unupped, ruining a good synergy. Other times you would have a neat idea for a deck using the unupped version of the oracle card in a fully upped deck - and, guess what, you'll never be able to do it. Of course, it frequently won't matter as much, but I only see this particular restriction as something that motivates "creativity" in a bad way - to find a workaround for the oracle card instead of using it to its full potential in a good synergy (whenever its upped/unupped status does matter in deck building strategy).

Re: [Arena] No control over the number of upgraded/unupgraded oracle cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29219.msg373138#msg373138
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 03:08:31 pm »
also, the upgraded version of an oracle card takes up one upgraded slot, which can also be really annoying.

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Re: [Arena] No control over the number of upgraded/unupgraded oracle cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29219.msg373158#msg373158
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 03:46:12 pm »
I agree and disagree. I agree because it cuts off many different types of decks with your oracle card and I disagree because... well... it cuts off many different types of decks with the oracle card. It promotes creativity, but at the same time, its bad enough that it chooses the card. Upgraded or not is sorta annoying.
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