Arctic Squid freeze nerf suggestion

[godofdeath500]

I just played a game against an Fractal Squid (AI3) deck, and almost quit because the damn thing kept freezing my creatures on its turn right after it unfroze.

My suggestion is this:
Make the creatures attack after it unfreezes. Freeze is too strong in my opinion. The idea is to provide a good CC, not a complete shutdown, right?

Anyone agree with me?

[Demagog]

I've thought about this too, but I disagree. For one, if you look at the delay status for the creature, it will say it has one turn of delay left. That means its next action will be the last time it does nothing. The computer then freezes it when it is able to do something. Doing what you're suggesting would actually lower the length of freeze/congeal, except that on the last turn they would attack but wouldn't activate abilities.

[MrBlonde]

I just played a game against an Fractal Squid (AI3) deck, and almost quit because the damn thing kept freezing my creatures on its turn right after it unfroze.

My suggestion is this:
Make the creatures attack after it unfreezes. Freeze is too strong in my opinion. The idea is to provide a good CC, not a complete shutdown, right?

Anyone agree with me?

I don't think it's too strong. It is a pretty pricey spell in itself (3 ) and squids only do 1 dmg and have only 2 health.  It is a great CC spell though. The only deck i've ever really had complaints about is my Squid/SoR/Rare weapon deck.

[twinsbuster]

so anything beat you and you don't like need to be nerf?

[godofdeath500]

so anything beat you and you don't like need to be nerf?

I don't think you guys know what i mean. All I am saying is that the creature should be able to attack on the same turn it thaws. That way, you still get some damage in before it is frozen again.

The way it is now, it doesn't allow you to attack until after it thaws and if the opponent has enough quanta to redo the spell, your frozen for thee or four more turns. 

All I'm suggesting is that you can attack the same turn it thaws.

[tallguy2241]

When going up against a Squid, I find there are 2 considerations:

1. Timing: If there is but 1 squid on the field, keep it busy. Flood it with creatures, eventually it will miss some.
2. Quanta: The squid's ability has a high quanta cost. Since the AI3 deck with squids also has dragons, it can actually be beneficial to have the squid activate, thus delaying the arrival of the dragons.

[Malduk]

so anything beat you and you don't like need to be nerf?

I don't think you guys know what i mean. All I am saying is that the creature should be able to attack on the same turn it thaws. That way, you still get some damage in before it is frozen again.

The way it is now, it doesn't allow you to attack until after it thaws and if the opponent has enough quanta to redo the spell, your frozen for thee or four more turns. 

All I'm suggesting is that you can attack the same turn it thaws.

The ONLY good thing about squids is that they are able to lock the board IF those squishy creatures manage to survive. Because they are so easy to clean off the board, they are not that insanely useful anyway. That "small" nerf you're suggesting would make squids just a pretty card to look at, and would make them rather unusable.

[Arondight]

It doesn't need a nerf.. Fractaling Squids is just annoying, not deadly.

[wizelsnarf]

It is pretty soft creature control compared to just killing the creature. Also, the way it works is that each time a creature attacks, it breaks off some more of the ice. (if a creature has adren it will break free in one turn). So when it unfreezes it ALREADY attacked.

[WhiteTigerShiro]

Not sure what color you're running, so I'll just run down the list:

:  Most of your hard hitters are immune to freeze (so obviously you aren't an Aether player).
:  Use Owl's Eye to destroy his squids.
:  Drain Life his squids.  You can also be sneaky and use Liquid Shadow on his squids.  He'll get a couple points of health back, but it'll kill the squid.
:  This color has more creature-destruction options than I'd care to list.
:  Earthquake his lands to make that 3-quanta cost all the more punishing.
:  Chaos Seed/Pandemonium to try and destroy his Squids.  Also, Discord will make it hard for him to want to keep casting.
:  Burn, burn, burn.
:  Gravity Pull his squids to burn them down.
:  As mentioned already, Adrenaline your creatures and they'll break-out much more quickly.
:  You should easily be able to out-last him until he decks-out.
:  Get your weapon out and start kicking his Squids back into his deck.
:  Try to farm-up a few squids and use them to lock-down his squids.

Also, I know that you're talking about a Fractal deck, and a lot of these are single-target.  The idea is to kill his Squids before he gets the Fractal out (because you know the AI isn't smart enough to hold a Squid in his hand on purpose so he can drop it and Fractal in one turn).  Also, a lot of these cases will let you out-last him while your weapon whittles him down, especially if you're using a shield that renders all the Squids useless for attack.

[edunavas]

There is a trhead specific for this problem.
Moderator, move it please