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Vampire Antimatter Creature Doesn't Affect Opponent's Bone Wall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51548.msg1101450#msg1101450
« on: October 08, 2013, 03:56:49 am »
Here's the scenario:

I was grinding bronze arena. I had a vampire dagger (not flying) and gargoyle with liquid shadow on it and the AI had bone wall with 4 counters left and used anti-matter on my gargoyle. Then when I end my turn and hit with the gargoyle, my opponent healed 7 points from the attack and I got hurt 7 points by my gargoyle. The bone wall only lost 1 counter due to the vampire dagger (so it was down to 3 now) and wasn't affected by my gargoyle. The very next turn though I destroyed his bone wall with my other 2 gargoyles I summoned plus the vampire dagger already out.

I understand the part where (when there's no shield) the opponent would heal and I would take damage when my vamp-gargoyle becomes anti-mattered, but what I don't understand from this is why wasn't the AI's bone wall affected in any way by my vamp-gargoyle after it was anti-mattered?

Not sure what to call it, a glitch or a bug, but something's definitely off here. That bone wall should have lost a counter from the gargoyle. The AI wasn't supposed to heal and I wasn't supposed to take damage. The whole attack was supposed to be blocked.


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Re: Vampire Antimatter Creature Doesn't Affect Opponent's Bone Wall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51548.msg1101452#msg1101452
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2013, 03:59:12 am »
if a creature's antimattered shields won't affect them. That applies to EVERY shield if I'm not wrong.

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Re: Vampire Antimatter Creature Doesn't Affect Opponent's Bone Wall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51548.msg1101457#msg1101457
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2013, 04:10:06 am »
if a creature's antimattered shields won't affect them. That applies to EVERY shield if I'm not wrong.
I think Gravity Shield, for some reason, blocks antimattered creatures, and there might be one or two others. Bone Wall does not, however.

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Re: Vampire Antimatter Creature Doesn't Affect Opponent's Bone Wall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51548.msg1101468#msg1101468
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2013, 04:35:56 am »
I think Wings block antimattered non-flying creatures too.
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Re: Vampire Antimatter Creature Doesn't Affect Opponent's Bone Wall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51548.msg1101469#msg1101469
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 04:41:43 am »
After all, some shields (like bonewall) block attacks, while others (wings and gravity) prevent attacks.

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Re: Vampire Antimatter Creature Doesn't Affect Opponent's Bone Wall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51548.msg1101499#msg1101499
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 08:01:26 am »
An antimattered creature is able to hit even through dim shield. And isn't affected by damage reduction shields at all. And not affected by dusk mantle either...
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Re: Vampire Antimatter Creature Doesn't Affect Opponent's Bone Wall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51548.msg1101506#msg1101506
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 09:39:11 am »
AM works like a mini-Momentum in that only Wings, Gravity Shield and Dimensional Shield will still block them (but Dims only if it's on your side, it's a known bug).
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Re: Vampire Antimatter Creature Doesn't Affect Opponent's Bone Wall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51548.msg1101611#msg1101611
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 06:34:10 pm »
Can someone make a list of the shields and tell the result when an antimatter creature attacks? That would be helpful to me..

like this:

-bone wall: no effect
-dim shield: no effect
-gravity shield: prevents attack

etc.

I think anti-matter needs to be consistent with whether or not it goes through shields. It should either go through all shields, or not go through any shields. For some shields like bone wall or dissipation shield, an anti-mattered creature could "add" a counter to the bone wall, or "give" the opp more entropy quanta if against their dissipation shield. That could make more sense... don't know what to think for fire shield though. Maybe the creature could gain 1 hp?


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Re: Vampire Antimatter Creature Doesn't Affect Opponent's Bone Wall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51548.msg1101620#msg1101620
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2013, 07:03:49 pm »
Dissipation Shield/Field: No effect
Skull shield: No effect
Bonewall: No effect
Gravity shield: Blocks creatures with more than 5HP
Thorn Carapace: No effect
Jade shield: No effect
Fire shield: No effect
Ice shield: No effect
Solar shield: No effect
Reflective shield: No effect
Hope: No effect
Fog shield: No effect
Wings: Blocks non-airborne creatures
Procrastination: No effect
Dusk mantle: No effect
Phase shield: No effect

Basically only wings and gravity shield i think.
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