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Yes, the game needs another/more high PvE content.
No, the game does NOT need more PvE content.
Lower chance to win a Nymph to 10%
Lower chance to win a Nymph to 5%
Lower chance to win a Nymph to 1%
Make the Ai7 Harder
Make the Ai7 Easier
Make the prizes won the next day during Oracle spin
Make a possible reward an upgraded card the next day at the Oracle
Make the Ai7 Unlock Quest harder
Have to beat x number of AiX to get a daily shot at Ai7

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Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026766#msg1026766
« on: December 30, 2012, 04:52:43 am »

The 7th Level - Satyrs

What is a Satyr?
A Satyr is the male equivolent to a Nymph. The Satyr level would be similar to fighting a False God, only slightly more challenging at a slightly better reward.

How would the 7th Level work?
After an optional quest of getting to 10,000 score, you unlock the 7th Level. Every day, you can fight the 7th Level only 5 times. Every time you win, you get ONE spin, with a 50% chance to win a Nymph based on that elemental Satyr. If you don't win a Nymph, you are guaranteed to win a single upgraded card. The Nymph, if you're lucky enough to win it, could even be upgraded (45% chance for unupgraded, 5% for upgraded).

Would it be possible to purchase entry to this fight?
No. The point of this is to be completely 100% not farmable.

Specifics (Subject to Changes):
:aether Phase Satyr - All creatures played are immortal. Uses Mono-Aether deck.
:air Flying Satry - All creatures played are Flying, weapons automatically fly. Uses Mono-Air.
:darkness Shadow Satyr - Nightfall is always in play. All creatures are vampiric. Uses Mono-Darkness.
:death Undead Satyr - Graveyard is always in play. Poison spells have double effect. Uses Mono-Death.
:earth Solid Satyr - All of his pillars are automatically protected, and produce double quanta. Uses Mono-Earth.
:entropy Chaotic Satyr - Randomly mutates (not improves) one of your creatures every turn. Uses Mono-Entropy.
:fire Raging Satyr - All creatures automatically gain 6 attack, and reduce to 1 health. Uses Mono-Fire.
:gravity Heavy Satyr - All creatures have momentum. All creatures gain +1|+1. Uses Mono-Gravity.
:life Natural Satyr - Heals +5 HP every turn. Starts with a protected Feral Bond. Uses Mono-Life.
:light Holy Satyr - Heals all creatures every 3 turns. Impervious to Darkness and Death spells. Uses a LOT of Miracles, and a Mono-Light.
:time Chronic Satyr - Draws 3 cards instead of 2 every turn (When possible). Impervious to Reverse Time. Uses Mono-Time.
:water King Satyr - Starts with 20 quanta in every element excluding water. Uses Mono-Water.
:rainbowSatyr - Has 300 health instead of 200. Uses a Rainbow deck. (Rewards random color Nymph).

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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026767#msg1026767
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2012, 05:01:05 am »
I'd play higher level AIs, even if they had no special reward, just for the challenge.  Five chances to win a nymph per day seems rather excessive, though, but I like the challenge part of the idea.

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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026768#msg1026768
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2012, 05:05:37 am »
I'd play higher level AIs, even if they had no special reward, just for the challenge.  Five chances to win a nymph per day seems rather excessive, though, but I like the challenge part of the idea.

Well its 5 spins, 50% each spin, and it's a harder battle than a False God.

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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026771#msg1026771
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2012, 05:28:10 am »
No, I meant the part about how you can make the attempt 5 times/day.  That seems like a lot of chances to get a nymph, even if small chances.

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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026772#msg1026772
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2012, 05:28:57 am »
Level 7 ai has been suggested in many forms. on-oracle chances to win nymphs has always been shot down. Also I dont particularly like the name. Are false gods really weaker than satyrs? I wouldnt say so. Im also pretty sure satyrs=/= male nymphs
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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026773#msg1026773
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2012, 05:35:10 am »
No, I meant the part about how you can make the attempt 5 times/day.  That seems like a lot of chances to get a nymph, even if small chances.

Yeah, but it's also a lot of chances to lost like 50  :electrum each battle xD

Level 7 ai has been suggested in many forms. on-oracle chances to win nymphs has always been shot down. Also I dont particularly like the name. Are false gods really weaker than satyrs? I wouldnt say so. Im also pretty sure satyrs=/= male nymphs

You're right, I'll fix it later (The name Satyr).

It should be as follows:
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Depending of where they resided, the Nymphs are as follows: Dryads (forests), Naiads (springs and rivers), Nereids (the Mediterranean), Oceanids (the sea) and Oreads (mountains), Limoniads (meadows), Limniads (lakes, marshes and swamps), Meliads (ash-trees), Epimeliads (protectors of sheep) and Napaea (valleys and glens). There are more categories of Nymphs, the names varying according to the ancient sources.

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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026813#msg1026813
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2012, 11:28:00 am »
No, I meant the part about how you can make the attempt 5 times/day.  That seems like a lot of chances to get a nymph, even if small chances.

Yeah, but it's also a lot of chances to lost like 50  :electrum each battle xD

The cost wouldn't matter, even if it's like 1500 per battle :P There are a handful of people with excessively high amounts of electrum who already have all the non-rare cards in the game (nothing more to buy/upgrade).
Let's say the chance to win at least 1 nymph each day is 10%. Seems about right?

Now, let's say we make an AI7 farmer that has a normalized 20% win-rate agains the AI7. Seems reasonable, considering RoL/Hope and Instosis can each pwn quite a few of these decks.
This means that you win at least once is 67.23%
and that the chance you win at least one nymph is 40.95%.

This means that your chance of winning at least one nymph during a given day has increased from 10% to 46.86%.
That's a big nerf on a rarity of nymphs.

I'd suggest that you'd make it so that a deck with a 50% win-rate has only a 10% chance to "win a nymph", and even then, it only gives you a nymph the next day for your oracle spin (or lets your oracle it then and there and delays your oracle spin for an extra day).

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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026849#msg1026849
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2012, 02:43:15 pm »
Pretty sure Zanz wants Nymphs to be not farmable, this idea won't have any chance tbh.
First, most of those decks dunno, seem weaker than FGs, mono of everything means that not every deck has PC, so you can easily beat those.
5 chances to play at 50% chance to get a Nymph if you win means that if you win all is 96%(!), which is pretty damn high for something that should not be farmable.
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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026890#msg1026890
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 06:58:56 pm »
Alright, I'm gonna add a poll to this idea, based on your suggestions thus far.

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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026911#msg1026911
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 08:39:21 pm »
Check your poll settings.

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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026916#msg1026916
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2012, 08:59:36 pm »
Check your poll settings.

Thank you, I fixed it.

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Re: Ai7 - Satyrs https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45503.msg1026948#msg1026948
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2012, 11:24:56 pm »
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Would it be possible to purchase entry to this fight?
No. The point of this is to be completely 100% not farmable.

5 tries daily, to get nymphs means 100% unfarmable ? Btw, better players have higher chances to get nymphs here. Are nymphs made for that ?
No. All players have the same daily chances to get a nymph. Do you know, what they are ?

It also seems that you haven´t thought about existing decks, when you made your suggestion. Instosis e.g beats  any Mono  :air :life :light :time or :water deck (soon unusable, though), Mono Aether laughs about  :air  :time  :water minimum.
Which winrates could you expect ? Games aren´t unwinnable just because the opponent uses a "cool" effect.

About high level content :
Is Platinum too easy for you ?

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