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Improve the Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46416.msg1037081#msg1037081
« on: January 31, 2013, 03:26:28 am »
Starter decks have 2 main purposes: Introducing each element's core cards and introducing the player to duo decks, without being bad enough to lose constantly against AI1.
About the Duo decks, the point is missed, as there are almost no synergies at all between the decks' elements. Here I comment some modification I would make and simple synergies I would introduce to the starter decks.


This are the actual starter decks:
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:aether
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4vh 4vi 4vj 4vk 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61p 61p 61p 61p 61q 61q 61q 61q 61r 61r 61r 61s 61s 61t 61v 8pu

 :air
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5od 5od 5od 5oe 5oe 5oe 5of 5og 5oh 5oh 5oh 5oi 5oj 5ok 5ok 5ok 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rh 5ri 5ri 5rk 8pr

 :darkness
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5un 5un 5un 5uo 5up 5up 5up 5uq 5us 5us 5us 61o 61o 61o 61o 61p 61q 61r 61s 8pt

 :death
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52i 52i 52i 52i 52j 52k 52k 52m 52m 52m 52n 52n 52o 52o 52p 52r 55k 55k 55k 55l 55n 55q 55r 8pk

 :earth
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58p 58p 58q 58r 58s 58t 58t 58u 58u 590 590 591 592 593 593 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bu 5c0 5c1 5c2 8pm

:entropy
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vg 4vh 4vh 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vk 4vk 4vk 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52i 52j 52k 52m 52m 52o 8pj

 :fire
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f1 5f1 5f1 5f1 5f2 5f3 5f3 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f5 5f6 5f6 5f8 5f8 5f9 5f9 5f9 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i6 5i7 5ia 8po

 :gravity
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55m 55m 55n 55n 55o 55p 55q 55q 55r 55r 55t 55t 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 58t 58t 590 592 8pl

 :life
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 :light
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l9 5l9 5la 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lc 5lc 5ld 5le 5le 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lg 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5od 5oe 5oh 5ok 8pq

 :time
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rh 5rh 5rh 5ri 5ri 5ri 5rj 5rk 5rk 5rl 5rl 5rm 5rn 5rn 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5um 5um 5un 5up 8ps

 :water
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Those are simple synergies I propose the starter decks should have:
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:aether That's quite fine, as it introduces immaterial creatures, Sparks, PU, Dim shield and CC.

 :air Should introduce a pair of Sky Blitz and those Fireflies lead to nothing (intentional?). Also, FFQ with no  :life makes me cry. Recomendation: Introduce Sky Blitz and make the duo with  :life. Fireflies can be kept if 1-2 Rustler are added too. To make some use of the Quantum Pillars, an Unstable Gas would fit well in the deck.

 :darkness Introduces Devourer, Steal, Dusk and Drain Life. Parasites, although, with no  :death quanta, are a joke. Recomendation: Duo with  :death

 :death Introduces Virus and every death trigger card, except Soul Catcher. Duo with Oty is a good choice, Kittens could be another option. Also, an Aflatoxin would be good for a starter deck.

 :earth Enchant Artefact, Plate Armor, Gnome Rider, Earthquake and Titanium Shield are well placed. Graboids aren't bad because of the Quantum Pillars, but  :life duo does nothing. I suggest making a duo with  :gravity and at least 1 Oty, to be played with the Plate Armors. Also, probably a Basilisk Blood and Armagio.

 :entropy Abomination, shield, Maxwell Demon, Chaos Seed and Mutation. I would keep the  :death duo but introducing Kittens and changing some of the  :death cards for boneyards. 1 Antimatter is another addition.

 :fire Introduces Fire Spirit, Immolation, Fire Shield, Fire Bolt, RoF and Deflag.  :water duo is pretty, yet I would introduce Steam Machine and probably Rage Potion.

 :gravity Introduces all the core cards except Black Hole, being all AI 0, 1 and 2 with lots of different pillars.  :earth duo is well picked, yet Basilisk Blook could come handy with Armagios and Otys (yes, Otys, remember they are AI 2 and less).

 :life Firest Scorpion, Mitosis and Adrenaline would fit to make the player get into the element. Also, I would change the duo to  :light to make some use of the Rustler other than the light generated by the quantum pillars.

 :light No much to say, only maybe adding a Luciferin.

 :time I think a Precognition should be added. Not much to say either.

 :water That duo with  :light doesn't have anything interesting. I would make it with  :death to make use of the Chrysaoras, or with  :aether to use a pair of Mind Flayers. Nymph Tears would also be a good card in the deck.

Yes, yes, the additions are mainly the cards introduced after the decks have been modified for the last time
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Re: Improve the Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46416.msg1037085#msg1037085
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 03:32:54 am »
First major note: in my opinion they should only be paired up twice, once as the starter element, and once as the starter supplementary element.
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Re: Improve the Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46416.msg1037095#msg1037095
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 03:55:11 am »
First major note: in my opinion they should only be paired up twice, once as the starter element, and once as the starter supplementary element.
I didn't get that. The recommendations for the duos are in each comment of the 2nd spoiler.
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Re: Improve the Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46416.msg1037097#msg1037097
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 03:59:59 am »
First major note: in my opinion they should only be paired up twice, once as the starter element, and once as the starter supplementary element.
I didn't get that. The recommendations for the duos are in each comment of the 2nd spoiler.

Each element only appears twice in the original starter decks.  To sustain such indifference to the elements, the newer set of starter decks should also do the same.
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Re: Improve the Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46416.msg1037122#msg1037122
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 05:21:08 am »
First major note: in my opinion they should only be paired up twice, once as the starter element, and once as the starter supplementary element.
I didn't get that. The recommendations for the duos are in each comment of the 2nd spoiler.
Each element only appears twice in the original starter decks.  To sustain such indifference to the elements, the newer set of starter decks should also do the same.
I don't see the point on making the elements appear only once as supportive.
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