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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1052180#msg1052180
« Reply #432 on: March 19, 2013, 04:03:42 am »
AI shouldn't discard GoTP to kill itself unless it has to. randomly decided to discard 5 in a row....
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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1052432#msg1052432
« Reply #433 on: March 20, 2013, 12:42:24 am »
AI4 played a normal Skeleton while I had a 1-shield in place.  The Skeleton just sat there until the end of the duel.  AI had no :time, so the Skeleton could not have been waiting for RT.
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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1052448#msg1052448
« Reply #434 on: March 20, 2013, 01:37:31 am »
AI4 played a normal Skeleton while I had a 1-shield in place.  The Skeleton just sat there until the end of the duel.  AI had no :time, so the Skeleton could not have been waiting for RT.

Is that necessarily an AI fault? How much room was on the board? If it was the only creature I had, I would say "let's do this!" and just use my skelly.

Also: AI pulls out Armagio. Next turn: Armagio uses Gravity Pull and then Catapults it. Waste of 1 :gravity :F
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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1052453#msg1052453
« Reply #435 on: March 20, 2013, 01:50:14 am »
AI4 played a normal Skeleton while I had a 1-shield in place.  The Skeleton just sat there until the end of the duel.  AI had no :time, so the Skeleton could not have been waiting for RT.

Is that necessarily an AI fault? How much room was on the board? If it was the only creature I had, I would say "let's do this!" and just use my skelly.

Also: AI pulls out Armagio. Next turn: Armagio uses Gravity Pull and then Catapults it. Waste of 1 :gravity :F
Only one other creature on the board before playing Skeleton.
I'm curious.  How would you "use" a 1-atk creature while your opponent has a 1-shield in place?  You're obviously not using the Skeleton to deal damage, so what benefit does it give you?
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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1052456#msg1052456
« Reply #436 on: March 20, 2013, 02:12:17 am »
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AI4 played a normal Skeleton while I had a 1-shield in place.  The Skeleton just sat there until the end of the duel.  AI had no :time, so the Skeleton could not have been waiting for RT.

Is that necessarily an AI fault? How much room was on the board? If it was the only creature I had, I would say "let's do this!" and just use my skelly.

Also: AI pulls out Armagio. Next turn: Armagio uses Gravity Pull and then Catapults it. Waste of 1 :gravity :F
Only one other creature on the board before playing Skeleton.
I'm curious.  How would you "use" a 1-atk creature while your opponent has a 1-shield in place?  You're obviously not using the Skeleton to deal damage, so what benefit does it give you?

It depends on the deck. Did he have :life quanta? (Bonds) Did he have :fire or :darkness quanta? (bye-bye shield) Did he have :entropy quanta? (Pandas or Chaos can make a RT) Did he have :gravity quanta? (Momentum, though it would be a stretch, maybe even Catapult) Did he have :water quanta? (Dry Spell usage) Did he have Luciferins to fuel Hope? Did he have :aether quanta? (Bonebolt if you are desperate)?

If none of these apply, then you have absolutely no benefit. If you do have one of these, then why not. Also, if I know I don't have enough creatures to fill the board, I would pull out a Skeleton just for fun.
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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1052457#msg1052457
« Reply #437 on: March 20, 2013, 02:24:32 am »
IIRC, he had some :darkness quanta, but none of the others you mentioned.  He lost the duel with the Skelly still on the board in its useless state.  While the "fun" argument is fine for you and other humans, it does nothing to explain why a computer, whose only motivation is logic, would play a Skeleton under such circumstances.

As for me, I withhold all creatures that cannot be effective at the moment they are played.  It makes them susceptible to CC while I'm waiting for them to become effective, meaning I potentially receive absolutely no benefit from the quanta spent to play them.  IMO, yes, that is a fault by the AI.
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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1052466#msg1052466
« Reply #438 on: March 20, 2013, 03:35:49 am »
It's more of the AI didn't see a reason to NOT play the Skeleton.  Sure there is a shield, but if not played, it would take up room in his hand.

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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1052468#msg1052468
« Reply #439 on: March 20, 2013, 03:43:04 am »
It's more of the AI didn't see a reason to NOT play the Skeleton.  Sure there is a shield, but if not played, it would take up room in his hand.

Also, if he didn't have any of those quantum, why WOULDN'T you want the Skeleton to get hit with CC?
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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1052482#msg1052482
« Reply #440 on: March 20, 2013, 04:19:10 am »
AI4 played a normal Skeleton while I had a 1-shield in place.  The Skeleton just sat there until the end of the duel.  AI had no :time, so the Skeleton could not have been waiting for RT.

I read the little discussion that followed your post.

In my point of view, the answer is simple: Did this cause any disadvantage to the AI or even made it lose? No. So there is no need to turn the AI into one with human capacities in order to eliminate the flaw you observed ;D
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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1053150#msg1053150
« Reply #441 on: March 22, 2013, 11:42:42 am »
The AI played a lone Scarab and exloded its Unstable Gas in the same turn. I know this affects AI's playing order.

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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1054284#msg1054284
« Reply #442 on: March 26, 2013, 01:58:18 am »
AI played Overdrive on my Elite Mummy, followed immediately by Acceleration in the same turn.

Edit:  In the same duel, AI played Overdrive on its own flying upgraded Titan, then played Acceleration on the Titan the following turn.
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Re: AI Improvements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30783.msg1054328#msg1054328
« Reply #443 on: March 26, 2013, 09:47:20 am »
AI grows his golem regardless of the fact that it's Quint+SoWed and I have a Reflective shield.
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