Post by: Marvaddin on July 12, 2011, 04:02:06 am
I have just created this thread to be a place where we can suggest minor card changes. There are some ideas already around the forum section, but this is supposed to be a thread where we can talk about them instead of creating new ones.
I will start (and later I intend to keep other people suggestions in this 1st post):
Ps: please dont suggest changes of casting cost. For these, use these:
Buff This Card! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,206.0.html)
Nerf This Card! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,208.0.html)
1) Gargoyle could be immune to Basilisk Blood. (Would receive +0/+20 with no delay. - TheManuz)
1.1) Stone form could remove airborne (ddevans96)
2) If attacker has creatures that inflict poison, like Puffer Fish or Flying Arsenic, poison should be inflicted to any gravity pulled creature on defender side.
2.1) Gravity pulled creature should also receive vampire status when attacked by vampire creature. (shmuck)
2.2) Gravity pulled creature should attract weapon damage (TheManuz)
3) Guardian Angel skill could damage undead creatures (shmuck)
4) Voodoo skill could be allowed to target a creature instead of just player. (shmuck)
5) Deja Vus created using Deja Vu skill could have a small chance of maintain that skill. (unit748596)
6) Mutation could use Vampire passive skill (Rutarete)
6.1) Mutation could produce Devonian Dragons and Immortals.
7) Spark could generate :aether upon death (ddevans96)
8.) Freeze could be able to target opponent and freeze his weapon (Xenocidius)
9) Crusader could change element to element of the weapon it endows (doublecross)
10) Devonian Dragon could lay Fate Egg (Jaxly)
11) Eclipse could have its effect decreased by RoLs in opponent field (Jaxly)
12) Upped Sundial could have cost of 1 generic quanta, to not interfere wit mulligan (Jaxly / Xenocidius).
13) Text in Discord card could explain its effect better (davidy22)
13.1) "Scramble up to 10 quanta" - text suggestion by OldTrees
14) Puffer Fish could have passive ability 'ranged', so its attack can go through Wings. (tikotribe)
15) Lycanthrope / Werewolf could change element to Darkness after using skill and receive effects from cards like Eclipse and Holy Light (Marvaddin)
Ok, lets Brainstorm. Maybe some little changes can become true if there is no much coding needed.
Post by: tyranim on July 12, 2011, 05:10:26 am
Post by: shmuck on July 12, 2011, 05:26:46 am
2) If attacker has creatures that inflict poison, like Puffer Fish or Flying Arsenic, poison should be inflicted to any gravity pulled creature on defender side.Vampires could spread vampirism the same way. Would act just like Liquid Shadow, but without the poison effect.
Maybe the Voodoo Dolls could be directable? So they're voodooing the other player by default, but they have a (possibly single use) ability that lets them voodoo a creature instead. Even if it were multi use it doesn't seem like that'd be overpowered.
Edit: For that matter, why don't Vampires heal themselves instead of you? Maybe any extra healing could run over to you. If you wanted to go really nuts, you could make it so the Angel's healing ability damages Vampires and other undead.
Post by: ddevans96 on July 12, 2011, 08:20:26 pm
Post by: TheManuz on July 12, 2011, 08:26:15 pm
Hi, all.Awesome! It should trigger the +0|+20 without dealying it.
I have just created this thread to be a place where we can suggest minor card changes. There are some ideas already around the forum section, but this is supposed to be a thread where we can talk about them instead of creating new ones.
I will start (and later I intend to keep other people suggestions in this 1st post):
1) Gargoyle could be immune to Basilisk Blood. Just sounds logical.
2) If attacker has creatures that inflict poison, like Puffer Fish or Flying Arsenic, poison should be inflicted to any gravity pulled creature on defender side.I agree with gravity pull too.
Also, why gravity pull doesn't attract weapons damage? Seems wrong to me.
Post by: Marvaddin on July 13, 2011, 02:06:48 am
I like a lot of some ideas, mainly Angel skill hurting undead.
Good job for 1st day. Lets continue the brainstorm! ::)
Post by: Rutarete on July 13, 2011, 02:24:46 am
Just my 2 :electrum, as they say.
I like what's been posted already :).
Post by: ddevans96 on July 13, 2011, 02:34:57 am
- Gargoyle: Stone form should remove airborne.
- Poison: Damage upon attack, not upon opponent's attack.
- Spark: Generate :aether upon death.
- Gravity Pull: Redirect venom effect.
- Schrodinger's Cat: Reset status upon use.
Post by: Onizuka on July 13, 2011, 02:44:54 am
Post by: ddevans96 on July 13, 2011, 02:52:00 am
Post by: davidy22 on July 14, 2011, 05:48:35 am
Hi, all.Most of those special cases should be added to the card text if they are implemented, to avoid unpleasant surprises when a player accidentally triggers the auxillary effects.
I have just created this thread to be a place where we can suggest minor card changes. There are some ideas already around the forum section, but this is supposed to be a thread where we can talk about them instead of creating new ones.
I will start (and later I intend to keep other people suggestions in this 1st post):
1) Gargoyle could be immune to Basilisk Blood. Just sounds logical. (Would receive +0/+20 with no delay. - TheManuz)
2) If attacker has creatures that inflict poison, like Puffer Fish or Flying Arsenic, poison should be inflicted to any gravity pulled creature on defender side.
2.1) Gravity pulled creature should also receive vampire status when attacked by vampire creature. (shmuck)
2.2) Gravity pulled creature should attract weapon damage (TheManuz)
3) Guardian Angel skill could damage undead creatures (shmuck)
4) Voodoo skill could be allowed to target a creature instead of just player. (shmuck)
5) Deja Vus created using Deja Vu skill could have a small chance of maintain that skill. (unit748596)
Ok, lets Brainstorm. Maybe some little changes can become true if there is no much coding needed.
It should be written somewhere on the crusader that activation gives +2 HP.
Post by: ddevans96 on July 14, 2011, 05:54:11 am
It should be written somewhere on the crusader that activation gives +2 HP.There already is.
Post by: Xenocidius on July 14, 2011, 06:22:58 am
Post by: Rutarete on July 14, 2011, 02:13:41 pm
Freeze should be able to target the opponent (to freeze their weapon). Or maybe the weapon itself, to prevent immaterial weapons being frozen.Now this suggestion I really like. :)
Post by: Marvaddin on July 15, 2011, 03:30:31 am
Add the Vampire passive to mutation and chaos seed.Add vampire to chaos seed? This doesnt make any sense to me, chaos seed is supposed to cause negative effects.
- Poison: Damage upon attack, not upon opponent's attack.Loved the spark suggestion :)
- Gravity Pull: Redirect venom effect.
- Schrodinger's Cat: Reset status upon use.
About these:
- Poison change is worthy suggesting, but this is not a card change. ::)
- Gravity Pull: let me see if I understand it well before including in the list. Im poisoned, then if I use Gravity Pull on one creature (mine or my opponent's), Im no more poisoned, and the poison counters are moved to that creature?
- Schrodinger's Car: Hmmm... let me see if Im correct about this too: if you use cat skill, it will lose any buffs amd debuffs it got, like a Blessing card played on it, or poison counters?
Very interesting ideas. Lets continue it :D
Post by: ddevans96 on July 15, 2011, 03:38:24 am
About these:How is changing the time poison comes into effect not a card change?
- Poison change is worthy suggesting, but this is not a card change. ::)
- Gravity Pull: let me see if I understand it well before including in the list. Im poisoned, then if I use Gravity Pull on one creature (mine or my opponent's), Im no more poisoned, and the poison counters are moved to that creature?
What I mean by my suggestion for gravity pull is that if a creature with venom attacks a creature with gravity pull, then the creature with gravity pull with be poisoned.
Post by: Xenocidius on July 15, 2011, 03:41:50 am
It would be pretty good added to Mutation as an ability though.Add the Vampire passive to mutation and chaos seed.Add vampire to chaos seed? This doesnt make any sense to me, chaos seed is supposed to cause negative effects.
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- Gravity Pull: let me see if I understand it well before including in the list. Im poisoned, then if I use Gravity Pull on one creature (mine or my opponent's), Im no more poisoned, and the poison counters are moved to that creature?I think he means that each time the venom creature attacks the creature with Gravity Pull that creature gains a poison counter.
EDIT: ddevans96 ninja-ed me.
Post by: doublecross on July 15, 2011, 03:54:35 am
This would add flavour, and some more strategy.
1) Endowing death or darkness weapons would make eclipse effect it
2) It would also effect the healing/damage situation for holy light
3) Cards keep getting proposed that look at element, and this would come into play if any of those are ever released
4) Nice cosmetic effect
Also, I think that fate egg should be added back into the list of creatures that can be generated by mutation
Post by: Xenocidius on July 15, 2011, 04:41:48 am
Post by: Jaxly on July 15, 2011, 11:51:14 am
Change upped sundial to cost one time quanta to play and no light quanta to draw a card.
At the moment it messes with your mulligan chance so its normally better to leave it unupped.
Reduce initial cost of grey nymph. Its currently 8 death quanta.
It costs the same to play alfatoxin with no turn delay or extra cost to use the ability.
Buff Druidic staff.
It heals 5 per turn and deals two damage as a rare card.
Its been outstripped by non rares and shards completely. It needs a buff.
Reduce mindgates initial cost.
Currently 5 quanta - change to 4.
To play mindgate seriously it needs to be out quickly. Less initial cost could help with that.
Turqoise nymph. Serious buff needed. Outstripped by anubis by far.
Costs 3 quanta to use ability with 8 quanta to play.
Grants immortality but with such a high aether cost is tough to use outside mono or duo aether decks - where many creatures are already immortal.
Reduce pharaohs initial cost.
Currently 9 quanta - reduce to 8.
Give devonian dragon ability : Lay fate egg
Eclipse vs. Rays of light - light needs a little buff and its good to be awesome vs dark.
Make eclipse grant 1 less attack for every two rays of light on the field.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28609.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28609.0.html)
This chaps idea is good imo.
Post by: Xenocidius on July 15, 2011, 02:47:14 pm
Change upped sundial to cost one time quanta to play and no light quanta to draw a card.I'd suggest making it cost 1 generic quanta. Doesn't screw up Auto-Mulligan but still works in decks without time.
At the moment it messes with your mulligan chance so its normally better to leave it unupped.
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Give devonian dragon ability : Lay fate eggAll dragons are vanilla creatures, with the possible exception of Phase Dragon (it doesn't really have an ability, more a status). They should stay that way.
Post by: ddevans96 on July 15, 2011, 04:35:48 pm
Post by: davidy22 on July 16, 2011, 03:11:54 am
There needs to be a standard for all the card texts. All the freeze effects should just called "freeze", with a number after them to denote duration. Congeal is essentially the same as freeze, and redundant.
Discord needs more detail. Scramble quanta? Scramble how many quanta?
Post by: OldTrees on July 16, 2011, 04:19:10 am
Little card changes can mean anything. Costs included.Costs are not little. +/- 1 :life casting cost is worth of a thread and requires a reasonable argument with much peer review.
There needs to be a standard for all the card texts. All the freeze effects should just called "freeze", with a number after them to denote duration. Congeal is essentially the same as freeze, and redundant.
Discord needs more detail. Scramble quanta? Scramble how many quanta?
I disagree about freeze. I think it is more pleasing to have Freeze/Congeal than Freeze 3/Freeze 4. If a Freeze 2 effect is added I may change my mind.
Discord drains up to 10 :rainbow then generates an equal amount of :rainbow. "Scramble up to 10 quanta" would work.
Post by: Jaxly on July 17, 2011, 11:14:17 pm
Apologies
Post by: OldTrees on July 18, 2011, 03:41:09 am
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.You did not offend.
Apologies
Post by: Tiko on July 18, 2011, 05:52:15 am
Quote from: Kuroaitou
The Toadfish can shoot a nasty barb at a creature (Inflate) with one poison counter provided a little quanta, which often serves as a slow but nifty form of CC for the Water element. Puffer Fish instead ignores dealing with creatures, and applies the poison directly to the player upon a successful attack.At least that's how I imagine.
Post by: Marvaddin on July 18, 2011, 02:19:00 pm
Changing time poison comes into effect is more like changing a game mechanics, it will in fact affect several cards: Puffer Fish, Arsenic, Physalia, Poison (Catapult + poisoned creatures... etc).About these:How is changing the time poison comes into effect not a card change?
- Poison change is worthy suggesting, but this is not a card change. ::)
- Gravity Pull: let me see if I understand it well before including in the list. Im poisoned, then if I use Gravity Pull on one creature (mine or my opponent's), Im no more poisoned, and the poison counters are moved to that creature?
What I mean by my suggestion for gravity pull is that if a creature with venom attacks a creature with gravity pull, then the creature with gravity pull with be poisoned.
I suppose the gravity pull change is already in post #1 (I suggested it in thread start). If your suggestion is different, please explain.
Also, I think that fate egg should be added back into the list of creatures that can be generated by mutationIs there a reason to this? Because I think an egg usually dont fit the theme of the skills. Egg with endow? lol. But I agree there is no reason for Devonian Dragon and Immortal not being in the list.
The reason for Phase Dragon having immortal is no other than how easy was to aether to produce low cost dragons using PU. Dragons are really intended to be vanillas. But I took note of the suggestion, its interesting. However, I would Like a new card created with this skill.Change upped sundial to cost one time quanta to play and no light quanta to draw a card.I'd suggest making it cost 1 generic quanta. Doesn't screw up Auto-Mulligan but still works in decks without time.
At the moment it messes with your mulligan chance so its normally better to leave it unupped.QuoteGive devonian dragon ability : Lay fate eggAll dragons are vanilla creatures, with the possible exception of Phase Dragon (it doesn't really have an ability, more a status). They should stay that way.
Sundial at no cost to draw? And eliminate the time - light interaction? I doubt this will happen. But changing Sundial cost from 0 to 1 is something I would like :D
Little card changes can mean anything. Costs included.For cost changes, please use the "buff card" or "nerf card" section.
There needs to be a standard for all the card texts. All the freeze effects should just called "freeze", with a number after them to denote duration. Congeal is essentially the same as freeze, and redundant.
Discord needs more detail. Scramble quanta? Scramble how many quanta?
Congeal is just the card name, its text uses "freeze target creature for 4 turns". Its already freeze with a number, lol. I think the card name is ok to be different, dont you?
Took note of Discord suggestion :)
Good suggestions! Lets continue it :D
Post by: Ashebrethafe on July 18, 2011, 06:29:10 pm
Congeal is just the card name, its text uses "freeze target creature for 4 turns". Its already freeze with a number, lol. I think the card name is ok to be different, dont you?It's not just the card name -- Arctic Octopus's ability is listed as "Congeal the target creature," and a player wouldn't necessarily see a Congeal card before they saw an Arctic Octopus card. There's enough room to write "Freeze the target creature for 3 turns" on the Squid and "Freeze the target creature for 4 turns" on the Octopus.
Post by: davidy22 on July 19, 2011, 03:35:55 am
And congeal is essentially freeze with a fancy name. Why confuse people?
Post by: OldTrees on July 19, 2011, 03:53:01 am
And congeal is essentially freeze with a fancy name. Why confuse people?Congeal is the Upgraded Freeze Spell. Arctic Squid|Octopus casts the Freeze|Congeal spell. That is why. Should it be?
Post by: davidy22 on July 19, 2011, 10:42:34 am
Congealed creatures still get instakilled by shockwave, even though shockwave only states that it shatters frozen creatures. It's the same ability, with a different duration.And congeal is essentially freeze with a fancy name. Why confuse people?Congeal is the Upgraded Freeze Spell. Arctic Squid|Octopus casts the Freeze|Congeal spell. That is why. Should it be?
Shatter needs to changed to killed. It isn't immediately clear that it's and instakill.
Post by: Nepycros on July 19, 2011, 11:13:16 am
Both Freeze and Congeal cause the target to enter a frozen status. It's not the card that matters, when determining Shockwave. It's the current status of the creature. Congeal is simply putting a creature under a status for a longer duration.Congealed creatures still get instakilled by shockwave, even though shockwave only states that it shatters frozen creatures. It's the same ability, with a different duration.And congeal is essentially freeze with a fancy name. Why confuse people?Congeal is the Upgraded Freeze Spell. Arctic Squid|Octopus casts the Freeze|Congeal spell. That is why. Should it be?
Shatter needs to changed to killed. It isn't immediately clear that it's and instakill.
Post by: artimies7 on July 19, 2011, 12:31:38 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on July 19, 2011, 09:32:33 pm
Changing time poison comes into effect is more like changing a game mechanics, it will in fact affect several cards: Puffer Fish, Arsenic, Physalia, Poison (Catapult + poisoned creatures... etc).You asked for card changes, what I suggested for poison changes cards.
I suppose the gravity pull change is already in post #1 (I suggested it in thread start). If your suggestion is different, please explain.
What you suggested for gravity pull was different in the original post. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered saying that.
Post by: davidy22 on July 20, 2011, 03:30:24 am
But nowhere on the congeal effect does it say congeal is equivalent to a 4 turn freeze. Yet congeal behaves like one, which makes cards like shockwave confused and ambiguousBoth Freeze and Congeal cause the target to enter a frozen status. It's not the card that matters, when determining Shockwave. It's the current status of the creature. Congeal is simply putting a creature under a status for a longer duration.Congealed creatures still get instakilled by shockwave, even though shockwave only states that it shatters frozen creatures. It's the same ability, with a different duration.And congeal is essentially freeze with a fancy name. Why confuse people?Congeal is the Upgraded Freeze Spell. Arctic Squid|Octopus casts the Freeze|Congeal spell. That is why. Should it be?
Shatter needs to changed to killed. It isn't immediately clear that it's and instakill.
Post by: Nepycros on July 20, 2011, 03:37:09 am
Deadly Poison doesn't say it's just Poison 2.But nowhere on the congeal effect does it say congeal is equivalent to a 4 turn freeze. Yet congeal behaves like one, which makes cards like shockwave confused and ambiguousBoth Freeze and Congeal cause the target to enter a frozen status. It's not the card that matters, when determining Shockwave. It's the current status of the creature. Congeal is simply putting a creature under a status for a longer duration.Congealed creatures still get instakilled by shockwave, even though shockwave only states that it shatters frozen creatures. It's the same ability, with a different duration.And congeal is essentially freeze with a fancy name. Why confuse people?Congeal is the Upgraded Freeze Spell. Arctic Squid|Octopus casts the Freeze|Congeal spell. That is why. Should it be?
Shatter needs to changed to killed. It isn't immediately clear that it's and instakill.
Post by: davidy22 on July 20, 2011, 03:49:45 am
I'm not arguing for the format [ability name] [number]. I'm arguing for a standard format, and a standard naming system. Some of the current cards are not perfect examples of grammar either.
Post by: OldTrees on July 20, 2011, 04:00:21 am
'When a creature has a skill that acts identical to a spell it will reference the spell.'
Arctic Octopus Congeals target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts the Congeal spell at the target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts "Freeze the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills" at the target creature
-> Arctic Octopus freezes the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills.
This is a card reference based Keyword.
Post by: davidy22 on July 20, 2011, 09:55:39 am
Arctic Octopus does follow the current standard form:That's how the ability works. The way it is presented to the player is in the form of two abilities, "freeze" and the more powerful "congeal", which means dry up. The two words don't mean nearly the same thing, yet they both trigger the shockwave secondary effect.
'When a creature has a skill that acts identical to a spell it will reference the spell.'
Arctic Octopus Congeals target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts the Congeal spell at the target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts "Freeze the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills" at the target creature
-> Arctic Octopus freezes the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills.
This is a card reference based Keyword.
Post by: Jaxly on July 20, 2011, 02:40:31 pm
A shock-wave would not shatter a liquid or gelatinous body.
A shock-wave might shatter a solid body.
Post by: OldTrees on July 20, 2011, 03:45:48 pm
The way it is presented to the player is in the form of 4 cards Freeze|Congeal (common) and Arctic Squid|Arctic Octopus (rare)Arctic Octopus does follow the current standard form:That's how the ability works. The way it is presented to the player is in the form of two abilities, "freeze" and the more powerful "congeal", which means dry up. The two words don't mean nearly the same thing, yet they both trigger the shockwave secondary effect.
'When a creature has a skill that acts identical to a spell it will reference the spell.'
Arctic Octopus Congeals target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts the Congeal spell at the target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts "Freeze the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills" at the target creature
-> Arctic Octopus freezes the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills.
This is a card reference based Keyword.
The Rare card references the effect of the Common spell card by name.
Post by: davidy22 on July 21, 2011, 08:37:32 am
The way it is presented to the player is in the form of 4 cards Freeze|Congeal (common) and Arctic Squid|Arctic Octopus (rare)That still means there are two different names for the same ability. We agree that there are two different names, I'd like to argue that it's not a good thing.
The Rare card references the effect of the Common spell card by name.
It isn't immediately clear that the spell shockwave also refers to the congeal effect too.
Both freeze and congeal mean to solidify something. The means by which they do it are different.Freeze means to solidify. Congeal means to remove the liquid from an emulsion.
A shock-wave would not shatter a liquid or gelatinous body.
A shock-wave might shatter a solid body.
A shock-wave of said liquid could shatter a liquid at the molecular level if it traveled at the liquid's natural frequency.
They are not the same thing.
Post by: OldTrees on July 21, 2011, 01:53:35 pm
It is not the same abilityThe way it is presented to the player is in the form of 4 cards Freeze|Congeal (common) and Arctic Squid|Arctic Octopus (rare)That still means there are two different names for the same ability. We agree that there are two different names, I'd like to argue that it's not a good thing.
The Rare card references the effect of the Common spell card by name.
It isn't immediately clear that the spell shockwave also refers to the congeal effect too.
Arctic Squid has the ability "Trigger the unupped version of Freeze|Congeal." Hence the ability is named "Freeze".
Arctic Octopus has the ability "Trigger the upgraded version of Freeze|Congeal." Hence the ability is named "Congeal".
Imagine a hypothetical card that "Trigger the unupped|upgraded version of Immolation|Cremation.". It would have the ability named "Immolate"|"Cremate".
If someone has an Arctic Octopus I am fairly certain they know of the Congeal spell. (Upgraded Commons are more well known than Upgraded Rares in the same element.)
Post by: davidy22 on July 24, 2011, 04:58:45 am
The side effects of the abilities are the same, and so two different names are not needed. They behave the same way, so they two abilities should have the same name.
Post by: OldTrees on July 24, 2011, 11:46:08 pm
Target a card to activate the ability? I'm sure zanzarino knows how to use classes better than that.I did not claim the ability targeted the Freeze|Congeal card. (If I was careless with my wording, I apologize) I did mention that the Ability was named Freeze|Congeal because it calls the same function as Freeze|Congeal does. This means the player can reference the Freeze|Congeal spell instead of including unnecessary reminder text.
The side effects of the abilities are the same, and so two different names are not needed. They behave the same way, so they two abilities should have the same name.
":water :water: Congeal" provides all the same information that ":water :water :Freeze target creature for 4 turns." and takes significantly less space.
Post by: davidy22 on July 25, 2011, 12:50:40 am
Bah.Target a card to activate the ability? I'm sure zanzarino knows how to use classes better than that.I did not claim the ability targeted the Freeze|Congeal card. (If I was careless with my wording, I apologize) I did mention that the Ability was named Freeze|Congeal because it calls the same function as Freeze|Congeal does. This means the player can reference the Freeze|Congeal spell instead of including unnecessary reminder text.
The side effects of the abilities are the same, and so two different names are not needed. They behave the same way, so they two abilities should have the same name.
":water :water: Congeal" provides all the same information that ":water :water :Freeze target creature for 4 turns." and takes significantly less space.
The cards need a redesign, making cards is frustrating with the tiny amount of text you can fit on them.
The adrenaline card should have a printed formula describing how many times it makes cards attack.
Post by: Marvaddin on July 29, 2011, 07:45:25 pm
One thing I've thought of: Owl's Eye being able to target the opponent's HP directly.Doesnt it already attack the opponent HP directly? I think the skill is supposed to be CC only, or the damage could be increased instead.
What you suggested for gravity pull was different in the original post. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered saying that.Can you explain the difference please?
I'm not arguing for the format [ability name] [number]. I'm arguing for a standard format, and a standard naming system. Some of the current cards are not perfect examples of grammar either.Yeah, some cards can have a different text to make it clear. Chrysaora is a good example. The skill could be something like "add a poison counter to opponent".
But there is an standard system, like OldTrees explained:
Arctic Squid has the ability "Trigger the unupped version of Freeze|Congeal." Hence the ability is named "Freeze".
Arctic Octopus has the ability "Trigger the upgraded version of Freeze|Congeal." Hence the ability is named "Congeal".
You know, cards text box is small, so I agree with the reference system. For example: scarab doesnt have an explanation about the devour skill, but its present in Otyugh, so its ok. Next time a creature have endow, it doesnt need repeat the text (its in crusader card) and can use text to explain another passive skill, for example. So, you always need some knowledge around the cards at all. If you have it, cards like Shockwave are not ambiguous, you know freeze and congeal are the same status, with different duration.
Well, well...
Another little change I would like to sugest: lycans could turn Darkness (and get bonus from Eclipse / damage from Holy Flash) after the skill is used.
Lets continue it, I will update it in some time :)
Post by: ddevans96 on July 29, 2011, 07:58:46 pm
Post by: Marvaddin on July 29, 2011, 08:23:37 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on July 29, 2011, 11:03:52 pm
2) If attacker has creatures that inflict poison, like Puffer Fish or Flying Arsenic, poison should be inflicted to any gravity pulled creature on defender side.My point is this is not what was in the original post. I wouldn't have made my comment otherwise. I don't see how we're still arguing about this.
Post by: bioglond on July 31, 2011, 04:23:01 pm
Freeze effect should have a chance to kill fire creature instantly.
Post by: davidy22 on August 01, 2011, 03:19:28 am
Post by: OldTrees on August 01, 2011, 03:24:36 am
Skull buckler's card text should state the percentage chance of it killing a creature. A "small chance" could be anywhere from 1% to 10%.(50/hp)% tends to be more confusing than a "small chance"
Post by: davidy22 on August 01, 2011, 04:21:09 am
It's also a great deal less ambiguous. I don't want to form my strategies on the basis of guesswork or the wiki I have open in the other screen.Skull buckler's card text should state the percentage chance of it killing a creature. A "small chance" could be anywhere from 1% to 10%.(50/hp)% tends to be more confusing than a "small chance"
It doesn't have to be written that way either. 50/creature's HP% is easily better than (50/hp)%.
Post by: OldTrees on August 01, 2011, 05:32:31 am
I agree "50/creature's HP%" is an improvementIt's also a great deal less ambiguous. I don't want to form my strategies on the basis of guesswork or the wiki I have open in the other screen.Skull buckler's card text should state the percentage chance of it killing a creature. A "small chance" could be anywhere from 1% to 10%.(50/hp)% tends to be more confusing than a "small chance"
It doesn't have to be written that way either. 50/creature's HP% is easily better than (50/hp)%.
Post by: SnoWeb on August 01, 2011, 11:38:32 am
2) If attacker has creatures that inflict poison, like Puffer Fish or Flying Arsenic, poison should be inflicted to any gravity pulled creature on defender side.2 and 2.2 make a lot of sense to me. 3, 12 and 15 would be the perfect little buff (not game changing but still good) those cards would need (15 in particular).
2.2) Gravity pulled creature should attract weapon damage (TheManuz)
3) Guardian Angel skill could damage undead creatures (shmuck)
8.) Freeze could be able to target opponent and freeze his weapon (Xenocidius)
12) Upped Sundial could have cost of 1 generic quanta, to not interfere wit mulligan (Jaxly / Xenocidius).
15) Lycanthrope / Werewolf could change element to Darkness after using skill and receive effects from cards like Eclipse and Holy Light (Marvaddin)
8 makes sense and would give water the PC it needs. Moreover, I think lightning, shock-wave and then freeze should be refelected by reflective and jade shields. However, I don't think squid should be affected by these changes.
My suggestions:
- Shard of readiness should be able to target permanents.
- Heal should be reflected by mirror and jade shields.
- Weapon should be affected by turtle shield (as they are by dusk and fog).
Post by: Atico on August 01, 2011, 12:01:53 pm
This simply change make Aflatoxin more useful (the same Death Nymph). Today having more than 2-3 Aflatoxin (or Death Nymphs) in deck have a no big sense when opponent has got all field with Cells. After this change having Nymph will be good. Now putting Death Nymph on table is no profitable, because it cost 9 :death + 1 for skill and You must stay one turn. Aflatoxin as spell is cheaper and faster...
Post by: maverixk on August 10, 2011, 01:47:21 am
Post by: Jaxly on August 17, 2011, 11:58:16 pm
Cool, I learned something :DI agree "50/creature's HP%" is an improvementIt's also a great deal less ambiguous. I don't want to form my strategies on the basis of guesswork or the wiki I have open in the other screen.Skull buckler's card text should state the percentage chance of it killing a creature. A "small chance" could be anywhere from 1% to 10%.(50/hp)% tends to be more confusing than a "small chance"
It doesn't have to be written that way either. 50/creature's HP% is easily better than (50/hp)%.
Thanks
Post by: Filly678 on August 19, 2011, 09:41:53 pm
Post by: maverixk on August 19, 2011, 10:06:22 pm
Rain of Fire, Firestorm, Fire Bolt and Fire Lance should be able to unfreeze frozen creatures.And maybe rage potion. (assuming they survive, of course.)
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on August 19, 2011, 11:58:31 pm
Post by: artimies7 on August 20, 2011, 12:39:19 am
AoE spells (Rain of Fire, Thunderstorm, Plague, etc...) should give you the option to hit your own field. Situational, but helpful in times where you need to manage your own field's creatures. (Especially if a Malignant Cell hits the field)YESH. I DOEZ AGREE. I hates the Malignant Cells.
Post by: Xenocidius on September 10, 2011, 08:01:57 am
Post by: dragonsdemesne on September 10, 2011, 08:16:24 am
Post by: TheManuz on September 10, 2011, 10:51:05 am
Unstable Gas should ignite when targeted by Deflagration | Explosion.
Ghost of the Past should have airborne.Totally agree on these 2!
Post by: ffun on September 12, 2011, 07:41:42 pm
Post by: Xenocidius on September 17, 2011, 10:22:52 am
Post by: furballdn on September 18, 2011, 03:29:08 am
Air Nymph (upgraded Blue Nymph) should generate upgraded Unstable Gases.What's the difference when the unstable gas hits the field (besides cosmetic reasons)?
Post by: Xenocidius on September 18, 2011, 07:37:46 am
No difference for now, but it's just prettier and makes sense.Air Nymph (upgraded Blue Nymph) should generate upgraded Unstable Gases.What's the difference when the unstable gas hits the field (besides cosmetic reasons)?
Post by: furballdn on September 18, 2011, 10:38:53 pm
Post by: artimies7 on September 21, 2011, 01:03:27 am
Air Nymph (upgraded Blue Nymph) should generate upgraded Unstable Gases.It doesn't already? This seems like just a bug, when you think about it.
Post by: Xenocidius on September 21, 2011, 07:46:02 am
Post by: artimies7 on September 21, 2011, 08:18:17 pm
//mindbreaking
Post by: OldTrees on September 21, 2011, 08:47:15 pm
Shouldn't that change when upgraded, though? Upped summoner generates upped card?I agree. When this becomes mechanically relevant (A reverse time effect for permanents) it will be brought up and addressed.
//mindbreaking
Post by: furballdn on September 22, 2011, 12:05:30 am
Post by: silux on September 29, 2011, 01:08:05 pm
If a creature has "dive", it should loose that ability when targeted by "web".Or maybe suffer damage from the impact!
Post by: Lord_Jadem on September 29, 2011, 11:46:53 pm
I also think spiders should be given venom ability instead of web. Web is practically useless in current game. Wings isn't even in same element as any of the spiders. Until there is a spell that does damage to all non-airborne in a more useful manner, Web isn't worth much. Or perhaps web could be changed to incapacitate small creatures ( Strength+hp <4) for 3 rounds.
Flooding should not effect airborn creatures.
Dragons should have breath weapons. As they currently exist they would be better represented by large Golems for each element
Light
3 - Healing Breath - heal all your creates by 3hp
Dark
3 - Breath of Darkness - Your creatures and permanents are invisible for 1 turn.
Fire
3 - Fire Breath - Deal 4 damage to target.
Entropy
3 - Chaos Breath - Target creature turns into mutant.
Death
3 - Breath of Undeath - Target creature takes 2 damage. If it would die it becomes a Skeleton
or
5 - Poison Breath - All opponents creatures become poisoned
Life
3 - Breath of Growth - All your creatures gain +0/+1
Time
3 - Target creature goes bank into owner's deck
Aether
3- Lightning Breath - Target takes 4 damage.
Gravity
3 - Gravity Breath - Target creature becomes too heavy to act (delayed) next turn. If airborn also takes 2 damage (fall)
Earth
3 - Stone Breath - Target creature takes 2 damage with small chance of petrification
or
3 - Stone Breath - Target creature becomes stoned and does nothing but eat chips for next 6 rounds (delayed) :D
Air
3 - Gale Wind Breath - All opponents creatures takes 2 damage unless airborn
or
2 - Fog Breath - Opponents creatures have 40% chance to miss you this turn
Water
3- Frost Breath - Target takes 2 damage and has chance of freezing.
I know. Not a 'little change'. So sue me. :)
Discord should only do conversion if it does damage. It seems like a result of hit ability to me like Vampire Dagger and Arsenic and it does enough damage to bypass most shields anyway.
Shrodenger's cat should have percent chance to fail to produce result. It's a cat. Ever try to train one?
Vultures should not gain in size when skeletons, sparks, photons, golems, virus, animated weapons, spirits, ghosts, steam machines, or voodoo dolls die. What are they eating? Should gain double when dragons and other large creatures die. I am not advicating this be changed, I am just saying. :)
If Voodoo doll is given momentum/adrenaline it should affect opponent's weapon. If mutated, weapon should randomly change to other weapon.
If you protect a cloak, you should be shot.
Any creature that misses attack due to fog shield should be delayed for 1 turn (lost in fog).
Anything shot by Owl's Eye should be eaten, because otherwise hunting is just wrong. :)
Reflective shield should reduce one damage as emerald shield does.
Fog shield should be renamed Wind Shield, because it would just be funnier.
OK. Sorry. Some of these are just jokes. Sue me. I will provide lawyer contact information upon request.
Post by: furballdn on September 30, 2011, 12:04:54 am
Venemous spiders would be OP. So would the idea of incapacitating creatures. It'd be like an actic squid with decent stats.
Dragons should stay vanilla creatures.
Your idea about the voodoo doll effects and the weapons are interesting.
Something shot by an owl's eye can very likely be devoured
Reflective shield does block one damage when upped IIRC.
missing and then delayed fog shield would be way too OP.
Post by: Xenocidius on October 09, 2011, 05:22:42 am
Post by: furballdn on October 09, 2011, 05:48:35 am
It's probably been suggested, but the ability Lycanthropy should instantly be activated on any creatures that have it if there's a Nightfall or Eclipse in play.Maybe lycanthrope should also get the boost from nightfall?
Oh, and here's just a quick deck I threw together based on your idea if lycanthropes get the free boost in eclipse
Post by: Eleahen on January 10, 2012, 06:50:48 pm
- Adrenaline status could be inherited via Crusaders' endow ability from flying weapons with adrenal status (as Momentum).
- Adrenaline could be removed via lobotomize (as Momentum).
Post by: OldTrees on January 10, 2012, 06:58:17 pm
It might be nice if:Adrenaline is not a skill. Momentum is both a skill and a status.
- Adrenaline status could be inherited via Crusaders' endow ability from flying weapons with adrenal status (as Momentum).
- Adrenaline could be removed via lobotomize (as Momentum).
Post by: Eleahen on January 10, 2012, 08:55:05 pm
"It would be nice if Adrenaline would be both a skill and a status like Momentum."
Post by: OldTrees on January 10, 2012, 10:23:16 pm
Then, I guess, the way to correctly put my suggestion would be:Why would it be nice? Is there no place for beneficial status effects that are not also skills?
"It would be nice if Adrenaline would be both a skill and a status like Momentum."
Post by: Eleahen on January 11, 2012, 02:44:41 am
Why would it be nice?1) Using Crusaders' "endow" ability on Momentumed weapons gives them Momentum. Endowing Adrenalined weapons doesn't give Adrenaline.
2) Probably counter-intuitive for new players. Momentum can be lobotomized, Adrenaline - can't.
Is there no place for beneficial status effects that are not also skills?Interesting question.
Ideally - yes, there should be. For visual consistency - probably no.
Post by: OldTrees on January 11, 2012, 03:17:21 am
Please expand:Why would it be nice?1) Using Crusaders' "endow" ability on Momentumed weapons gives them Momentum. Endowing Adrenalined weapons doesn't give Adrenaline.
2) Probably counter-intuitive for new players. Momentum can be lobotomized, Adrenaline - can't.Is there no place for beneficial status effects that are not also skills?Interesting question.
Ideally - yes, there should be. For visual consistency - probably no.
1) 1 more endowable ability is not that significant
2) adrenaline is careful not to imply it is a skill
3) What do you mean by visual consistency? You probably are referring to the status marker similar to infection and gravity pull.
Post by: Eleahen on January 11, 2012, 03:22:00 am
Please expand:That's why it's in the "little card changes" topic.
1) 1 more endowable ability is not that significant
It seemed inconsistant for me for a long while.
2) adrenaline is careful not to imply it is a skillWhy not?
3) What do you mean by visual consistency? You probably are referring to the status marker similar to infection and gravity pull.Gravity pull, immortality, adrenaline, momentum - all these share similar status markers.
Poison counters are different in size.
Post by: OldTrees on January 11, 2012, 04:59:37 am
Why does Adrenaline not imply it is a skill?Please expand:That's why it's in the "little card changes" topic.
1) 1 more endowable ability is not that significant
It seemed inconsistant for me for a long while.2) adrenaline is careful not to imply it is a skillWhy not?3) What do you mean by visual consistency? You probably are referring to the status marker similar to infection and gravity pull.Gravity pull, immortality, adrenaline, momentum - all these share similar status markers.
Poison counters are different in size.
1) Because it is not a skill
2) It does not refer to the word skill
3) It does not appear as a skill on any card (unlike Charger or Immortal)
Infection, Gravity Pull, Immaterial, Adrenaline and Momentum are all status effects and have status markers because they are status effects that did not have an easy Freeze or Delay graphic.
The only reason Momentum differs from Gravity Pull, Adrenaline and Infection is that Charger introduced momentum as a skill in addition to it being a status effect.
In terms of visual consistency Momentum is abnormal.
Post by: Eleahen on January 11, 2012, 10:17:51 am
The only reason Momentum differs from Gravity Pull, Adrenaline and Infection is that Charger introduced momentum as a skill in addition to it being a status effect.I agree.
In terms of visual consistency Momentum is abnormal.
However out of the four it's the Momentum that you see most frequently which, imo, makes it normal and the rest abnormal.
In turn this leads to Adrenaline status being abnormal as you cant target Immaterial creature and I don't think I ever tried to lobo a Grav Pull.
Post by: Naesala on January 11, 2012, 03:18:07 pm
Post by: OldTrees on January 11, 2012, 05:22:38 pm
Lobotomizing Infection or Gravity Pull is impossible and would not make sense if it were possible.The only reason Momentum differs from Gravity Pull, Adrenaline and Infection is that Charger introduced momentum as a skill in addition to it being a status effect.I agree.
In terms of visual consistency Momentum is abnormal.
However out of the four it's the Momentum that you see most frequently which, imo, makes it normal and the rest abnormal.
In turn this leads to Adrenaline status being abnormal as you cant target Immaterial creature and I don't think I ever tried to lobo a Grav Pull.
This leads to other statuses being impossible to lobotomize.
Momentum was already a skill and people found the lobotomy counter to be well worth the confusion.
(I see infection and gravity pull more often than momentum.)
Post by: Eleahen on January 11, 2012, 05:53:00 pm
Yes, there are statuses and there are skills. Yes, they are different.
My suggestion is - from gameplay pov it makes sense to me that Adrenaline could be a skill in addition to it being a status.
Post by: Zergva on August 11, 2013, 07:25:46 pm
-If Rewind cast on hatched creature, it should came back to Fate egg.
Post by: serprex on August 11, 2013, 08:05:44 pm
:rainbow should expend quanta with proportional probability