A Topic to suggest little card changes.

[Nepycros]

And congeal is essentially freeze with a fancy name. Why confuse people?

Congeal is the Upgraded Freeze Spell. Arctic Squid|Octopus casts the Freeze|Congeal spell. That is why. Should it be?

Congealed creatures still get instakilled by shockwave, even though shockwave only states that it shatters frozen creatures. It's the same ability, with a different duration.

Shatter needs to changed to killed. It isn't immediately clear that it's and instakill.

Both Freeze and Congeal cause the target to enter a frozen status. It's not the card that matters, when determining Shockwave. It's the current status of the creature. Congeal is simply putting a creature under a status for a longer duration.

But nowhere on the congeal effect does it say congeal is equivalent to a 4 turn freeze. Yet congeal behaves like one, which makes cards like shockwave confused and ambiguous

Deadly Poison doesn't say it's just Poison 2.

[davidy22]

At least deadly poison doesn't day it intoxicates the opponent.

I'm not arguing for the format [ability name] [number]. I'm arguing for a standard format, and a standard naming system. Some of the current cards are not perfect examples of grammar either.

[OldTrees]

Arctic Octopus does follow the current standard form:
'When a creature has a skill that acts identical to a spell it will reference the spell.'
Arctic Octopus Congeals target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts the Congeal spell at the target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts "Freeze the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills" at the target creature
-> Arctic Octopus freezes the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills.

This is a card reference based Keyword.

[davidy22]

Arctic Octopus does follow the current standard form:
'When a creature has a skill that acts identical to a spell it will reference the spell.'
Arctic Octopus Congeals target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts the Congeal spell at the target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts "Freeze the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills" at the target creature
-> Arctic Octopus freezes the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills.

This is a card reference based Keyword.

That's how the ability works. The way it is presented to the player is in the form of two abilities, "freeze" and the more powerful "congeal", which means dry up. The two words don't mean nearly the same thing, yet they both trigger the shockwave secondary effect.

[Jaxly]

Both freeze and congeal mean to solidify something. The means by which they do it are different.
A shock-wave would not shatter a liquid or gelatinous body.
A shock-wave might shatter a solid body.

[OldTrees]

Arctic Octopus does follow the current standard form:
'When a creature has a skill that acts identical to a spell it will reference the spell.'
Arctic Octopus Congeals target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts the Congeal spell at the target creature.
-> Arctic Octopus casts "Freeze the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills" at the target creature
-> Arctic Octopus freezes the target creature for 4 turns. Frozen creatures cannot attack or use skills.

This is a card reference based Keyword.

That's how the ability works. The way it is presented to the player is in the form of two abilities, "freeze" and the more powerful "congeal", which means dry up. The two words don't mean nearly the same thing, yet they both trigger the shockwave secondary effect.

The way it is presented to the player is in the form of 4 cards Freeze|Congeal (common) and Arctic Squid|Arctic Octopus (rare)
The Rare card references the effect of the Common spell card by name.

[davidy22]

The way it is presented to the player is in the form of 4 cards Freeze|Congeal (common) and Arctic Squid|Arctic Octopus (rare)
The Rare card references the effect of the Common spell card by name.

That still means there are two different names for the same ability. We agree that there are two different names, I'd like to argue that it's not a good thing.

It isn't immediately clear that the spell shockwave also refers to the congeal effect too.

Both freeze and congeal mean to solidify something. The means by which they do it are different.
A shock-wave would not shatter a liquid or gelatinous body.
A shock-wave might shatter a solid body.

Freeze means to solidify. Congeal means to remove the liquid from an emulsion.
A shock-wave of said liquid could shatter a liquid at the molecular level if it traveled at the liquid's natural frequency.

They are not the same thing.

[OldTrees]

The way it is presented to the player is in the form of 4 cards Freeze|Congeal (common) and Arctic Squid|Arctic Octopus (rare)
The Rare card references the effect of the Common spell card by name.

That still means there are two different names for the same ability. We agree that there are two different names, I'd like to argue that it's not a good thing.

It isn't immediately clear that the spell shockwave also refers to the congeal effect too.

It is not the same ability
Arctic Squid has the ability "Trigger the unupped version of Freeze|Congeal." Hence the ability is named "Freeze".
Arctic Octopus has the ability "Trigger the upgraded version of Freeze|Congeal." Hence the ability is named "Congeal".

Imagine a hypothetical card that "Trigger the unupped|upgraded version of Immolation|Cremation.". It would have the ability named "Immolate"|"Cremate".

If someone has an Arctic Octopus I am fairly certain they know of the Congeal spell. (Upgraded Commons are more well known than Upgraded Rares in the same element.)

[davidy22]

Target a card to activate the ability? I'm sure zanzarino knows how to  use classes better than that.

The side effects of the abilities are the same, and so two different names are not needed. They behave the same way, so they two abilities should have the same name.

[OldTrees]

Target a card to activate the ability? I'm sure zanzarino knows how to  use classes better than that.

The side effects of the abilities are the same, and so two different names are not needed. They behave the same way, so they two abilities should have the same name.

I did not claim the ability targeted the Freeze|Congeal card. (If I was careless with my wording, I apologize) I did mention that the Ability was named Freeze|Congeal because it calls the same function as Freeze|Congeal does. This means the player can reference the Freeze|Congeal spell instead of including unnecessary reminder text.


" : Congeal" provides all the same information that " :Freeze target creature for 4 turns." and takes significantly less space.

[davidy22]

Target a card to activate the ability? I'm sure zanzarino knows how to  use classes better than that.

The side effects of the abilities are the same, and so two different names are not needed. They behave the same way, so they two abilities should have the same name.

I did not claim the ability targeted the Freeze|Congeal card. (If I was careless with my wording, I apologize) I did mention that the Ability was named Freeze|Congeal because it calls the same function as Freeze|Congeal does. This means the player can reference the Freeze|Congeal spell instead of including unnecessary reminder text.


" : Congeal" provides all the same information that " :Freeze target creature for 4 turns." and takes significantly less space.

Bah.

The cards need a redesign, making cards is frustrating with the tiny amount of text you can fit on them.

The adrenaline card should have a printed formula describing how many times it makes cards attack.

[Marvaddin]

Long time, but lets update it

One thing I've thought of: Owl's Eye being able to target the opponent's HP directly.

Doesnt it already attack the opponent HP directly? I think the skill is supposed to be CC only, or the damage could be increased instead.

What you suggested for gravity pull was different in the original post. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered saying that.

Can you explain the difference please?

I'm not arguing for the format [ability name] [number]. I'm arguing for a standard format, and a standard naming system. Some of the current cards are not perfect examples of grammar either.

Yeah, some cards can have a different text to make it clear. Chrysaora is a good example. The skill could be something like "add a poison counter to opponent".

But there is an standard system, like OldTrees explained:
Arctic Squid has the ability "Trigger the unupped version of Freeze|Congeal." Hence the ability is named "Freeze".
Arctic Octopus has the ability "Trigger the upgraded version of Freeze|Congeal." Hence the ability is named "Congeal".

You know, cards text box is small, so I agree with the reference system. For example: scarab doesnt have an explanation about the devour skill, but its present in Otyugh, so its ok. Next time a creature have endow, it doesnt need repeat the text (its in crusader card) and can use text to explain another passive skill, for example. So, you always need some knowledge around the cards at all. If you have it, cards like Shockwave are not ambiguous, you know freeze and congeal are the same status, with different duration.

Well, well...

Another little change I would like to sugest: lycans could turn Darkness (and get bonus from Eclipse / damage from Holy Flash) after the skill is used.

Lets continue it, I will update it in some time