Upcoming changes to "Card Ideas" section

[Kael Hate]

The whole system you proposed is over complicated.

The system takes less effort than it would to gather a vote. The only effort required is for those who know the game to comment.

I even offered to do any manual work copying card detail across and making it presentable.

I understand the downfalls of the current system and understand how yours works. I like your system.  It appears to be more 'fair' but it is overly complicated for trying to achieve a simple idea--create a master thread with all card ideas.

Kael you have a point with the card competition.  There are flaws with any system.  The 'best card' in a competition may not get the most votes for a variety of reasons.  (I am flustered with how the weapons one turned out.  Scalpel has some major flaws in it but it persevered via advertisement, voter bias & etc)

Realize that these forums, competitions and everything else is to keep the community active.  It is not about who wins or loses.  People enjoy participating and the goal is to get more people into the Elements community. There is no point in having strict rules/guidelines or excess amounts of text for something so simple.  WALLS OF TEXT SCARE PEOPLE AWAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO RULES.

Look at: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=statsWe have an average of 75 people online per day.  25 of those people are registering for the first time.  If our community was substantially bigger, I would agree more with you Kael.  But as it stands now, our community is not big enough to implement a more puissantly system. (yes puissantly is a word--it means strong/powerful/mighty).

Thanks for the support.

Lol, I spent more time here than most of the Masters.

Surely we could could get 5 people of an appropriate experience from those that look through the card ideas to post a review. I'll even take the effort to retype peoples submissions to fill out the template if that scares people, it'd need to be done for the spreadsheet anyhow.


Edit - Merge Double Post

[acelink]

Thanks for the support.

Lol, I spent more time here than most of the Masters.

Surely we could could get 5 people of an appropriate experience from those that look through the card ideas to post a review. I'll even take the effort to retype peoples submissions to fill out the template if that scares people, it'd need to be done for the spreadsheet anyhow.

Your idea is basically add a judging staff... perfect. Focus on that.  All your other text is fluff and adds unneeded rules/complications.  If a snag does come up, approach it case by case.  Simple = better.  Get to your point short and fast... details only need to be known by those evaluating.

5 'judges' are appointed to evaluate and review.  If they agree, the card is accepted and "approved".

Who cares about the people offering the card idea and their score?  Their idea is what matters.  Judges jobs would not only be to "approve cards" but actively critique cards  (in a nice way) and help people finalize their card.  Every card has the possibility of being approved--it all depends on how much time the creator would like to spend refining his/her card. 

EDIT: I'm going to bed.  I'll argue with you guys later.  We could have a SKYPE DEBATE. omg!

[Scaredgirl]

To my knowledge, the Approved Card Ideas is just a section for card ideas that fit a set of rules, and in no way have a greater chance of making it to the actual game. This is where things get confusing for people, especially new members. Upon seeing that section, one might automatically think card ideas that have a very good chance of being implemented into the game lie in waiting. Even though that is not the case.

I enjoy this idea, however, I do not like the name of the area where the 'accepted' cards will be put.

Very good point.

You are absolutely right about the name "Approved Card Ideas". It does sound way too much like those cards are just waiting to be added into the game, and my inbox in going to full of posts from people asking why their card ideas are not in the game.

Either the sub-section name has to change, or we have to have some kind of text explaining everything.

Look at: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=statsWe have an average of 75 people online per day.  25 of those people are registering and logging in for the first time.  If our community was substantially bigger, I would agree more with you Kael.  But as it stands now, our community is not big enough to implement a more puissantly system. (yes puissantly is a word--it means strong/powerful/mighty). 

I'm not sure but I think you misunderstood the stats. We have 1500+ unique visitors per day, roughly 400 of those being members.

That "average of 75 people online" means that if we divide the whole 24 hours into a slices of 15 minutes, the average people online during that time is 75. In other words, when you visit these forum at any point, about 74 other people are online.

[Astaroth]

Kael, you seem to carry this elitist attitude all over the forums. You just keep digging deeper and deeper...

I'm glad SG decided to go another route. Otherwise, I may have been one of the "newbs" that didn't have any say-so in anything. Don't forget that some new people aren't necessarily children, or new to the TCG scene.

I am an elitist and a Perfectionist. I believe peoples and communities should evolve and grow and become more knowledgable as a whole. I get disgusted when I see the propagation of bad habits and bad discipline.

I don't want to stifle creative ideas or views on anything that anyone has to say. I want everyone to grow into a mature intelligent productive community which can learn and develop from the collective in a disciplined manner free from the immature and foolish.



In the "Make this card" competition you only recieved 3 votes. Do you think that if you were offered help by the collective that this could excel? At the time you had no chance because the group thought something else was better so your idea from a point of vote was declined. My idea is to allow those of the more experienced part of the collective evaluate your idea solely as it is. If it has a failing offer a way to fix it and make it pro so it is at a standard Zanz can see and take to the game if he wants. Again with Malevolance/ Malice, I think the idea you offered was quite sound but again because of voting it ment nothing to the group.

Look, I understand that you want to better the game and its community. That's perfectly fine. But, being an elitist is only going to make people hate you. I'm all for change, but having the attitude that you and a small group of people are better than the rest isn't going to help anything. Elitism has caused a lot of trouble in the world's history...

As for the "Make this card" competition, I'm glad to admit that some of those other ideas were better than mine. However, we've already seen the flaws in the other competitions. A GREAT idea can receive very few votes, while a mediocre card with good art receives the majority. I don't care how many people in the "elite" group would have helped me with it, because it still would have gotten very few votes.

And if you're so phobic of immature and foolish people, then the internet is not the right place for you. 

[Kamietsu]

As for the "Make this card" competition, I'm glad to admit that some of those other ideas were better than mine. However, we've already seen the flaws in the other competitions. A GREAT idea can receive very few votes, while a mediocre card with good art receives the majority. I don't care how many people in the "elite" group would have helped me with it, because it still would have gotten very few votes.

Hm, but all the art was virtually the same for the "Make this card" competition. To be fairly blunt and honest, I didn't see anything great about your card idea. Sure it was unique, but it didn't offer much to gameplay. Then again, I'm not sure how I won the competition either. I enjoy my idea, but I certainly didn't think it was good enough to win. I only thought Overflow/Overfill was actually good enough to the winner. But the populace decided differently. At least those that part took in the competition.

Yes some other competitions have some flaws, as does virtually everything in life, but we try to see that all competitions are fair and equal for all. I thought the "Make This Card" was the most fair competition so far. Seeing as how everyone was forced to use the same image, it was the idea alone that basically won.

And that is why that competition even happened. To help eliminate the idea of the art making the difference in cards.

[Astaroth]

As for the "Make this card" competition, I'm glad to admit that some of those other ideas were better than mine. However, we've already seen the flaws in the other competitions. A GREAT idea can receive very few votes, while a mediocre card with good art receives the majority. I don't care how many people in the "elite" group would have helped me with it, because it still would have gotten very few votes.

Hm, but all the art was virtually the same for the "Make this card" competition. To be fairly blunt and honest, I didn't see anything great about your card idea. Sure it was unique, but it didn't offer much to gameplay. Then again, I'm not sure how I won the competition either. I enjoy my idea, but I certainly didn't think it was good enough to win. I only thought Overflow/Overfill was actually good enough to the winner. But the populace decided differently. At least those that part took in the competition.

Yes some other competitions have some flaws, as does virtually everything in life, but we try to see that all competitions are fair and equal for all. I thought the "Make This Card" was the most fair competition so far. Seeing as how everyone was forced to use the same image, it was the idea alone that basically won.

And that is why that competition even happened. To help eliminate the idea of the art making the difference in cards.

Which is exactly why I said "...the OTHER competitions." I knew the purpose of the "Make this card" competition.

[MartyMo]

Ok if empantic bond is stackable with each other, than night fall needs to be.  I put 3 bonds out there and get 3 hp per creature but when i do it with nightfall my creatures only get one.

[Scaredgirl]

I had to remove a rule breaking post and another one that quoting the first one.

I want to take this time to remind everyone that insulting new members of the community is definitely not cool and will result in an immediate warning, like it did in this case.

Lets show everyone we are above the regular gaming communities filled with elitist jerks and other lowlifes, ok?

[Kael Hate]

Ok if empantic bond is stackable with each other, than night fall needs to be.  I put 3 bonds out there and get 3 hp per creature but when i do it with nightfall my creatures only get one.

G'day MartyMo.
It is intended by the designer that Nightfall does not stack where empathic bond should. It is this way to balance there effect on the game. If you believe it should work this way you may want to post this in the Game suggestions and Feedback area.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,8.0.html


On a side note to this and regarding this topic it is inexperience that new players like MartyMo have that makes them a detriment to card analysis. In time he/she will understand the workings of the game and may be a credit but at this time lacks the experience.

[acelink]

Look at: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=statsWe have an average of 75 people online per day.  25 of those people are registering and logging in for the first time.  If our community was substantially bigger, I would agree more with you Kael.  But as it stands now, our community is not big enough to implement a more puissantly system. (yes puissantly is a word--it means strong/powerful/mighty). 

I'm not sure but I think you misunderstood the stats. We have 1500+ unique visitors per day, roughly 400 of those being members.

That "average of 75 people online" means that if we divide the whole 24 hours into a slices of 15 minutes, the average people online during that time is 75. In other words, when you visit these forum at any point, about 74 other people are online.

I thought it was the amount of registered people logging on per day.  75 unique people logging on per day. (feels dumb)

I needs to l2b smrt and not post when i'm about to go to sleep

[TheDarkAzura]

Do we really need to make a picture for the card?

Can't we post our ideas, and if they get approved put a picture on it?

Faster.

[PuppyChow]

A newbie could beat you, or PuppyChow

I beg to disagree. My record is 1337 wins, 0 losses. I'm unbeatable.

Anyway, I have to agree with Kami here. /Late to party