Upcoming changes to "Card Ideas" section

[Scaredgirl]

I don't really agree with SG. There is the mythical tome of arcane knowledge called the Dictionary. As an immigrant from China, I had to use that a lot in my first two years in Canada.

So we should use difficult words because anyone can use a dictionary?

Wow.

This is just a wild guess but I would say your day job does NOT include web usability testing. Am I right?

[ScytherLoL]

Mine definately does not include Web Usability but hey thats ok.

So Crucible seems a bit out there for most that is fine, I think Forge should be able to be understood by many though.

As to Stage 0 yes, I thought that was the case but gave it a name anyway.

Thanks everyone.

Scyther

[Bloodshadow]

This is just a wild guess but I would say your day job does NOT include web usability testing. Am I right?

No. My day job is a student. I guess I must've forgot to put my age on my profile. Online privacy? Screw that. Nobody puts his/her real age on the profile anyways. How do you know that my age is not fake?

Back on topic. Crucible is not so much of an obscure word compared to, say, "gregarious", now is it? And it is just one word. I'm not saying we should use ALL difficult words.

[Boingo]

Back on topic. Crucible is not so much of an obscure word

Agreed.

Crucible is hardly an obscure word (thank you very much Arthur Miller.) Especially in a game that includes gems such as lycanthrope, cockatrice, carapace, immolation, chrysaora, anubis, and quintessence, to mention a few.

If you're going to make a change to the smithy/crucible/forgery/armoury line-up, why not change "forgery" to "forge"?  Many native english and non-native english speakers alike will take forgery to mean "fake" before thinking it to have anything to do with crafting in a positive sense.

My 2 cents.

[Kael Hate]

Personally i support the idea of having some people to assist building and developing the cards. These people will in no way dictate the terms or conditions of making the cards but would encourage and educate those who dip their feet into the water. Remembering that although this game has simlarites to other CCG's it still stands alone so some of those mechanics will not work here.

So. In getting back to the topic on hand I support Scaredgirls decision to step down the road she has chosen and will follow her in that vein. I also have listened to much of what Kael Hate has said both here and elsewhere and do believe that at times he has it right in wanting to educate but finding a medium to do this properly is the issue at hand. I do not believe an elite group is needed. I believe a group of people who have the emotional intelligence to suport and encourage is what is more needed in this forum for all ideas no matter how much they may seem to be out there have some merit. It is a fact that through the Card Ideas thread there are many ideas that were cast aside in their first inception but when you look at later cards you find that same mechanic has been taken, advanced rehoned and remade into something that is workable.

Welcome back. We thought you had been eaten by a bear.

This support group thing sounds pretty good. It's much better than assuming that all the new players are idiots.

I was thinking something like this:

STAGE 0 - Unapproved Card Ideas
This is how the ideas are posted now. It would basically be a "lobby" where we get rid of all the bad apples. All other stages have their own sub-category. Card ideas that meet the minimum requirements of quality (image etc.) and all the necessary information go to next stage.

STAGE 1 - Approved Card Ideas
How "good" the idea is, isn't a factor in getting to this stage. To make the idea better, "Support Group" works together with the card maker (and the rest of the community) to refine the card idea and move it to the next stage when ready. There might also be a vote, who knows.

STAGE 2 - Refined Card Ideas
Every week all the new card ideas that reach this stage, will be put on a vote. Winner goes to last stage.

STAGE 3 - Hall of Fame
All the stage 2 ideas voted best by the community. Best of the Best.


Something like that..

I'm starting to like this. It is the somewhereville between "any silly idea goes" and "elitist card ideas are us". Still with that who decides on when a card jumps to the next step?

Welcome back ScytherLol. Don't think there is anything as Dangerous as a Bear on New Zealand unless you include the Maori and Unless you like playing on the coast of the southern Island the scariest animal in New Zealand is a flightless fowl like bird known as the Kiwi or if you're in luck the Kakapo. Don't think New Zealand has Moa any more. Should come to Australia, nearly everything can kill you here lol.

Edit - Googled Moa, officially considered wiped out by Maori.

I don't really agree with SG. There is the mythical tome of arcane knowledge called the Dictionary. As an immigrant from China, I had to use that a lot in my first two years in Canada.

So we should use difficult words because anyone can use a dictionary?

Wow.

This is just a wild guess but I would say your day job does NOT include web usability testing. Am I right?

Hey, my day job does include web usability testing, albiet for the Medical Industry.

I think there is probably a medium between big words and knowledge of such when we use big words as a title. Then the word can be used in the short for those familiar with it and it is meaningful when the user aproaches the area.
Ie - The Crucible - "Boiling down card ideas"

[ScytherLoL]

Hey Kael Hate, glad to be back as well. Also glad that we cna find a solid compromise that helps everyone without being unbalanced. (some of the individual ideas I want to type OP too)

I think as a tream we have the ground work to now move forward.

On another note the Moa was predominantly hunted for food by South Island Maori and a large propotion of it's habitat was wiped out during forest fires after which it seems to have faded away along with our only major predator. Hokioi or Haasts Eagle a giant bird of prey which hunted Moa and in early European settlement apparently hunted and carried off sheep and humans. Now that would be something to be both scared of and in awe of.

But anyway glad to see the path is forged to go ahead.

Thanks

Scyther

(PS. most dangerous thing in NZ at the moment is a Black Cap supporter, after the despairing losses they have nothing to do except drink and turn your back lawn into a cricket pitch)

[Scaredgirl]

Crucible is hardly an obscure word (thank you very much Arthur Miller.) Especially in a game that includes gems such as lycanthrope, cockatrice, carapace, immolation, chrysaora, anubis, and quintessence, to mention a few.

Check out the flag below your avatar. You might not be the right person to say what's obscure or not. Never underestimate the bad English of us living in the non-English speaking world

My flag is different, and I can tell you that most non-English people have no idea what the word "crucible" is. I think I have a relatively big vocabulary when it comes to these kinds of words and even I didn't know it. As a comparison, those other 3 words where very familiar and I use them myself.

And yes, Elements has all kinds of crazy words but it's a game and complex words make it more "poetic". Rules are different when we are talking about web usability. The number one goal of a forum is to provide easy and fast access to information. If we start using all kinds of difficult words, it becomes increasingly difficult to users. This is why we have "Troubleshooting" instead of "Seekers of the Truth" even though the latter might sound cooler.

Sure some might say users learn those words fast with a dictionary in their other hand, but the thing is that we are not here to teach English, or to make the forums sound more poetic. We are here just to provide easy access to information.

If you're going to make a change to the smithy/crucible/forgery/armoury line-up, why not change "forgery" to "forge"?  Many native english and non-native english speakers alike will take forgery to mean "fake" before thinking it to have anything to do with crafting in a positive sense.

Yes, definitely "Forge". That's what all the other games use.

Also isn't it "Armory" instead of "Armoury"? Or are they both correct? I think I've only heard the first one used.

I will go ahead and make those 3 subcategories. We can tweak them later in needed.

[miniwally]

I think armory is an Americanism.

[Kael Hate]

"Armoury" is the correct english, "Armory" is the American Bastardisation.

Same goes for "colour" vs "color"

[jmizzle7]

Also isn't it "Armory" instead of "Armoury"? Or are they both correct? I think I've only heard the first one used.

Both are correct, as are both spellings of the word 'color'. I prefer Armory, as that is the standard spelling used by most fantasy games.

[Kael Hate]

Also isn't it "Armory" instead of "Armoury"? Or are they both correct? I think I've only heard the first one used.

Both are correct, as are both spellings of the word 'color'. I prefer Armory, as that is the standard spelling used by most fantasy games.

Lol, both are correct in USA land.
Not here in Australia it isn't and you get to fail primary school English if you use Armor or Color.

Also from a person who plays various games from all around the English speaking world, Armoury is more common. Only in productions from the USA is Armory used.

Edit - Personally don't care, I can read American. Just have to step up when Americans say they know their English is better than actual English.

[jmizzle7]

Lol, both are correct in USA land.
Not here in Australia it isn't and you get to fail primary school English if you use Armor or Color.

Also from a person who plays various games from all around the English speaking world, Armoury is more common. Only in productions from the USA is Armory used.

Edit - Personally don't care, I can read American. Just have to step up when Americans say they know their English is better than actual English.

Wait..... you EDITED your post to put words in my mouth!? Your elitism really grinds my gears, sir. Not once have I ever said that American English is "better" than standard English. But because there is an American flag on my avatar, you assumed that I did. Well done. I have actually been to Australia, thank you very much, and guess what? People don't care about which is correct! They happen to use 'ou' because that is the spelling of the land. But, as I said earlier, it doesn't matter. They are the same words, but with different spelling. Every adult who can read English at some level understands that there are different dialects of language, both in speaking and in writing.