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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236552#msg236552
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 10:00:38 pm »
Erm.. I think we've given too many reward codes already. Besides, it seems redundant and taking the charm away from the main war. We can of course put up a betting without any big prize - just for fun! It could also be a platform for the challengers to win votes (if it is allowed). It there is one, I'm sure I'll join that betting. :)
That's cool too! I don't really mind the rewards thing, but I thought it would be cool to see who guessed who would win. I'd definitely join even if there wasn't a reward.

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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236565#msg236565
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 10:11:19 pm »
Erm.. I think we've given too many reward codes already. Besides, it seems redundant and taking the charm away from the main war. We can of course put up a betting without any big prize - just for fun! It could also be a platform for the challengers to win votes (if it is allowed). It there is one, I'm sure I'll join that betting. :)
That's cool too! I don't really mind the rewards thing, but I thought it would be cool to see who guessed who would win. I'd definitely join even if there wasn't a reward.
You can all post bets here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18580.new.html#new)

Also, I think I came up with a good system to pick the people in overpopulated Trials. There will be 2 categories: Post count and Score. Each player will score a specific number of points based on each of these. Let me exemplify on the Aether Trials:

Post ranking:

  • Dragoon1140 - 5 points
  • Higurashi - 4 points
  • icecoldbro - 3 points
  • pikachufan2164 - 2 points
  • patchx94 - 1 point
Score ranking:

  • Higurashi - 5 points
  • pikachufan2164 - 4 points
  • icecoldbro - 3 points
  • Dragoon1140 - 2 points
  • patchx94 - 1 point
Final ranking:

  • Higurashi - 9 points
  • Dragoon1140 - 7 points
  • icecoldbro - 6 points
  • pikachufan2164 - 6 points
  • patchx94 - 2 points
Eliminated player: patchx94
And the Fire Trials:

Post ranking:

  • Kamietsu - 6 points
  • jmdt - 5 points
  • Dragoon - 4 points
  • Napalm Grenade - 3 points
  • lukce - 2 points
  • Acsabi44 - 1 point
Score ranking:

  • jmdt - 6 points
  • Dragoon - 5 points
  • Napalm Grenade - 4 points
  • Acsabi44 - 3 points
  • lukce - 2 points
  • Kamietsu - 1 point
Final ranking:

  • jmdt - 11 points
  • Dragoon - 9 points
  • Napalm Grenade - 7 points
  • Kamietsu - 7 point
  • Acsabi44 - 4 points
  • lukce - 4 points
Eliminated players: Acsabi44 and lukce.
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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236640#msg236640
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2010, 12:12:38 am »
Also, I think I came up with a good system to pick the people in overpopulated Trials. There will be 2 categories: Post count and Score. Each player will score a specific number of points based on each of these. Let me exemplify on the Aether Trials:

I dislike this system. Post count and score are neither of the qualities that you are looking for in a master. I can see why they need such limits to stop every new person applying for every element, but at a certain point, you need to look for quality of posts rather than quantity. Also things like tournament wins, participation in war and other helpful things towards the community should be taken into consideration. Doing this would take too long if you wanted to individually do every single trials, but if it is possible, I would try to put them into consideration, even if it is just a +1 point bonus for participating in war or tournaments (it is harder to judge their value to the community in a short space of time unfortunately).
It may be too late now, but personally I think this system is much more fair.

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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236643#msg236643
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2010, 12:18:01 am »
How about award quantity? Forum Job bonus? Pre-trial Vote?

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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236645#msg236645
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2010, 12:23:47 am »
How about award quantity? Forum Job bonus? Pre-trial Vote?
No because maybe someone newish might be a good master but this'l give all the popular and known players an advantage.


Edit: Also I think the requirement shouldn't be score but wins.  Because this will allow people who farm fg and got their score lowered a chance to be in trial.

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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236656#msg236656
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2010, 12:35:51 am »
Wins? Do you really want people to grind AI0 for hours to make trials? A win against a FG should be worth much more than a win against AI0 or AI1.

Every system for this will have flaws. Xdude's system has few of these so why not stick with it. Maybe a bonus of one point for each award.
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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236662#msg236662
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2010, 12:42:50 am »
How about award quantity? Forum Job bonus? Pre-trial Vote?
No because maybe someone newish might be a good master but this'l give all the popular and known players an advantage.


Edit: Also I think the requirement shouldn't be score but wins.  Because this will allow people who farm fg and got their score lowered a chance to be in trial.
if your score was down because of false gods, you wins would also be down(somewhat)
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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236670#msg236670
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2010, 12:48:45 am »
I dislike this system. Post count and score are neither of the qualities that you are looking for in a master. I can see why they need such limits to stop every new person applying for every element, but at a certain point, you need to look for quality of posts rather than quantity. Also things like tournament wins, participation in war and other helpful things towards the community should be taken into consideration. Doing this would take too long if you wanted to individually do every single trials, but if it is possible, I would try to put them into consideration, even if it is just a +1 point bonus for participating in war or tournaments (it is harder to judge their value to the community in a short space of time unfortunately).
It may be too late now, but personally I think this system is much more fair.
I agree with DrunkDestroyer--the score & post count system doesn't seem too fair (e.g., score is most often a reflection of how much a person does AI3 grinding, and post count doesn't take into account quality of posts).

A pre-trial vote might not be a bad idea. It can definitely be the case that someone newer to the forums might be a good master, but, ideally, a master should be someone who is well-received by the community, as they would essentially be the "face of an element," so to speak (and, more often than not, people who are well-received tend to be the ones who have given a lot of time to being on/helping the forum). But if that is too subjective, some kind of objective system that gives candidates points for things they've done might work (again, like what DrunkDestroyer said).

Who knew trials would be so popular this time around? :)

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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236676#msg236676
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2010, 12:57:06 am »
I dislike this system. Post count and score are neither of the qualities that you are looking for in a master. I can see why they need such limits to stop every new person applying for every element, but at a certain point, you need to look for quality of posts rather than quantity. Also things like tournament wins, participation in war and other helpful things towards the community should be taken into consideration. Doing this would take too long if you wanted to individually do every single trials, but if it is possible, I would try to put them into consideration, even if it is just a +1 point bonus for participating in war or tournaments (it is harder to judge their value to the community in a short space of time unfortunately).
It may be too late now, but personally I think this system is much more fair.
I agree with DrunkDestroyer--the score & post count system doesn't seem too fair (e.g., score is most often a reflection of how much a person does AI3 grinding, and post count doesn't take into account quality of posts).

A pre-trial vote might not be a bad idea. It can definitely be the case that someone newer to the forums might be a good master, but, ideally, a master should be someone who is well-received by the community, as they would essentially be the "face of an element," so to speak (and, more often than not, people who are well-received tend to be the ones who have given a lot of time to being on/helping the forum). But if that is too subjective, some kind of objective system that gives candidates points for things they've done might work (again, like what DrunkDestroyer said).

Who knew trials would be so popular this time around? :)
but who would vote for somebody that was newer and was little known?
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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236713#msg236713
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2010, 01:52:15 am »
I agree,

The fewer the popular votes involved in the trials the better. It doesn't measure anything other than name recognition and popularity. Of course more active people are likely to have good name recognition, and we want active people, so there is a place for popular votes. But the more it can be about duels and work put in during the trials, the better.

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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236716#msg236716
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2010, 01:56:01 am »
How about award quantity? Forum Job bonus? Pre-trial Vote?
No because maybe someone newish might be a good master but this'l give all the popular and known players an advantage.


Edit: Also I think the requirement shouldn't be score but wins.  Because this will allow people who farm fg and got their score lowered a chance to be in trial.
if your score was down because of false gods, you wins would also be down(somewhat)
How does your win go down if you lose?  ???

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Re: Trials are on! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18556.msg236717#msg236717
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2010, 01:56:57 am »
it would not go down but it wouldnt be as high. note i said BE down not GO down
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