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Re: Elements Community Newsletter: November 2015 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60330.msg1213411#msg1213411
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2015, 06:49:01 pm »
There are a lot of decks I'd choose before something subpar, but I haven't submitted any so I have no right to complain, only suggest. The writing has left a bit to be desired from DIotM for quite a while, from subpar decks to grammar, spelling and lacking card explanations, but unless you volunteer to do a more thorough job, you should keep the vitriol down. Constructive feedback is what's needed.

The rest is great quality as always.

The issue is I've already submitted, as well as suggested, and detailed what is wrong with what is twice in a row now.

Of course, the rest of the NL is good as usual - as I've already stated in the past newsletter thread - but the DIotM is only going further downhill. The card explanations aren't even badly written, they're just downright wrong. Am I supposed to take a DIotM that claims the point of the deck is to fractal a weapon, but simultaneously says you have six AWs "in case of RT" seriously? That's absurd for anyone who knows what AW and Fractal does.

DIotM has, and will always be, a place to showcase and explain decks. If you can't do that, then it's wiser to just leave it blank. I've given great detail and suggestion, both on public and in PM's since the last newsletter for DIotM. And getting this in return is, if anything, depressing.

DIotM won't have time to get made but you still don't want to leave it blank? Well that's nice and dandy and fine but could we at least get a proper explanation of the cards instead of some of what we read which are - please correct me if I'm wrong in this one - just not even close to what the deck wants to do, and further on, not even close to what the very own Newsletter said the deck was about? It's fine - it doesn't have to be perfect, flawless, it doesn't even have to be good, I can tolerate if it's mediocre just for the sake of being there, but being wrong? This is like placing some random guy's name in the Tournament section saying he won a tournament just 'cause I don't remember or couldn't get the name of whoever won.

I'm not saying it's the fault of the Newsletter Writers entirely, of course the one at fault is ultimately the one who wrote this, but the NL could at least proofread it? You could like check it out? Unsure if it's good; send it to someone, anyone, you have friends, I openly volunteer to read anything you guys may ever publish before you do so which is something I have done over and over again and Krzy himself knows this as I have helped NL before, during, and after all my duties with it and I'm sure anyone else would also be glad to help you, you also have friends in this forum you could send it to; yet you still choose to publish it without a second thought?

Come on. I have already said what is wrong with the DIotM and it is not the first time, yet there still was no proofreading of any sort. Yeah this is a volunteer work, I understand that more than over half of you and I know fully well how hard it is to get people to help with the Newsletter, I've done this job too, but you should not stop looking or trying to improve it. I have detailed what is wrong more than once and the fact that the mistakes are repeated when you're actually getting feedback, which is more than what any of the past Newsletter Writers ever had because all they - and I - received was "yah good nl bro" is saddening, both as an ex-staffer and as a community member.

If you did not receive any DIotM when someone told you they'd send you one and you publish it blank or publish a quickly written one, that's fine, but if you had the time to do so and it contains wrong information then my friend you should probably really recheck what you're doing and start focusing more on solving the issues of this specific part of the Newsletter.
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Re: Elements Community Newsletter: November 2015 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60330.msg1213420#msg1213420
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2015, 07:42:57 pm »
There you go, that's more constructive. I know you care about this, and it's frustrating to be overlooked repeatedly, just try to keep calm.

I would implore the newsletter writers to take Dm up on his offer and listen to feedback. You're doing important, quality work :>
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Re: Elements Community Newsletter: November 2015 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60330.msg1213421#msg1213421
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2015, 08:17:40 pm »
Just a small nitpick, but why do we still have DotM if pvp is barely used outside of events? Back in the times when we could still regularly play pvp1 and pvp2, it was nice to test out new decks. But with (mostly) only pvp duel left as an option, the importance of DotM decreased to minimal. Because of this, I usually skip that article (unless it's something really cool), so I wouldn't have even noticed the mistake if Dm didn't attract my attention to it.
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Re: Elements Community Newsletter: November 2015 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60330.msg1213424#msg1213424
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2015, 08:35:33 pm »
Just a small nitpick, but why do we still have DotM if pvp is barely used outside of events? Back in the times when we could still regularly play pvp1 and pvp2, it was nice to test out new decks. But with (mostly) only pvp duel left as an option, the importance of DotM decreased to minimal. Because of this, I usually skip that article (unless it's something really cool), so I wouldn't have even noticed the mistake if Dm didn't attract my attention to it.

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Re: Elements Community Newsletter: November 2015 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60330.msg1213425#msg1213425
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2015, 10:13:44 pm »
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Come on. I have already said what is wrong with the DIotM and it is not the first time, yet there still was no proofreading of any sort. Yeah this is a volunteer work, I understand that more than over half of you and I know fully well how hard it is to get people to help with the Newsletter, I've done this job too, but you should not stop looking or trying to improve it. I have detailed what is wrong more than once and the fact that the mistakes are repeated when you're actually getting feedback, which is more than what any of the past Newsletter Writers ever had because all they - and I - received was "yah good nl bro" is saddening, both as an ex-staffer and as a community member.

I always appreciate your feedback because I know you're honest and you take the time to actually give a constructive comment. I have to admit I didn't even read that DIotM and I have no excuses. I'm not the best writer myself and I actually give the parts I'm doing myself (Weekly Tournaments, sometimes interview questions, usually comic script as well if it is written by me) for someone to proofread. I'm not able to do all of the NL stuff myself and Discord is a new staffer and she is improving. Almost all small sections of Newsletter were written by her. I hope next NLs will be of better quality. 

And I admit receiving no feedback or nothing constructive is saddening, I'm especially sad I receive almost no comments under my comics because I really spend much time on making them. I would be happy with a constructive critique not praising my work at all, I really appreciate your feedback on the previous comic Dm, I learnt then I can do something differently and it can look better :)

On the other hand, I don't comment other posts much, so I shouldn't have high expectations regarding commenting my posts. But that's true that if you can see someone cares about what you do, it is motivating to continue hard working.
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Re: Elements Community Newsletter: November 2015 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60330.msg1213440#msg1213440
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2015, 02:42:59 am »
Just a small nitpick, but why do we still have DotM if pvp is barely used outside of events? Back in the times when we could still regularly play pvp1 and pvp2, it was nice to test out new decks. But with (mostly) only pvp duel left as an option, the importance of DotM decreased to minimal. Because of this, I usually skip that article (unless it's something really cool), so I wouldn't have even noticed the mistake if Dm didn't attract my attention to it.

- Actually PvP2 really doesn't have that long a wait time tbh. And Leagues are a thing.

- I would be willing to help / write DIotM next month, if help is wanted.

- I'm excited about the conclusion of your comic Krzy, and the perspective... i can't even brain how you do that stuff.

- With regards to the comic, is there any reason for it not to be included, in a spoiler, within the NL itself? I would read it every single time if it was actually in the NL post, where i read it 50% of the time through the click-through. i don't know why this is, but I wonder if others find the same thing happening? I just get distracted, think "i'll read it when i'm done with this page" and forget to click through and read it.
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Re: Elements Community Newsletter: November 2015 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60330.msg1213446#msg1213446
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2015, 04:37:21 am »
Honestly, the main reason I made the deck was because math banned any chance I had at making adrenastaves so I went with fractal staves. But at the same time, the same applies for the NT Staves I made for the previous trials.
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Re: Elements Community Newsletter: November 2015 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60330.msg1213453#msg1213453
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2015, 06:36:45 am »
"Many thanks to:
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Loving the irony :)

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Re: Elements Community Newsletter: November 2015 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60330.msg1213858#msg1213858
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2015, 03:51:46 am »

- I would be willing to help / write DIotM next month, if help is wanted.


Thanks :) We always appreciate any help.


- With regards to the comic, is there any reason for it not to be included, in a spoiler, within the NL itself? I would read it every single time if it was actually in the NL post, where i read it 50% of the time through the click-through. i don't know why this is, but I wonder if others find the same thing happening? I just get distracted, think "i'll read it when i'm done with this page" and forget to click through and read it.

Comics are so big that they distract the reading of Newsletter, especially on the smaller screens. The same issue is the interview, there are only 2-3 questions in the Newsletter and we redirect the reader to the full interview.

 Link to the comic is big enough to not to miss it and I always post a seperate post in my comic thread. If you have any problems with remembering to read it after opening in new tab, you only need to  make it a habit :P

If anyone is interested, I can start subscribing my comics, that is sending a comic via PM to the people who would like to receive it. Anyone interested?



"Many thanks to:
Zawadx and inthisrom for proofreading"

Loving the irony :)

Great job this month guys!!

To make it clear and to avoid discrediting anyone, Zawadx proofread only the interview and inthisroom just Weekly Tournaments section. They didn't proofread whole Newsletter.

I'm very sorry for my spelling errors, I need to be more careful.
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