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Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg140581#msg140581
« on: August 17, 2010, 02:54:08 pm »
Trials phase 2 has ended. Standings has been updated: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10805.0.html


The following people have been removed from the Trials for being inactive:
unionruler
unit748596
Brion
Anothebrother

None of them did anything or posted anything during phases 1 and 2. Furthermore I received no PM's or other explanations for their inactivity. They were basically ghosts.*

* upon further investigation, it appears that at least unionruler did mention he was going away. I just missed is because he posted it later in the sign-up topic. Doesn't really change things but I just wanted to point this out.

I understand that people have vacations and everything, but unfortunately the show must go on, and forum events are not put on halt because one person goes on a holiday. And even a holiday isn't an excuse for total silence. Phases 1-2 lasted for about 20 days, and writing at least one post or PM during that time (or before that telling you are going on a holiday) shouldn't be impossible if you are really interested in Master's position and worthy of that title.


Phase 3 will start soon. Rules for phase 2 might see some changes because there are some issues with the current rules, mainly the round robin system being a bad and time-consuming choice.

I'd like to have a system when the top 2 challengers would fight for the spot in the finals. This would of course mean that all the others would be eliminated which kind of sucks for them, especially if they were waiting for the PvP part to start.

I don't know.. we'll see. Post your suggestions and comments here please.

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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg140632#msg140632
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 03:53:43 pm »
Hmm, when you say the top two challengers fight, that could mean someone could do nothing for phase 1, nothing for phase 2, but be an awesome PVP-er, and get the title spot. Unless it would work slightly differently,


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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg140661#msg140661
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 04:32:55 pm »
Maybe the top two fight each other three times, while they only fight the others once?

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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg140725#msg140725
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 06:21:11 pm »
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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg140909#msg140909
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 10:56:48 pm »
What happens if for one of the Trials, the Master is stepping down? Do we still have to fight the Master, or do the two best challengers fight each other for the final battle? If it's the latter, then are upgraded cards allowed?
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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg140910#msg140910
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 11:00:23 pm »
Why was TheOwner even listed in the first two phases? He forfeited befored the trials started.

Sorry to double post.

Some personal issues have come up and I am afraid I will miss a decent chunk of the trials and assuming a win part of my Mastery.  I would still be able to complete the trials, but that's all I'd be able to do.  I doubt I would make a very good master with the issues that have come up so I have decided to forfeit to Amilir.  Best of luck to all you Challengers, oh yeah Masters too.

So sorry, maybe next time.
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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg140911#msg140911
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 11:04:12 pm »
What happens if for one of the Trials, the Master is stepping down? Do we still have to fight the Master, or do the two best challengers fight each other for the final battle? If it's the latter, then are upgraded cards allowed?
I think what would be fun would be the Challengers fight each other as dictated by Phase 3 (fully unupped best out of 3) get your upped cards (winner gets 6 loser 4) and then have your final battle best of 9.

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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg140950#msg140950
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 11:53:23 pm »
Phase 3 will start soon. Rules for phase 2 might see some changes because there are some issues with the current rules, mainly the round robin system being a bad and time-consuming choice.

I'd like to have a system when the top 2 challengers would fight for the spot in the finals. This would of course mean that all the others would be eliminated which kind of sucks for them, especially if they were waiting for the PvP part to start.

I don't know.. we'll see. Post your suggestions and comments here please.
I don't get it.  Twenty days between signups and round one, eleven days between rounds one and two, and nine days or more between rounds two and three, but now we're worried about round three being time consuming?

Only two elements have four challengers remaining, and you don't want to start the War until September anyway.  I don't see what the problem is with giving ten days for the round robin.

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Hmm, when you say the top two challengers fight, that could mean someone could do nothing for phase 1, nothing for phase 2, but be an awesome PVP-er, and get the title spot.
Agreed.  Not sure why we'd consider throwing away each players hard-earned points.  Additionally, I'd worry about sending the wrong message to players in the next Trials (ie try hard enough to make the top two.  If there were only two challengers, meh).  Some of this post is self serving because I'm a points leader.  But I have genuine problems with rules that change in the middle of a game, and the current system isn't broken imo.

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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg141220#msg141220
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2010, 11:40:10 am »
Why was TheOwner even listed in the first two phases? He forfeited befored the trials started.

Sorry to double post.

Some personal issues have come up and I am afraid I will miss a decent chunk of the trials and assuming a win part of my Mastery.  I would still be able to complete the trials, but that's all I'd be able to do.  I doubt I would make a very good master with the issues that have come up so I have decided to forfeit to Amilir.  Best of luck to all you Challengers, oh yeah Masters too.

So sorry, maybe next time.
Ah, ok. Either I missed that post or forgot to update the list. Thanks.


I don't get it.  Twenty days between signups and round one, eleven days between rounds one and two, and nine days or more between rounds two and three, but now we're worried about round three being time consuming?
It's because those earlier phases were so time-consuming that we now have to try to finish this as fast as possible. We still have the finals which is another 10 days. If we put everything together, the Trials will last longer than I would like them to last.


Only two elements have four challengers remaining, and you don't want to start the War until September anyway.  I don't see what the problem is with giving ten days for the round robin.
10 days is the time limit. I just don't think that 10 days is enough for a round-robin if there are 4 challengers. Furthermore some of those 4 challengers are probably mathematically eliminated anyways, so why are we forcing them to do the mini-tournament thing even when they have already been eliminated?

Two best challengers fighting for the spot in the finals makes the most sense to me. It's simple and makes sense. Winner gets 6 points, and the loser gets eliminated.


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Agreed.  Not sure why we'd consider throwing away each players hard-earned points.  Additionally, I'd worry about sending the wrong message to players in the next Trials (ie try hard enough to make the top two.  If there were only two challengers, meh).  Some of this post is self serving because I'm a points leader.  But I have genuine problems with rules that change in the middle of a game, and the current system isn't broken imo.
Points are not thrown away. The point system would be exactly the same.

That example you guys talk about.. the person who did nothing during phases 1 and 2 would most likely not get the title because:

A) He wouldn't get enough score to get to top-2, therefore would be eliminated
B) He would lose during phase 3 because of huge upped card disadvantage
C) If he did manage to win during phase 3, he would lose to current Master because of card disadvantage

And if despite his huge card disadvantage during both phase 3 and phase 4, he did win, I say he deserves that Masters title.


I'm still not 100% sure of what to do with these rules. But the main goal here is to find the "official" and "final" rules for Trials and go with those, without making it unfair to current challengers.

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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg141297#msg141297
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2010, 02:03:27 pm »
That example you guys talk about.. the person who did nothing during phases 1 and 2 would most likely not get the title because:

A) He wouldn't get enough score to get to top-2, therefore would be eliminated
B) He would lose during phase 3 because of huge upped card disadvantage
C) If he did manage to win during phase 3, he would lose to current Master because of card disadvantage

And if despite his huge card disadvantage during both phase 3 and phase 4, he did win, I say he deserves that Masters title.


I'm still not 100% sure of what to do with these rules. But the main goal here is to find the "official" and "final" rules for Trials and go with those, without making it unfair to current challengers.
Obviously you are 100% sure, as you've already posted the decision.  With regards to the example, there is no upped card advantage in phase 3 so I don't know what you're talking about.

It sucks that a fear of being unable to play 3 matches forced you to change rules for an event mid-event.  And as a side note, this rule change completely eliminated the War bonus for challengers this time around.

Looks like I'm off to build some new decks.  I wish you'd given it more thought when I specifically asked you whether phase 3 rules were going to change.

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Re: Trials phase 2 has ended - Phase 3 will start soon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11427.msg141304#msg141304
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2010, 02:08:48 pm »
That example you guys talk about.. the person who did nothing during phases 1 and 2 would most likely not get the title because:

A) He wouldn't get enough score to get to top-2, therefore would be eliminated
B) He would lose during phase 3 because of huge upped card disadvantage
C) If he did manage to win during phase 3, he would lose to current Master because of card disadvantage

And if despite his huge card disadvantage during both phase 3 and phase 4, he did win, I say he deserves that Masters title.


I'm still not 100% sure of what to do with these rules. But the main goal here is to find the "official" and "final" rules for Trials and go with those, without making it unfair to current challengers.
Obviously you are 100% sure, as you've already posted the decision.  With regards to the example, there is no upped card advantage in phase 3 so I don't know what you're talking about.

It sucks that a fear of being unable to play 3 matches forced you to change rules for an event mid-event.  And as a side note, this rule change completely eliminated the War bonus for challengers this time around.

Looks like I'm off to build some new decks.  I wish you'd given it more thought when I specifically asked you whether phase 3 rules were going to change.
Um.. what?

I think you might be a bit confused about what the actual rules are.

 

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