General Discussion & Mafia Ideas, Balancing, and Critiques

[Solaris]

Didn't you retroactively extend a timer by 5 days?

rofl, seriously. You're IN the game. Was there ever a 5 DAY discrepancy between rounds? No. That was clearly a joke, as I updated the round 1-2 hours later.

Disappointed as a whole with mafia at the moment.

[skyironsword]

Submachine made a mistake.

You should probably forgive him though. It wasn't that bad.

[Demagog]

Regarding m63:

Not revealing information after death is a cardinal rule of mafia. It should always be known as being in place. It violates the spirit of the game.

Submachine was given a warning, but I don't find this to be enough. I think he should be outright banned from mafia, if not forum games, for several months, if not permanently.

Those who supported him should also be suspended from mafia for a short period of time.

I find that a bit drastic lol... people make mistakes, best to let them learn from this mistake. Everyone now knows this was a mistake and it will never happen again. Sub's warning should be a global warning, even for players that come here to play years from now. We can call it the "don't be SUBversive" rule. Jokes aside, it's important to know when punishment is appropriate. Punishment is for changing behavior, protecting others, and setting an example. You should never make an initial punishment worse than it needs to be, as that is just being cruel. I feel that a global warning will suffice here, and temporary to permanent bans can be enforced from here on out.

[ddevans96]

I find that a bit drastic lol... people make mistakes, best to let them learn from this mistake. Everyone now knows this was a mistake and it will never happen again.

I really don't agree. Submachine has a history of loopholing and subverting rules.

[Linkcat]

I am not aware of any previous incidents. Can you point them out to me?

[killsdazombies]

this entire mafia is under the brand of "all rules are subjective, the host is god" Sky herself changed the rules to make it legal. Calm down dd. I agree it was sour, and I do disagree with subs choices. Do I think he deserves a perma or even extended ban? god no. He should be warned and we should move on. If the game was more serious I'd see him banned for a game or two at most, but I think you're overreacting.


I do see where you're coming from though, it is... deplorable. I just disagree with your reaction.

[ddevans96]

Sky herself changed the rules to make it legal.

Cheating should go above the host. Everything else, fine, let the host do what they want. Revealing information after death and throwing the game are the two things that should always be disallowed and punished.

[ddevans96]

I am not aware of any previous incidents. Can you point them out to me?

I recall several, but honestly I'm just tired of this whole incident so I don't really care to look for them. I just wanted to make my opinion known.

[skyironsword]

Nevermind. Let's ban Submachine.

[UTAlan]

2 rule proposals:

1) If you request to be modkilled (maybe if you're modkilled at all?), you are banned for 1 mafia.
2) All standard mafia rules that apply in a given mafia must be included in the host's OP to ensure everyone understands which rules apply.

[Demagog]

Unless the host says those rules don't apply.

Basically what it should be is that if the rule is not in the rules post, it is not part of the game. That way there will never be any questions. If a rule is missing and you think it should be in there, tell the host during game voting or sign ups. We review rules before games get approved for a reason, and this is that reason.

[skyironsword]

They did apply. They always applied. I was trying to get Sub out of his punishment.