Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks

[kaempfer13]

Very nice, looks like we got 2 mostly confirmed mechanical reads this night! Though its not worth claiming them yet.

[kaempfer13]

I think it would be better to double check a claim that could be framed.

Also we should try to explore Legionnaires crossing streams to get potential liers, since scum didn't got any Legionnaires

Well, gotta get the ball rolling somehow. I could see this point being raised by scum, as it would bind Omegon for an extended amount of time (at least 2 phases) and perhaps not act on a red check.
Additionaly, crossing streams (meaning targeting the same person) is exactly not how to catch liars with this role. If we want someone to prove they are legionaire in a night after a claim, we should select a target for them and ask them to give a result, without the target indicating if and who they target (ingo pech is a problem though, as it gives an out). Otherwise having legionaires spread out tends to give more information. not that we could really coordinate that anyway (Correction: I can think of a way of working with signuplists and target x if you are legionaire. This method is strictly beneficial to scum).

[kaempfer13]

Legionnaires crossing streams does sound like a legit place to start.... When would you want them to start revealing targets?

Same question goes to you. What even is the plan here? Have a designated target for every legionaire? That falls apart after the first claim.

[serprex]

v: serprex

n+: RootRanger, kaempfer13, timpa, mobian
4 people & myself bothered to consider the ruleset & plan

n: shock
Waiting for his galaxy brain throw before I read him n+

n?: www3, oa, wyand, marsmoons
Not enough content to read

n-: Linkcat
Linkcat always refuses to cooperate with me & yet in mafia cast admitted I was reading things pretty well
There's an argument to NL given miss. First digit is population after phase with D1 lynch, second digit is population after phase with D1 no lynch. The latter gives a lynch D4. & with this time is more time for Omegon to confirm town. It's also important to end on a lynch instead of a NK given Harrowing

N0 99
D1 89
N1 78
D2 67
N2 56
D3 45
N3 34
D4 23

So here's the dumb plan for kaempfer or root to counter for Linkcat:

No Lynch (1) - serprex

[kaempfer13]

3. If a lynch is tied, a dice will be rolled publicly in blab chat to determine who is lynched. There must be a lynch. If there are no votes on any players by end of a Day phase, all players will be treated as tied.

No need. its illegall

[serprex]

EBWOP: whoops off by one errors (the two hardest things in programming are variable naming, cache invalidation & off by one errors), we'd end with 2 on end of D4, so NL is bad

Linkcat (1) - serprex

Hoping to get better reads on my n? category, but for now I'll go with my scummiest read, since it seems Linkcat needs a have near death experience to inspire contribution

n+ reads will take time, Root/kae solving is NAI, but don't need votes needling them to post

edit: & oh right MasterWalks is sheeping my No No Lynch rules

[Mobian]

Legionnaires crossing streams does sound like a legit place to start.... When would you want them to start revealing targets?

Same question goes to you. What even is the plan here? Have a designated target for every legionaire? That falls apart after the first claim.

Welp, we all know I'm a rookie at best, but I was thinking if 2 Leg target the same person, but report different results, that would give us an idea as to who to start looking at as being sus. If both return with the same target, we have confirmed townies.

But as I'm sitting here typing that, what stops scum from just repeating the townie claim? The plan does require some revision.

@MW, I suppose sharing screenshots of mod PMs are illegal, huh?

[Mobian]

Yup, Rule #3. Suppose that would make it too easy. Oh wells, back to the drawing board!

[serprex]

[andretimpa]

I think it would be better to double check a claim that could be framed.

Also we should try to explore Legionnaires crossing streams to get potential liers, since scum didn't got any Legionnaires

Well, gotta get the ball rolling somehow. I could see this point being raised by scum, as it would bind Omegon for an extended amount of time (at least 2 phases) and perhaps not act on a red check.
Additionaly, crossing streams (meaning targeting the same person) is exactly not how to catch liars with this role. If we want someone to prove they are legionaire in a night after a claim, we should select a target for them and ask them to give a result, without the target indicating if and who they target (ingo pech is a problem though, as it gives an out). Otherwise having legionaires spread out tends to give more information. not that we could really coordinate that anyway (Correction: I can think of a way of working with signuplists and target x if you are legionaire. This method is strictly beneficial to scum).

Exactly because we can't coordinate there will inevitably be targets that are the same. We can't do the same thing we did last game where we claim every round (it worked badly anyway), but it still leaves the door open for counterclaims.

Your idea seems more suited for a situation where someone claimed to be a Legionnaire to get out of a lynch. A point to think about that is whether we should even consider claiming Legionnaire in this situation to be a pro-town move, since claiming Legionnaire, getting out of a lynch and getting other townie lynched removes 2 people instead of 1 from the scum PoE for our power roles.

[Mobian]

You are a fan of your nautical rules, aren't you, Serprex?

Oh gods, I just realized with as much as they bicker, a SerpCat scum team would be really nasty for us.......

[andretimpa]

Welp, we all know I'm a rookie at best, but I was thinking if 2 Leg target the same person, but report different results, that would give us an idea as to who to start looking at as being sus. If both return with the same target, we have confirmed townies.

But as I'm sitting here typing that, what stops scum from just repeating the townie claim? The plan does require some revision.

Diverging counterclaims are a sign that something is suspicious. Agreeing claims could mean a lot of different things, not enough to confirm anyone.