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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307590#msg1307590
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2022, 06:32:37 pm »
Legionnaires crossing streams does sound like a legit place to start.... When would you want them to start revealing targets?
Same question goes to you. What even is the plan here? Have a designated target for every legionaire? That falls apart after the first claim.

Welp, we all know I'm a rookie at best, but I was thinking if 2 Leg target the same person, but report different results, that would give us an idea as to who to start looking at as being sus. If both return with the same target, we have confirmed townies.

I already mentioned this earlier, but it seems you hadnt noticed. crosstreams arent required, the targeted person also already knows what they did :)
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307591#msg1307591
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2022, 06:35:12 pm »
You asked what my thought process was. I now fully agree it's a shit plan. Just not sure how to get started and find the scum.

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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307592#msg1307592
« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2022, 06:47:11 pm »
I'd like to get something else sorted out: the spelling of Legionare [sic]

I assume it's from https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ur-legionaries

But that only shows the plural form. Meanwhile MW posted singular in rules
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Primarch or a Legionare

But Google autocorrect is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionnaire_(film)

Which Mobian agrees with using plural Legionnaires, & timpa used Legionnaire

Meanwhile kaempfer goes with legionaire, though he's also used legionare

Root uses legionarie & legionaries

It's maddening

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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307593#msg1307593
« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2022, 06:47:43 pm »
I already mentioned this earlier, but it seems you hadnt noticed. crosstreams arent required, the targeted person also already knows what they did :)

I somehow missed this while thinking. It doesn't exclude 2 scum buddies coordinating (one claiming to have targetted the other), but that sounds like a very risky play to me.
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307594#msg1307594
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2022, 06:48:10 pm »
EBWOP kaempf has not used "legionare"

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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307595#msg1307595
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2022, 06:48:54 pm »
I'd like to get something else sorted out: the spelling of Legionare [sic]

I assume it's from https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ur-legionaries

But that only shows the plural form. Meanwhile MW posted singular in rules
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Primarch or a Legionare

But Google autocorrect is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionnaire_(film)

Which Mobian agrees with using plural Legionnaires, & timpa used Legionnaire

Meanwhile kaempfer goes with legionaire, though he's also used legionare

Root uses legionarie & legionaries

It's maddening

How about Leg on air?
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307596#msg1307596
« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2022, 06:58:57 pm »

Exactly because we can't coordinate there will inevitably be targets that are the same. We can't do the same thing we did last game where we claim every round (it worked badly anyway), but it still leaves the door open for counterclaims.

Your idea seems more suited for a situation where someone claimed to be a Legionnaire to get out of a lynch. A point to think about that is whether we should even consider claiming Legionnaire in this situation to be a pro-town move, since claiming Legionnaire, getting out of a lynch and getting other townie lynched removes 2 people instead of 1 from the scum PoE for our power roles.
But then it isnt really a strategy other than keeping your cards close to your chest until the right moment, so speculating on it seems sort of moot. Additionally, thats really not what it sounded like you wanted. 1) It sounded like you specifically wanted to force the scenario somehow
2) ignoring 1), whats the use of speculating on it early? I think if it even accomplished anything other that waste time, then it would help scum avoid a scenario where they get caught in a lie moreso then the opposite.
3) in case of a fakeclaim the claimed targets are witness enough (unless its the scumpartner but thats at least as risky).


The second point, assuming a misslynch necessarily follows an exonerating claim is a fallacy. assuming the claim is credible, the difference between claim and no claim are
1) all the information contained therein (including getting confirmed town and not directly relevant for a wincodition, as well as giving all the targets observed (if claimed, may choose to limit the information shared, but that reduces credibility))
2) replacing a misslynch with another lynch (statistically still town ofc, but i like any odds of hitting scum better than 0%)

without 2 its probably not worth it, but 2) matters far more than you think
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307597#msg1307597
« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2022, 07:03:01 pm »
@kae
I had somehow missed the target being a witness. With that my speculation basicaly amounts to Legionnaires should not holster.
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307598#msg1307598
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2022, 07:09:29 pm »
I'd like to get something else sorted out: the spelling of Legionare [sic]

I assume it's from https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ur-legionaries

But that only shows the plural form. Meanwhile MW posted singular in rules
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Primarch or a Legionare

But Google autocorrect is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionnaire_(film)

Which Mobian agrees with using plural Legionnaires, & timpa used Legionnaire

Meanwhile kaempfer goes with legionaire, though he's also used legionare

Root uses legionarie & legionaries

It's maddening

Linkcat told me I misspelled it when I sent him the initial write up. I changed it to whatever autocorrect told me.
Also, it's not connected to the lore link you sent. It's just the adjective to Alpha Legion.
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307599#msg1307599
« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2022, 07:13:38 pm »
All in favor of Legionnaire?

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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307600#msg1307600
« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2022, 07:16:29 pm »
it seems its actually Legionary/Legionaries
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307601#msg1307601
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2022, 07:22:46 pm »
legionary/legionaries (1) - serprex

 

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