Elements Mafia 78 - by serprex

[RootRanger]

@MasterWalks

I pointed out the andre was making higher quality posts than everyone else because andre was making higher quality posts than everyone else. The rest of the group (aside from kae) was at best talking about lynching cultists or at worst not even understanding how the rules work.

Also, why would Linkcat lie about targeting late in the same post he's admitting to being scum?

@kae

Giving him extreme benefit of the doubt, it could be a 300iq play where he's actually a cultist and dies to convince the civs that one of the cult leaders is dead. But then his team would be down a member compared to the other cult.

[MasterWalks]

I'm on mobile, just started my shift at work so it won't be pretty.

Here's the thing, Oa, CoolKid, and now dead W3 are all variables. We cannot get solid reads on them, regardless of how much you look.
Shock is unpredictable, but rarely a liar. If he's claiming cult, I'm willing to believe it. I'm down to hear how he isn't.
Andre and Kae are probably the most helpful, but that doesn't mean not a cultist. In fact, Andre wouldn't be a bad target for recruitment, but cultists don't really matter here. I don't get leader reads from either. Kae could've been recruited, but I think that's a bad recruit. Too active, too much attention.

I'm town. Not cultist yet either.

Link is semi confirmed leader.

As for Root, early game Root was the post judge. He sat back and decided who was useful publicly. This is a pretty power move from a leader. By forcing attention on certain people, he can hopefully influence the other leader. I think he wants kae or Andre to be recruited so he can kill them. Later, root gets pretty defensive on me from some pretty minor pressure. Root has played games with me in the past, and knows my reputation. He knows I have to fight tooth and nail to get anyone to listen to my proposals. Very interesting thing to defend.
According to Kae's Lynch log, and today's votes, Root hasn't started a wagon. He simply joins them. Maybe this is deadline/TZ conflicting, but Kae when we were scum we always piled on wagons and rarely started our own. as scum this is the best way to influence who gets killed without looking too sus.

[serprex]

Actually is there even an alignement link could have where he isnt breaking rule 6?

That's for me to decide

[kaempfer13]

@RR paradox alert:
assuming rules were strictly enforced (granted they arent), if absence of a modkill can only occur in one alignement, then that play would be a dead giveaway for the alignement, which in turn would be gamethrowing again.

[kaempfer13]

I'm on mobile, just started my shift at work so it won't be pretty.

Here's the thing, Oa, CoolKid, and now dead W3 are all variables. We cannot get solid reads on them, regardless of how much you look.
Hence we cant take them of the table either. except for w3, who  definitely was a twice recruited towny (timepoint of first recruitment undetermined I suppose, but i dont think its worth getting a towny distracted to check, unless that already happened).
Shock is unpredictable, but rarely a liar. If he's claiming cult, I'm willing to believe it. I'm down to hear how he isn't.
he totally can lie, though the arbitrary "correct" solutions to his "puzzles" are always true. I do believe him here though. And we know I would be his disciple if he were a leader . It's the law.
Andre and Kae are probably the most helpful, but that doesn't mean not a cultist. In fact, Andre wouldn't be a bad target for recruitment, but cultists don't really matter here. I don't get leader reads from either. Kae could've been recruited, but I think that's a bad recruit. Too active, too much attention.
I will not openly speculate about optimal recruitment strategy (unless it is highly relevant to solving). Towny or cultist are both missed opportunities for the lynch though.

I'm town. Not cultist yet either.

Link is semi confirmed leader.
So it would seem.

As for Root, early game Root was the post judge. He sat back and decided who was useful publicly. This is a pretty power move from a leader.
Meh. You can make a very similiar argument about just being plain inactive.By forcing attention on certain people, he can hopefully influence the other leader. Uh, maybeI think he wants kae or Andre to be recruited so he can kill them Iirc, he favors new recruits over killing cultists for the leader strat. according to what he said anyway, which sounded genuine.. Later, root gets pretty defensive on me from some pretty minor pressure. Root has played games with me in the past, and knows my reputation. He knows I have to fight tooth and nail to get anyone to listen to my proposals. Very interesting thing to defend.
Uh no. You gave minimal actual input (regarding his case, though its still better than what the average person does here) whilst maintaining this read and he finally reacted (fairly composed and rational) after 3 days
According to Kae's Lynch log, and today's votes, Root hasn't started a wagon. He simply joins them. Maybe this is deadline/TZ conflicting, but Kae when we were scum we always piled on wagons and rarely started our own. as scum this is the best way to influence who gets killed without looking too sus.
Well, only 1 Person can start any given wagon. Personally, i generally am not particularly trigger happy and cast my votes late, when the wagons have already started. I think Root is the same? Wouldnt read too much into it. However, he could be using me as sort of a free extra cultist by following my vote consistently.

Not really convinced.

[MasterWalks]

That's probably the nicest you've been to me about a big post 

Convinced or not, I'd love to hear a better alternative leader.

[kaempfer13]

oh yh, looking back he was actually offended that you questioned his activity/value early on. A decently strong reaction, but in the "I'm the only one that actually did anything other than eggposting, yet you pick me out for low content" way.

[MasterWalks]

Did anyone target Root?
Only respond if he came back town.

Did anyone target Kae?
Only respond if he came back cultist

Did anyone target shock?
Respond either way

[kaempfer13]

Given that these 2 struggle to make any content i would wait with reveals until after Oa and coolkid checked in, with results if they got nothing else to offer. At least if that doesnt cost all the daytime.

[MasterWalks]

CoolKid is borderline scum read. Like N-.
Posting just enough to not be mod killed (1post) and it's absolutely useless. Ye great discussions that you're not a part of.

Either CoolKid is scum instead of Root, or he got recruited N0. Highly doubt he got recruited.
Bruh, post a read list or something. Literally anything that's not super useless and neutral. Claim cultist, claim town, claim you're actually reading the thread. It's a bastard mod game with a bastard admin breaking any rule he can. Not like you need to think this game through too hard.

[serprex]

It's hard to break the rules when you make them

Here, let me help town & create a new rule: if more than two thirds of players agree to lynch the least active player, based on total vowels posted & least jokes told that I find funny, that person dies as an additional lynch that day

Out with these "i want to play" "oh shit you mean i have to read shit?" players

I get it, reading is hard, it took me eight years to learn <- this is an example of a joke I find funny

[Linkcat]

Linkcat (3) - MasterWalks, andretimpa, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat

dude i wasnt even voting you yet. Be it selfpres, policy lynch or your 2 major giveaways or omgus, i have enough reason to vote you.

Oh shit, I actually thought you were voting me.