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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098668#msg1098668
« Reply #156 on: September 23, 2013, 03:05:34 am »
If it were obvious, I wouldn't being doing my job right.

But yes, you are missing something, or I would be cheating. It is not my intention to make this an impossible game. I'm not holding back the difficulty, but I would still like to see someone solve it.

Good luck!
Here's a quick summary of why you have apparently made it impossible. Prod me in the right direction to my logic flaw, or I'll start following up.
 
The crux of the impossibility is, there are no traces of anyone ever leaving, but per the red truths, anyone who goes out of a room MUST leave a trace, given the "perfect seal" truths. And since you've eliminated any possibility of anyone being killed outside the rooms, someone must have entered, and therefore exited the rooms. So basically, what you are asking us to do is assert that someone entered the rooms and didn't enter the rooms at the same time.
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098670#msg1098670
« Reply #157 on: September 23, 2013, 03:36:22 am »
ill started by labelling the rooms A, B and C
the culprit started in room A and killed the cousin in there. he then unlocked the window and went out the door and sneaked over to room C where the door was open. he then locked the door and killed the person inside. he then unlocked the window and snuck into room B where the window was open and killed the poor cousin inside. he then went back to room A from through the window and locked both door and window. in the morning, when you broke the window to check the room, the culprit came out of his hiding spot and escaped without you noticing. that step was repeated for rooms B and C

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098672#msg1098672
« Reply #158 on: September 23, 2013, 03:51:09 am »
ill started by labelling the rooms A, B and C
the culprit started in room A and killed the cousin in there. he then unlocked the window and went out the door and sneaked over to room C where the door was open. he then locked the door and killed the person inside. he then unlocked the window and snuck into room B where the window was open and killed the poor cousin inside. he then went back to room A from through the window and locked both door and window. in the morning, when you broke the window to check the room, the culprit came out of his hiding spot and escaped without you noticing. that step was repeated for rooms B and C

But then room C's window would be open...

also:
- When you checked and entered each guestroom, other than you and the respective cousin, no human existed within the room.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098676#msg1098676
« Reply #159 on: September 23, 2013, 04:28:51 am »
oh well, its something to work from

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098678#msg1098678
« Reply #160 on: September 23, 2013, 05:09:38 am »
Who's the designated observer in case we have to check for logical integrity?
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098679#msg1098679
« Reply #161 on: September 23, 2013, 05:11:25 am »
We haven't assigned one yet.

We can call one if you really don't trust me though.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098680#msg1098680
« Reply #162 on: September 23, 2013, 05:25:25 am »
would now be a good time to ask for details about the windows????
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098687#msg1098687
« Reply #163 on: September 23, 2013, 06:12:15 am »
Is there something specific you want to know about them?

They are relatively ordinary windows. They open outwards (as I've said) and locked with a simple latching mechanism.

Each of the windows is large enough that it's relatively easy to step through them when opened.

They are divided with a horizontal crossbeam down the middle, so smashing the window will only leave enough space to unlock it (as you did in the story).

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098688#msg1098688
« Reply #164 on: September 23, 2013, 06:35:37 am »
Shame. I knew there would be some red truth I'd missed.

Everything before the theory should be true though assuming I've not misinterpreted one of the red truths. Following logically from what has been said it seems a living person has to be inside a room at the moment it becomes sealed. If at some point a room is still sealed and there isn't a living person inside then either;
- the person who sealed the room died while the room was sealed or,
- it's possible to leave a sealed room without breaking any of the seals.
If neither of these are true then there was never a point at which the room was perfectly sealed with only a dead body inside.

Is there a hole anywhere in this logic?

I think (and has been said before by others) that the only thing not forbidden by red truths is that it's possible to leave through a sealed window. Red truths so far only forbid to enter through them, iirc.
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098691#msg1098691
« Reply #165 on: September 23, 2013, 07:34:30 am »
We haven't assigned one yet.

We can call one if you really don't trust me though.
I can be the observer if you really would need one. Since I have followed all the red truths and the stories till now, and don't have that much desire to play anymore, I can check if it's still possible to solve this puzzle with something that's logic.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098725#msg1098725
« Reply #166 on: September 23, 2013, 02:24:43 pm »
The kids aren't dead and with this, there is no culprit.

Each kid made (or baught) his very own life size dead body dummy. They had the idea last summer and wanted to scare the zanzarino out of the little cousin.
With this, it's rather easy and straight forward what happened: they went out through the window and to the car in order to fetch their dummys. Then pulled them back into the room, stabbed the "victim" with a knife and poured a ridiculous ammount of blood around the room. Then they each hid in the bathroom.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098753#msg1098753
« Reply #167 on: September 23, 2013, 08:25:19 pm »
The kids aren't dead and with this, there is no culprit.
Each kid made (or baught) his very own life size dead body dummy. They had the idea last summer and wanted to scare the zanzarino out of the little cousin.
With this, it's rather easy and straight forward what happened: they went out through the window and to the car in order to fetch their dummys. Then pulled them back into the room, stabbed the "victim" with a knife and poured a ridiculous ammount of blood around the room. Then they each hid in the bathroom.


I was also wondering why the cousins would want to sleep in the guest house knowing about the witch, and why they went to sleep so abruptly after telling the protagonist about the witch. But the theory is invalid:

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