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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098130#msg1098130
« Reply #96 on: September 20, 2013, 07:43:31 am »
Assuming that this:
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- No form of autonomous device or artificial intelligence is capable perfectly sealing a door or window. I will extend this to weather, natural forces, animals or any other method which does not require the direct action of a human or use of magic.
*The definition of a "direct action" required to perfectly seal a door or window includes a prerequisite of direct physical contact. Any inclusion of a device or third party to seal a window is considered indirect.
is meant to say the same as:
Only a human can perfectly seal a door or window. Anthing that is not human can not perfectly seal a door or window.

This leaves actually just one possible solution: The one who sealed each door are the now dead boys. The culprit was actually outside the room while the boy died. To not contradict the red truth:
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- No method exists through which it is possible to kill someone inside one of the guestrooms from outside the room.
the culprit must have set up a trap which activates when the victim enters the bed. (remote controlled would contradict the red truth)

So it could have happened like this: The kids sealed their doors, opened their windows and took a shower. During that time the C enters the room through the window, sets up the kill trap, then leaves through the window again. When the kids are finished showering, they close the window and got to bead where they die in a very bloody way.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098141#msg1098141
« Reply #97 on: September 20, 2013, 09:08:14 am »
no more than 1 culprit


- No more than two culprits exist.


you did not explain how movement was done from room to room with locked doors and windows
... the first witch dashes quickly to the 3rd room and ambushes the 3rd cousin.

I'm sorry i missed the locking mechanism part.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098143#msg1098143
« Reply #98 on: September 20, 2013, 09:14:30 am »

- No more than one culprit exists in this game.


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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098197#msg1098197
« Reply #99 on: September 20, 2013, 03:27:53 pm »



- No more than two culprits exist.



... the first witch dashes quickly to the 3rd room and ambushes the 3rd cousin.

I'm sorry i missed the locking mechanism part.
she added later "no more than one"

dashes to other room does not explain you got into each of the rooms considering they are perfect seals and the main character did not wake up.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098272#msg1098272
« Reply #100 on: September 20, 2013, 09:12:55 pm »
Assuming that this:
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- No form of autonomous device or artificial intelligence is capable perfectly sealing a door or window. I will extend this to weather, natural forces, animals or any other method which does not require the direct action of a human or use of magic.
*The definition of a "direct action" required to perfectly seal a door or window includes a prerequisite of direct physical contact. Any inclusion of a device or third party to seal a window is considered indirect.
is meant to say the same as:
Only a human can perfectly seal a door or window. Anthing that is not human can not perfectly seal a door or window.

This leaves actually just one possible solution: The one who sealed each door are the now dead boys. The culprit was actually outside the room while the boy died. To not contradict the red truth:
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- No method exists through which it is possible to kill someone inside one of the guestrooms from outside the room.
the culprit must have set up a trap which activates when the victim enters the bed. (remote controlled would contradict the red truth)

So it could have happened like this: The kids sealed their doors, opened their windows and took a shower. During that time the C enters the room through the window, sets up the kill trap, then leaves through the window again. When the kids are finished showering, they close the window and got to bead where they die in a very bloody way.


This leaves actually just one possible solution:

Music to my ears.

The moment when each victim died, both the murderer and the culprit were in the same room.

Each victim was stabbed by a knife. No other method of murder was used.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098300#msg1098300
« Reply #101 on: September 21, 2013, 01:15:51 am »
The moment when each victim died, both the murderer and the culprit were in the same room.

Do you mean this?
The moment when each victim died, both the victim and the culprit were in the same room.

Otherwise this doesn't really say anything. I'm guessing that's what you meant but I have to check you're not just being tricksy.

As to the actual murders, the murder part itself isn't necessarily too difficult. The cousins could easily have their windows open during the night (it being summer after all) and the culprit could get in that way or one of many other things. The difficult part is how they then sealed the rooms. At the moment this part seems impossible but, assuming there is a logical solution to this, that means there's probably an incorrect assumption I've made somewhere or a loophole in the red truth. Unfortunately that means combing through a wall of red text.

A couple of things I wouldn't mind clarification on. You've mentioned that the windows cannot be perfectly sealed from the outside but have not quite said the same for the doors. Therefore is it possible to perfectly seal a guestroom door from the outside? Also, did we leave the common room, or the guesthouse itself, at any point during the night (perhaps to go sleepwalking or to find a bathroom as we don't seem to have one at the moment)?

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098337#msg1098337
« Reply #102 on: September 21, 2013, 05:20:28 am »
Whoops.

And I was trying to hard to be careful about these...

Fortunately, that red truth is still valid despite my error.

I will restate the red truth:

The moment when each victim died, both the murderer and the victim were in the same room.

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Therefore is it possible to perfectly seal a guestroom door from the outside?

I will acknowledge it in red.

As no keys to the guestroom doors exist, no method exists through which it is possible to perfectly seal a guestroom door from outside the guestroom.

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Also, did we leave the common room, or the guesthouse itself, at any point during the night (perhaps to go sleepwalking or to find a bathroom as we don't seem to have one at the moment)?

I will acknowledge it in red.

From the moment you entered the guesthouse until the moment you woke up in the morning the next day, not once did you leave the guesthouse.

At this point the wall of red text is tricky to comb through. You can use it as reference, but I will recommend simply reading through the thread. If you don't have the time to do so, from this point the game will be very difficult to play.
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098348#msg1098348
« Reply #103 on: September 21, 2013, 05:51:57 am »
something must be inside the room to be able to seal the door from the inside...

are humans the only things able to perfectly seal a door or window?
were the doors unlocked at the time of falling asleep?

random blue truth for now, wont really reveal anything

the culprit climbed onto the roof at the time of the event then removed tiles leading to the bathroom. (s)he then jumped down onto the sink and went into the room where (s)he killed the person inside. (s)he then went back into the bathroom and escaped through the hole in which (s)he entered and tiled it back up. that was repeated for the other cousins in the other rooms.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098350#msg1098350
« Reply #104 on: September 21, 2013, 05:58:13 am »
OK, so looking at what we have here, we can say that:

The guestroom doors could not have been opened by the murderer nor by the murderer knocking.
The window could have been left opened for the murderer to access through, however the murderer could not leave through the windows.
The murderer could not leave through the windows or the doors.

This leads me to believe that there is another way in and out of the rooms. These methods could be a skylight in the roof, a ventalation system, a plumbing system. The murderer entered through either the windows (left open whilst the cousins sleep) or these methods and then left via on of these methods.

Also, is the fact that there are 3 cousins significant? Does the solution require 3 rooms with 3 cousins or is it just the same process repeated 3 times?
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098355#msg1098355
« Reply #105 on: September 21, 2013, 06:17:38 am »
Once again, I repeat the red truth.

- Other than through a door or window, there exists no method through which it is possible for a human to enter any of the three guestrooms.
*There is also no such method to leave the rooms.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098363#msg1098363
« Reply #106 on: September 21, 2013, 07:20:57 am »
A person with a long rod bored a hole through the wall and took the keys using the rod. Then, using these keys, they entered the guesthouse, used more holes to unlock the sliding blots with the rod, then walked in and did the killing, then the attacker undid everything, with the help of the rod, and patched up all the holes before leaving.

Kinda roundabout from my perspective, but we have to come up with crazy conspiracy theories to win >_>
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1098365#msg1098365
« Reply #107 on: September 21, 2013, 07:27:32 am »
One thing that still has loopholes in it is this:

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- No form of autonomous device or artificial intelligence is capable perfectly sealing a door or window. I will extend this to weather, natural forces, animals or any other method which does not require the direct action of a human or use of magic.
*The definition of a "direct action" required to perfectly seal a door or window includes a prerequisite of direct physical contact. Any inclusion of a device or third party to seal a window is considered indirect.
So I'd like to have confirmation that this actuall means:
Only a human can perfectly seal a door or window by direct physical contact. Anything non human can not perfectly seal a door or window.

-> Culprit gets inside, kills kid, goes outside and seals the window with a non-autonomous device which was set up by a prerequisite of direct physical contact.
Then repeat for the other 2 kids.



« Last Edit: September 21, 2013, 07:42:31 am by Kakerlake »

 

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