The Witch's Game - By EvaRia

[Mort]

Isn't it possible for the guesthouse to be connected to -but not part of- the mansion?

[eljoemo]

- There are small differences, but for the purposes of this game this image is an accurate representation of the layout of the guesthouse. [LINK]

I'm not sure whether this map disproves that the guesthouse is attached to the mansion. How are you suggesting? Any secret passage is forbidden and other ways into the guesthouse are covered if i'm not mistaken.

[Mort]

That the door to Bill's room might lead to some big room, containing the first-floor room.

[xyan]

That the door to Bill's room might lead to some big room, containing the first-floor room.

no, the reds also say owner is in master bedroom of mansion which is on 2nd floor, while also saying in great detail that the guesthouse is 1 floor building

[Kakerlake]

Spoiler for Hidden:

- Each of the three bodies you discovered was unmistakably dead.

- The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.

- The one and only culprit is your cousin Bill!

- In this game, a culprit cannot die.

I think the point is that the body in Bill's room is a Bill-shaped dummy which Bill owns (it therefore 'belongs' to Bill) and Bill is still alive somewhere.

At no point in this game does one character attempt to disguise themselves as another.
As such, there are no circumstances in which you would mistake one character for someone else.
- When you checked and entered each guestroom, other than you and the respective cousin, no human existed within the room.
- A "victim" in this game is defined as a human in the story who has been murdered by one of the game's culprits.
People really were murdered.
There are exactly three victims in this game!
-The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.
The body which you discovered in Fred's room belongs to Fred.
The body which you discovered in Bob's room belongs to Bob.
- When you checked and entered each guestroom, other than you and the respective cousin, no human existed within the room.
Your memory is accurate to the narration in the story.
In this game, a culprit cannot die.
From the moment you parted ways, the owner of the mansion never actually left the mansion.

if you add these reds to the quoted reds above, the reds contradict your red of bill being the culprit through the fact that bill is a victim as the owner did not leave the mansion and the rooms the detective checked were the guestrooms and the respective cousins were there (and dead, as no living person other than the detective was in the room when it was checked).

at least one red truth is a lie and not a truth or the culprit cannot be any of characters mentioned in the story (which another red truth says otherwise).

I am not questioning your integrity, but I think there was a mistake with at least the wording of one or more reds. Clarification please.

Lemme tell you what's wrong with your assumptions:

bill being the culprit through the fact that bill is a victim

The dead body found belongs to the cousin. But it ISN'T the cousin!
See it this way: The dummy of the Body is a wooden block with the face of the cousin painted on it. The wooden block is obviously dead aka. not living. It belongs to the cousin, as that cousin beaught that wooden block from a marked.
Now replace "Wooden Block" with real looking dummy. voilá! Bill is alive and healthy (at least body wise), doesn't count as victim and will be immortal since a culprit can't die.

and the respective cousins were there (and dead, as no living person other than the detective was in the room when it was checked)

Who said that the cousins found there were dead? I see no red truth saying that.
The detective found dead dummys and the cousins were hiding in the shower (the detective didn't see them, it's the witch that tells us that). no other human was inside the room.
Also, Bill really was inside the room when the detective checked the room, but afterwards Bill left that room through the broken window. He probably killed the Owner afterwards.


Let's see how the owner died, as we know so very much about it, guess it's time to squeeze out a bunch of red truths again.

The window to the bedroom is open. Bill entered and exited that.
Replace "Window" with Chimney, or whatever.
Just gimme the red truth saying "Perfect Seal" and only the door can be opened.


After the guesthouse incident, Bill rang the doorbell, the Owner opened, and Bill killed the owner right there, after coming inside. Bill then pulled the body into the bedroom, locked the door and did lewd stuff with the body and will stay there for eternity.

@EvaRia aka Witch,
How do we know the owner is dead? Tell a story of how the detective found the body.

[xyan]

Lemme tell you what's wrong with your assumptions:

bill being the culprit through the fact that bill is a victim

The dead body found belongs to the cousin. But it ISN'T the cousin!
See it this way: The dummy of the Body is a wooden block with the face of the cousin painted on it. The wooden block is obviously dead aka. not living. It belongs to the cousin, as that cousin beaught that wooden block from a marked.
Now replace "Wooden Block" with real looking dummy. voilá! Bill is alive and healthy (at least body wise), doesn't count as victim and will be immortal since a culprit can't die.

and the respective cousins were there (and dead, as no living person other than the detective was in the room when it was checked)

Who said that the cousins found there were dead? I see no red truth saying that.
The detective found dead dummys and the cousins were hiding in the shower (the detective didn't see them, it's the witch that tells us that). no other human was inside the room.
Also, Bill really was inside the room when the detective checked the room, but afterwards Bill left that room through the broken window. He probably killed the Owner afterwards.

UM, red truths say: - Each of the three bodies you discovered was unmistakably dead.
-The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.
The body which you discovered in Fred's room belongs to Fred.
The body which you discovered in Bob's room belongs to Bob.
- Your memory aside, people really were murdered.
- There are exactly three victims in this game!

and of course the reds I stated before, but these specifically say Bill actually died - plus the other reds I posted say this Bill is the cousin Bill not the owner. and if the 3 cousins died, how can the owner be a victim as well?
and once again: a culprit cannot die.

[Kakerlake]

Spoiler for Hidden:

Lemme tell you what's wrong with your assumptions:

bill being the culprit through the fact that bill is a victim

The dead body found belongs to the cousin. But it ISN'T the cousin!
See it this way: The dummy of the Body is a wooden block with the face of the cousin painted on it. The wooden block is obviously dead aka. not living. It belongs to the cousin, as that cousin beaught that wooden block from a marked.
Now replace "Wooden Block" with real looking dummy. voilá! Bill is alive and healthy (at least body wise), doesn't count as victim and will be immortal since a culprit can't die.

and the respective cousins were there (and dead, as no living person other than the detective was in the room when it was checked)

Who said that the cousins found there were dead? I see no red truth saying that.
The detective found dead dummys and the cousins were hiding in the shower (the detective didn't see them, it's the witch that tells us that). no other human was inside the room.
Also, Bill really was inside the room when the detective checked the room, but afterwards Bill left that room through the broken window. He probably killed the Owner afterwards.

UM, red truths say: - Each of the three bodies you discovered was unmistakably dead.
-The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.
The body which you discovered in Fred's room belongs to Fred.
The body which you discovered in Bob's room belongs to Bob.
- Your memory aside, people really were murdered.
- There are exactly three victims in this game!

and of course the reds I stated before, but these specifically say Bill actually died - plus the other reds I posted say this Bill is the cousin Bill not the owner. and if the 3 cousins died, how can the owner be a victim as well?
and once again: a culprit cannot die.

Nope, the red truths don't say Bill (cousin) died. I'm not so sure how exactly you came to that conclusion, I thought it pretty covered with my explanation. I'll just go through the red truths you posted here in detail:
- Each of the three bodies you discovered was unmistakably dead.
You discovered the dead dummies, which are obviously not living. They might have been made out of plastic or meat from some animal, in any case, the bodies do not count as human beings or dead human beings.
- At no point in this game does one character attempt to disguise themselves as another.
- As such, there are no circumstances in which you would mistake one character for someone else.
The dummies don't defy this rule, since it's only forbidden for a character (that's pretty much per defenition something that was once alive) to disguise as someone else. A dummy which never was alive can not be considered a character and as such can still be mistaken as a living person.
- The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.
- The body which you discovered in Fred's room belongs to Fred.
- The body which you discovered in Bob's room belongs to Bob.
Yeah, well they beaught (made?) the dummy, they own the dummy.
- Your memory aside, people really were murdered.
- A "victim" in this game is defined as a human in the story who has been murdered by one of the game's culprits.
- There are exactly three victims in this game!
- In this game, a culprit cannot die.
As discovered, Bob, Fred and the Housekeeper Bill are dead.
Bill (cousin) is still alive.
- When you checked and entered each guestroom, other than you and the respective cousin, no human existed within the room.
You found the dummies. You thought they were the cousins, even though in reality the real cousins were only hiding in the bathroom (alive) and the dummy wasn't a human being.

If you still think the red truths are invalid, please give me the clear thinking process you went through. Maybe I'm overlooking something here.

[xyan]

Well, the housekeeper never left the mansion according to reds, and you didn't check a mansion room. I think a red also says no one living was in the room (but that's only a discrepancy with what you said "cousins hiding in the bathroom alive").

now if the owner happened to be in guestroom checked by being moved and it is clarified by evaria (if it is true then I misinterpreted the red about him not leaving the mansion) or evaria clarifies that the detective could mistake a dummy for Bill (through "unmistakably dead" and "memory is accurate to the story") or evaria acknowledges that another circumstance for this particular detail is part of the unsolved mystery, then I will retract my doubt and apologize for being too skeptical and naggy. After all, semantics make the world go round.

[Kakerlake]

Well, the housekeeper never left the mansion according to reds, and you didn't check a mansion room. I think a red also says no one living was in the room (but that's only a discrepancy with what you said "cousins hiding in the bathroom alive").

now if the owner happened to be in guestroom checked by being moved and it is clarified by evaria (if it is true then I misinterpreted the red about him not leaving the mansion) or evaria clarifies that the detective could mistake a dummy for Bill (through "unmistakably dead" and "memory is accurate to the story") or evaria acknowledges that another circumstance for this particular detail is part of the unsolved mystery, then I will retract my doubt and apologize for being too skeptical and naggy. After all, semantics make the world go round.

The owner never was in the guestroom and as I see it was never discovered by the detective. So no misinterpretation there.

It was already clarified (by accepting my story about the dummy) that the detective mistook the dummy for Bill (same for the other 2 cousins). The memory is accurate to the story, as the found body (detective thinks it's a human, so "body" is accurate for "dummy") was dead.

[eljoemo]

Bill, Bob and Fred wanted to prank the detective and so all made/ obtained duplicate bodies to look dead. The plan was to put the duplicate bodies on the beds and then hide in the bathrooms before revealing it was all a prank. However, Bill is mentally unstable. In the dead of night, he climbed up the drainpipe into the owner's bedroom's window and killed him. Then he climbed down went back to the guesthouse and hid in the bathroom as was the plan. After the protagonist had checked, Bill went into the other to rooms and killed Bob and Fred.

[eaglgenes101]

Ok, evarita, you just plain butchered the story. Now its getting ridiculous, so get your act together or you will find out your cousin just killed you without you realizing it.
(jk)

[mwaetht]

There is no need to invoke fake bodies.

- Each of the three bodies you discovered was unmistakably dead.

- The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.

- The one and only culprit is your cousin Bill!

- In this game, a culprit cannot die.

Our character discovered the bodies of Fred, Bob, and Bill the Owner. Our character found Bill the Owner's body in the room of Bill the Owner. (Note that the room of Bill the Owner is not necessarily a guestroom.) The culprit is Bill the Cousin. Bill the Cousin did not die. There is no contradiction.

and of course the reds I stated before, but these specifically say Bill actually died - plus the other reds I posted say this Bill is the cousin Bill not the owner.

Explain. I am entirely confused by your list of red truths. They seem entirely unconnected and do not appear to justify any conclusion when taken together. Apparently irrelevant red truths have been trimmed from this quote; rather than pointing at a pile of seemingly unrelated red truths and claiming they support your conclusion, perhaps you would be better served by explaining how logic apparently connects these red truths to arrive at your conclusion.

At no point in this game does one character attempt to disguise themselves as another.
As such, there are no circumstances in which you would mistake one character for someone else.

Our character does not confuse Bill the Owner's body for Bill the Cousin at any point.

- When you checked and entered each guestroom, other than you and the respective cousin, no human existed within the room.

Bill the Owner presumably did not die in a guestroom.

Your memory is accurate to the narration in the story.

You know, this would be rather more useful if you pointed out which part of the story you took issue with.

From the moment you parted ways, the owner of the mansion never actually left the mansion.

Because he died in a room in his mansion.