The Witch's Game - By EvaRia

[xyan]

Perhaps you misunderstand?

The three rooms you checked and entered are the three guesthouse rooms belonging to the cousins.

The master bedroom is located on the upper floor of the mansion.

You never entered the mansion itself.

3 victims in 3 checked rooms, yet owner is in master bedroom of mansion. so how can the cousin Bill be the murderer?

[EvaRia]

I was under the impression that you had reasoned that far already.

So I'll play along. I brought him back to life with magic.

[xyan]

what I'm trying to say, since I guess I need to be extremely specific in how I say it is:

according to - When you checked and entered each guestroom, other than you and the respective cousin, no human existed within the room.

the victim in each room is your cousin, and that The master bedroom is located on the upper floor of the mansion. You never entered the mansion itself.

means it is impossible for the blue truth you declare "effective and have no counter to" as really ineffective.

the 3 rooms are the 3 guestrooms and the 3 victims are the 3 cousins, a victim cannot be a culprit, thus the cousin Bill was not the culprit...

[Keolino]

When you checked and entered each guestroom, other than you and the respective cousin, no human existed within the room.

Culprits cannot die, jet you discovered your cousin Bills body (there are red truth for that). I thought that the owner may be a cousin of yours  as well, but he is in his own room. That can only mean, that the body of your cousin Bill was stabbed and bloody, but he wasn't actually dead!

-The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill. The body must really be your cousin bills, since you didn't enter the mansion or owner bills room at any time, and therefor couldn't identify owner bill in his own room.

At first it sounds like that one: - Each of the three bodies you discovered was unmistakably dead.
*This is at the time which you discovered each body. makes everything an logical error, since culprits cannot die. but at some time, after the police arrived and carried the dead body of owner bill outside (whom you hopefully called) you had to discover the owners dead body as well. So you discovered 3 bodies, and each was dead. But actually, you discovered 4 bodies, and 3 of them were dead. I thought it was some poison which lets you be dead for about a week or so, but since a culprit cannot die and therefor cannot be "unmistakably dead" at any moment of the story, this option isn't valid.

I was under the impression that you had reasoned that far already.

So I'll play along. I brought him back to life with magic.

Not valid. culprits cannot die at any point of the story. Which means he couldn't die and therefor couldn't have been brought back to life...

[EvaRia]

You should keep better track of your teammates...

The kids aren't dead and with this, there is no culprit.
Each kid made (or baught) his very own life size dead body dummy. They had the idea last summer and wanted to scare the zanzarino out of the little cousin.
With this, it's rather easy and straight forward what happened: they went out through the window and to the car in order to fetch their dummys. Then pulled them back into the room, stabbed the "victim" with a knife and poured a ridiculous ammount of blood around the room. Then they each hid in the bathroom.

I was also wondering why the cousins would want to sleep in the guest house knowing about the witch, and why they went to sleep so abruptly after telling the protagonist about the witch. But the theory is invalid:

-The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.
The body which you discovered in Fred's room belongs to Fred.
The body which you discovered in Bob's room belongs to Bob.

how does this contradict my statement?
the bodies found there belonged to the the kid in respective room. They baught it (or made it) after all!

I have a spare minute, so I'll give it another shot =)

I'll continue where I left off a while back and modify it slightly.

The moment when the detective woke up, the kids were still alive.
it happened very similar to this story:

The kids aren't dead and with this, there is no culprit.
Each kid made (or baught) his very own life size dead body dummy. They had the idea last summer and wanted to scare the zanzarino out of the little cousin.
With this, it's rather easy and straight forward what happened: they went out through the window and to the car in order to fetch their dummys. Then pulled them back into the room, stabbed the "victim" dummy with a knife and poured a ridiculous ammount of blood around the room. Then they each hid in the bathroom.

After the detective went back to the house, the boys left the bathroom and continued to hide behind the door of the rooms. A culprit then entered one room after the other through the broken window and killed the boy in that room with a knife, removed the dummies, placed the boys where the dummys were and drove off with his beloved, slightly red and holed dummies.

... I'm still far away from the point that explains each of the three murders in its own solved mystery... a red hint in that direction would surely help

edit: fixed the quote

[xyan]

those quotes don't answer the fact why you are contradicting yourself in red truths (also making newer reds cause older ones to essentially be lies)

according to red truths bill is in fact dead, cannot be the culprit as he is a victim, and you would have not known if the owner was dead in his mansion.

isn't there a rule about red truths having to be truths...

[ZaIn43]

It's probably not technically a contradiction.  For example, someone can "own" two bodies. 

[EvaRia]

Tell me which red truths you think contradict each other and I will tell you why they don't.

[eljoemo]

- Each of the three bodies you discovered was unmistakably dead.

- The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.

- The one and only culprit is your cousin Bill!

- In this game, a culprit cannot die.

[Regyptic]

- Each of the three bodies you discovered was unmistakably dead.

- The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.

- The one and only culprit is your cousin Bill!

- In this game, a culprit cannot die.

I think the point is that the body in Bill's room is a Bill-shaped dummy which Bill owns (it therefore 'belongs' to Bill) and Bill is still alive somewhere.

[xyan]

- Each of the three bodies you discovered was unmistakably dead.

- The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.

- The one and only culprit is your cousin Bill!

- In this game, a culprit cannot die.

I think the point is that the body in Bill's room is a Bill-shaped dummy which Bill owns (it therefore 'belongs' to Bill) and Bill is still alive somewhere.

At no point in this game does one character attempt to disguise themselves as another.
As such, there are no circumstances in which you would mistake one character for someone else.
- When you checked and entered each guestroom, other than you and the respective cousin, no human existed within the room.
- A "victim" in this game is defined as a human in the story who has been murdered by one of the game's culprits.
People really were murdered.
There are exactly three victims in this game!
-The body which you discovered in Bill's room belongs to Bill.
The body which you discovered in Fred's room belongs to Fred.
The body which you discovered in Bob's room belongs to Bob.
- When you checked and entered each guestroom, other than you and the respective cousin, no human existed within the room.
Your memory is accurate to the narration in the story.
In this game, a culprit cannot die.
From the moment you parted ways, the owner of the mansion never actually left the mansion.


if you add these reds to the quoted reds above, the reds contradict your red of bill being the culprit through the fact that bill is a victim as the owner did not leave the mansion and the rooms the detective checked were the guestrooms and the respective cousins were there (and dead, as no living person other than the detective was in the room when it was checked).

at least one red truth is a lie and not a truth or the culprit cannot be any of characters mentioned in the story (which another red truth says otherwise).

I am not questioning your integrity, but I think there was a mistake with at least the wording of one or more reds. Clarification please.

[dawn to dusk]

what about 'your cousin bill is the culprit and killed the owner of the mansion who's name is bill' do you not understand?
this makes perfect sense to me but i would like my earlier questions answered if it doesnt bother you that much.

so close!
a couple questions: is the lock to the master bedroom the same as the ones in the guesthouse?
is there a window in the master bedroom?
was the back door locked?