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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099199#msg1099199
« Reply #204 on: September 26, 2013, 12:51:51 pm »
I already tried that before and i got:

- Each victim died an instant death. There was no time for them to react or perform any action after attacked.

As a red truth. (It's on the front page, I didn't bother to quote for one red truth.)
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099265#msg1099265
« Reply #205 on: September 26, 2013, 08:24:57 pm »
well that means that someone or something must be in the rooms to lock the door and window since the killer must be able to get out. i am almost ready to state that eva has contradicted himself but not fully ready as i believe we are missing something very important... what could it be...

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099292#msg1099292
« Reply #206 on: September 26, 2013, 11:14:56 pm »
The cousins left their windows open during the night. The culprit goes in through each window, kills the respective cousin and leaves again. Three completely unrelated people then enter each room, lock themselves in, hide in the closet/under the bed/somewhere else and then kill themselves.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099293#msg1099293
« Reply #207 on: September 26, 2013, 11:21:45 pm »
The cousins left their windows open during the night. The culprit goes in through each window, kills the respective cousin and leaves again. Three completely unrelated people then enter each room, lock themselves in, hide in the closet/under the bed/somewhere else and then kill themselves.

it's possible, but it might infringe with these:

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- In this game, only another culprit can assist or otherwise cooperate with a culprit in murder.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099294#msg1099294
« Reply #208 on: September 26, 2013, 11:59:51 pm »
Not necessarily, since :

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- A culprit in this game is defined as "One who has murdered one of the game's victims."

They didn't kill one of the game's victims, so they're not culprits.

They're not victims either, because :

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- A "victim" in this game is defined as a human in the story who has been murdered by one of the game's culprits.
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- There are exactly three victims in this game!

Since they're not either victim nor culprit, they also bypass the rule that :

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- No victim died as a result of suicide. I will extend this to accidents, heart attacks, or any other way of dying without the will of a separate killer.

Thus, they can commit suicide.

Now, I don't know if there's a red truth that everyone in the room was dead, so they don't necessarily need to kill themselves. Further on, they can also enter themselves in the bathroom and lock themselves in there (through the use of the quote that "- Each bathroom door can only be locked or unlocked from inside the bathroom.")


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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099295#msg1099295
« Reply #209 on: September 27, 2013, 12:02:59 am »
I don't think the mysterious suicidal strangers quite count as culprits as they aren't trying to assist the murderer at all. There is a red truth stating that there are no other humans in the room when you check it so the theory requires a dead body not to be classified as human. But I'm ignoring that.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099296#msg1099296
« Reply #210 on: September 27, 2013, 12:19:43 am »
I see, I interpreted your theory as the 3 people assisting the culprit. This is forbidden by the second truth I quoted. If they are complete strangers then it doesn't break any red truths (except dead bodies being humans) but there's no logic behind a 3 separate strangers killing themselves in a house full of dead strangers. Then again what's the murderer's motive? We'll see.
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099325#msg1099325
« Reply #211 on: September 27, 2013, 02:39:05 am »
I'm guessing the next red truth is "The only dead bodies in the rooms are your three cousins'. "
Let's start working around it preemptively instead of waiting.
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099329#msg1099329
« Reply #212 on: September 27, 2013, 03:33:32 am »
Does the bathroom count as a different room?

If they hide or kill themselves in it and if it counts as a different room, it works.

Also, Annele and her removing windows haven't been proved wrong yet.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099330#msg1099330
« Reply #213 on: September 27, 2013, 03:36:35 am »
Does the bathroom count as a different room?


no, each guestroom includes the bedroom/closet/bath as 1 unit

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099385#msg1099385
« Reply #214 on: September 27, 2013, 03:08:57 pm »
The cousins left their windows open during the night. The culprit goes in through each window, kills the respective cousin and leaves again. Three completely unrelated people then enter each room, lock themselves in, hide in the closet/under the bed/somewhere else and then kill themselves.

I thought this was covered for a moment, but this is valid.

In this game, only a victim can die. Therefore, deaths of non-victims cannot be used as a basis for a theory.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099424#msg1099424
« Reply #215 on: September 27, 2013, 08:12:06 pm »
All three cousins left their windows open. The culprit goes through the window, stabs the cousin inside, shuts and locks the window, takes the glass out of the window, steps out, and replaces the glass. They do this for the other two cousins as well.
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