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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099116#msg1099116
« Reply #192 on: September 25, 2013, 09:02:36 pm »
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- No method exists through which it is possible to kill someone inside one of the guestrooms from outside the room.

Placing a knife on their beds count? =P

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099128#msg1099128
« Reply #193 on: September 25, 2013, 10:08:29 pm »
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099138#msg1099138
« Reply #194 on: September 25, 2013, 11:12:39 pm »
Those statements don't necessarily disprove his idea. If one were to place knives on each of their beds, and they died by accidentally lying on them, then

1. They were not killed from outside the room
2. The victim and culprit were in the same room, because they were the same person.
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099139#msg1099139
« Reply #195 on: September 25, 2013, 11:18:53 pm »
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099142#msg1099142
« Reply #196 on: September 25, 2013, 11:35:27 pm »
Do note that we can't trust any of this:

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Is there something specific you want to know about them?

They are relatively ordinary windows. They open outwards (as I've said) and locked with a simple latching mechanism.

Each of the windows is large enough that it's relatively easy to step through them when opened.

They are divided with a horizontal crossbeam down the middle, so smashing the window will only leave enough space to unlock it (as you did in the story).

All three cousins kept their windows shut. The culprit takes the glass out of the first window, steps inside, stabs the cousin inside, steps out, and replaces the glass. They do this for the other two cousins as well.

I believe we need a reply to this.
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099164#msg1099164
« Reply #197 on: September 26, 2013, 03:59:16 am »
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- No victim died as a result of suicide. I will extend this to accidents, heart attacks, or any other way of dying without the will of a separate killer.

Even tho Annele's guess is obviously correct, I'm going to continue to ramble and insist that placing a knife on a bad and someone dying from it isn't an accident or suicide, and certainly involved the will of a killer. :O
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099169#msg1099169
« Reply #198 on: September 26, 2013, 04:19:34 am »
But the killer would still have to be in same room, in which case it would be easier to just stab the cousin instead of making them lie down on a blade.

Annele's guess is not 100% guaranteed, I believe there's already been a red truth to counter it but I'll let EvaRia sort it out this time.
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099174#msg1099174
« Reply #199 on: September 26, 2013, 05:53:54 am »
Do note that we can't trust any of this:

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Is there something specific you want to know about them?

They are relatively ordinary windows. They open outwards (as I've said) and locked with a simple latching mechanism.

Each of the windows is large enough that it's relatively easy to step through them when opened.

They are divided with a horizontal crossbeam down the middle, so smashing the window will only leave enough space to unlock it (as you did in the story).

All three cousins kept their windows shut. The culprit takes the glass out of the first window, steps inside, stabs the cousin inside, steps out, and replaces the glass. They do this for the other two cousins as well.

I believe we need a reply to this.

It's countered by the combination of these red truths:
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- Both the moment when you woke up and when you came across each window, the windows were perfectly sealed from the inside.
- The definition of a "perfect seal" states that it is impossible to enter through a sealed entrance without first breaking or removing the seal.
- Without breaking the seal, no method exists through which it is possible to remove a perfect seal on a guestroom window from outside the guestroom.
- No method exists through which it is possible to perfectly seal one of the guestroom windows from outside the guestroom.

So to enter by removing the glass counts as breaking the seal. When leaving again, the perfect seal can only be created again from the inside, but the culprit has to be outside to replace the glass, so no perfect seal was created that way.
The detective encountered a perfect seal. That is a contraditcion.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099175#msg1099175
« Reply #200 on: September 26, 2013, 06:21:38 am »
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- No victim died as a result of suicide. I will extend this to accidents, heart attacks, or any other way of dying without the will of a separate killer.
- Each victim was stabbed by a knife. No other method of murder was used.


Your poisonous sandwiches don't work under these restrictions!
The first truth doesn't contradict my story, as the tree boys don't qualify as victims, since per your defenition if they weren't murdered, they aren't victims.
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Same goes for the 2nd red truth, but additionally, a poisenous sandwich doesn't count as murder, as there is no will behind a berry which bob found in the woods being poisenous.

The monkeys are the only victims, they got stabbed by the culprit some time ago.

gimmeh another usefull red truth plz =)

I confirmed that there are exactly three victims, so you need to include them somehow.

Monkeys aren't human, so they don't qualify.

If you really want me to, I can go ahead and repeat that in red if you want.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099176#msg1099176
« Reply #201 on: September 26, 2013, 06:24:48 am »
Hey, jumping into this having only read the "truth" list from page 1, so sorry if I'm totally off.

Is it possible that the culprit used a lockpick to unlock the guest room doors and/or the front door of the guesthouse?

Yeah I know there's a red truth that says "Only a key can unlock" blablabla, but I don't know how strict/literal this game is to be taken. Is not any tool that opens doors a key?  8)

I know it's a bit daunting, but if you want to follow this properly, I highly recommend reading through the thread.

A lot of red truths are said in a bit of context that will make them more clear.

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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099184#msg1099184
« Reply #202 on: September 26, 2013, 07:43:10 am »
All three cousins left their windows open. The culprit goes through the window, stabs the cousin inside, shuts and locks the window, takes the glass out of the window, steps out, and replaces the glass. They do this for the other two cousins as well.
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Re: The Witch's Game - By EvaRia https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51086.msg1099194#msg1099194
« Reply #203 on: September 26, 2013, 11:37:03 am »
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- It is forbidden for hidden passages to exist.

- Other than through a door or window, there exists no method through which it is possible for a human to enter any of the three guestrooms.
*There is also no such method to leave the rooms.
*This refers to the game in its entirety. At no point in time was such a method possible.

- When you woke up, each of the three guestroom doors were locked from the inside using a sliding bolt.

- No more than one culprit exists in this game.

- When you woke up, each of the guestroom windows was locked from the inside.

here are the important red truths in a neat and tidy form. using all of these, the puzzle may seem impossible so i present a question.

During the time in which the victims were murdered, how many people were in the room?

answer is most likely 2 so i will also present a blue truth that will not really answer anything but is here for a random try...

All three cousins left the windows open in the night. during then, the culprit snuck into one room and woke up the cousin inside by shaking him gently. half asleep, the cousin couldnt really do anything and the culprit brought him to the window and stabbed him with a knife. the cousin then closed the window out of shock and stumbled back into bed where he bled to death. this was repeated for the other cousins.

a follow up questions i thought of while typing, did the cousins die from a fatal wound or loss of blood or neither?

 

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