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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154862#msg1154862
« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2014, 06:48:27 pm »
There are some technical things that are unclear.
Is there a stair in every cart and is there only 1 stair in every cart?
How many carts have bathrooms and how many bathrooms they have?
Are we really the only passengers? I mean, 11 passengers on a train with 3 passenger carts and 6 floors?
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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154869#msg1154869
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2014, 07:14:52 pm »
There are some technical things that are unclear.
Is there a stair in every cart and is there only 1 stair in every cart?
How many carts have bathrooms and how many bathrooms they have?
Are we really the only passengers? I mean, 11 passengers on a train with 3 passenger carts and 6 floors?

Not a stair in every cart; there are no stairs in either the Engine Room (6th cart) or the Driver's Cockpit/Room (1st cart). The latter part of the question is answered through the story if you look closely.

3 bathrooms total, 1 for each passenger cart

11 passengers, 6 train staff, and 1 extra person

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154871#msg1154871
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2014, 07:22:15 pm »
The latter part of the question is answered through the story if you look closely.
There were too many things that can be only figured out if we look closely. :/ So if it's already in the story, please explain? ^^
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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154876#msg1154876
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2014, 09:02:30 pm »
The latter part of the question is answered through the story if you look closely.
There were too many things that can be only figured out if we look closely. :/ So if it's already in the story, please explain? ^^

only 1 cart has an extra pair of stairs

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154907#msg1154907
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2014, 08:15:42 am »
The missing people were thrown out of the hole created by Ivan.

they landed on the ground essentially

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154909#msg1154909
« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2014, 08:25:34 am »
I am so unreasonably happy that this is still going. Checking in again just to participate!

Tell me more about this, so I know where you're going with this one.

At some point when I was not there to witness him, Zack ingested a substance that is poisonous to humans. There's nothing strange about his situation at all!

This one too.

Anyone without an alibi could have entered the drivers cart, killed the three people inside with any conventional weapon, smashed the windows, then left without me noticing. I see nothing strange about this at all!

Tell me more about this one too.

Any of the missing people could be trapped or hiding in one of the carts that I have not personally searched. There's nothing strange about this at all!

Also, I'm just musing here about my route in the story line to collect my thoughts.

This is the order through which I moved about the train car.

First, I was on the station platform. I then boarded the train on Cart 4, entering from the bottom floor. I move upstairs after passing by the entire bottom floor.

Next, I move to the diner's cart temporarily, which is possible without descending. I return to my seat in Cart 4.

At this point in time, the layout of the car means that everyone who exists in the story must be divided by my position. In other words, I can sort everyone into being in my position in Cart 4, in the carts ahead of me, and the carts behind me.

I request an acknowledgement of this statement in black:
"While I was sitting in the 4th Cart upstairs, it was not possible for a person in the later carts to pass into the earlier carts, or vice versa, without me noticing their existence."

A bunch of stuff happens, but I stay in Cart 4. I descend at some point to check on Zack.

At this point, because I am downstairs, it's possible for anyone to pass through Cart 4 upstairs without me noticing. This means that in only the brief period that I was there, I can only account for alibis for the few people on the floor. Everyone else has free reign to make absolutely anything happen and to shuffle positions without me noticing.

I then move into the diner's cart again. At this point, things had happened in the diner's cart without me noticing. I can white truth this.

It's possible for any of the mysterious events in the diner's cart to have been instigated by any person who was on a later cart than me for the entire time I was sitting down in Cart 4. Any person who I did not have direct line of sight during this period had more than enough time to cause any kind of commotion. Nothing strange here, as far as I see.

I then move down the diner's cart stairs.
At this point I appear to be alone in an isolated area. I was not there long, but it's more than enough time for any positions to have to be reaccounted for. Anyone on the train can move to any other spot on the train at this point in time without me noticing.

I then move to the second cart downstairs. I request clarification - Is this physically possible without me moving upstairs again? I'm not 100% sure on the layout of the train here.

After that, I move into the driver's cart, or Cart 1. At this point things are crazy in there, but there's nothing too weird about it. It was the first time I was in the drivers cart, so there's basically an infinite amount of time that any person could have performed those murders. Because I was isolated at least one point in time, nobody on the train has a reliable alibi. There are however some time sensitive situations, so I can't just use a sweeping truth to make you cover everything in one go.

I'll start with that for now.

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154910#msg1154910
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2014, 08:33:24 am »
The missing people were thrown out of the hole created by Ivan.

they landed on the ground essentially

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...hole? >_>

Ivan never created a hole for people to enter/exit through.

I also can't repeat that last statement willingly. >_>



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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154911#msg1154911
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2014, 08:41:04 am »
I made the first game, so I know. It's much harder to be the Game Master than people realize.

I don't really see any imminent traps for me, so unless you rethink your gameplan, I'm going to hunt you down with sweeping whites until you show me the one path left on your own....

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154913#msg1154913
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2014, 08:42:35 am »
The missing people were thrown out of the OPENING created by Ivan's crowbar in the engine room.

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154926#msg1154926
« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2014, 01:13:19 pm »
The latter part of the question is answered through the story if you look closely.
There were too many things that can be only figured out if we look closely. :/ So if it's already in the story, please explain? ^^

only 1 cart has an extra pair of stairs
Wait... the stairs are in pairs?! How should we imagine that? 1 in the front and 1 in the back of the train? Or they are just beside each other, facing the opposite direction so that everyone can easily access it?
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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154934#msg1154934
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2014, 04:29:44 pm »
The diner's cart has two staircases. One with a glass door which we never enter. Assumedly this leads to a passenger area but we don't really know.

The other stairs are taped over and lead to the storage area where we find a key and a body?

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Re: The Witch's Game 4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55644.msg1154940#msg1154940
« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2014, 05:32:20 pm »
The diner's cart has two staircases. One with a glass door which we never enter. Assumedly this leads to a passenger area but we don't really know.

The other stairs are taped over and lead to the storage area where we find a key and a body?
But Kuro said "pair of stairs", not just staircase. And said that one cart (obviously the diner cart) has 2 "pairs". Maybe he just misworded it...
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