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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1138942#msg1138942
« Reply #192 on: June 03, 2014, 09:20:25 pm »
Howard's killer tied him up and killed him by hanging him by physical force, as opposed to by coercion. The killer left the room by using a secret passage.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139011#msg1139011
« Reply #193 on: June 04, 2014, 02:51:22 am »
When we got there, it was locked, and there were no sound from the inside. The owner used his master key to open the door, and inside we found what we all feared. Lucy layed on the bed, with a knife in her chest. The owner quickly ran to her and try to feel her pulse. Of course, it was too late.

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139013#msg1139013
« Reply #194 on: June 04, 2014, 03:45:08 am »
This is unneccessary, but just for the protocol:
Bill pushed the key under the basement door
Another thing I need to know:
At least one of the corpses does not belong to the person I thought it would be
(meaning that some of the supposedly dead people are still alive and may have thrown the key under the basement door, while a person not directly mentioned in the story died)

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139024#msg1139024
« Reply #195 on: June 04, 2014, 09:26:12 am »
I've already said: Bill left the house before the key got to the basement.

The second truth is incomplete, it does not provide a full explanation for any of the murders.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139034#msg1139034
« Reply #196 on: June 04, 2014, 01:16:27 pm »
Leaving only Lucy or something that is not a person at all, to push the key through under the basement door (since I would deduce from the red truths that alicia is totally dead).
The Corpse we found (when we thought Lucy died) was not Lucy, but an unknown person that was not mentioned in the story. Lucy killed that person that looked similiar to herself in order to make all of us think that she cannot commit any murder (anymore). She later pushed the key under the door, so I would free myself, which makes me even more suspicious.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139036#msg1139036
« Reply #197 on: June 04, 2014, 01:50:26 pm »
The body you found in Lucy's room belonged to Lucy.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139050#msg1139050
« Reply #198 on: June 04, 2014, 03:59:06 pm »
There are four dead people in this game.
This bothers me so much. But everything suggests that Lucy is not dead (yet)(Especially since we all know that trick, where you stop the blood circulation in your arm, so that noone can feel a pulse when he touches that arm).
Lucy faked her death when we found her. She used an object to pressure the artery in her arm, stopping the blood from circulating there, so that Howard couldn't feel a pulse
The fourth dead body:
Scenario A:
Lucy got mortally injured while causing the death of either charlie or Howard
Scenario B:
Lucy happily commited suicide after having done her job
Scenario C:
Another person that wasnt mentioned in the story died without our knowledge
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139068#msg1139068
« Reply #199 on: June 04, 2014, 07:21:32 pm »
Lucy faked her death when we found her. She used an object to pressure the artery in her arm, stopping the blood from circulating there, so that Howard couldn't feel a pulse
Howard cannot possibly fail when checking if someone is dead or not.
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Scenario A:
Lucy got mortally injured while causing the death of either charlie or Howard
Scenario B:
Lucy happily commited suicide after having done her job
Scenario C:
Another person that wasnt mentioned in the story died without our knowledge
Please tell me it's not C!
A and B is no longer complete blue truths due to my red truth and C isn't in itself explaining any of the mysteries in the story.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139071#msg1139071
« Reply #200 on: June 04, 2014, 08:20:30 pm »
Maybe I am getting bogged down on a detail or just completly on the wrong track, but this seems like a logic error to me:
We can tell for certain that it must have been a human person amongst the following 6: Howard, Charlie, Bill, Lucy, Alicia and me myself.
We can black out Howard and Charlie, since they were unmistakably eliminated as options.
Now Lucy' s death is a certainty, too.
Repeat in red:
Dead people cannot act on their own. Unless they are the witch, of course ;)
Just to be sure:
Alicia is as dead as a doornail
Leaving only one option I could imagine:
Before leaving Bill set up a mechanism that pushed the key into the basement either after some time has passed or triggered through an action of me myself I suppose that blue truth is incomplete...
Sorry, if I am annoying you a little  :-[
Edit: Just saw that Alicia definitely got killed before the key got into the basement, making my second truth unnecessary.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139072#msg1139072
« Reply #201 on: June 04, 2014, 08:31:43 pm »
There is already: It was a human who threw the key under the basement door.

Since the other blue truth are not complete, I refuse to respond to them. But unless you can come up with anything, surely there can't be a way for dead bodies to do anything of their own? (Aside from magic, of course)
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139080#msg1139080
« Reply #202 on: June 04, 2014, 09:23:26 pm »
Last resort: The witch is technically mentioned in the story and could be an outsider.
The witch is an outsider, that got into the hotel without howard noticing through a secret passage. She genuinely enjoys spreading confusion, which is why she threw the masterkey under the basement door after taking it from the dead Howard. Previously she killed Howard in the following way: She entered through the secret passage, before Howard got to the room and set up a snare trap. As soon as  Howard saw her (after entering the room) he huried towards the suspicious intruder, running right into the snare trap. The witch then cleaned up all the parts of the trap aside from the noose. The witch escaped through the secret passage again, but had not taken the time to cover her escape, which is why I later saw that object sticking out that I could not investigate I guess to make that count as complete truth, I have to give an explanation for Howards death? (will edit very soon need to read story again)
Alternatively:
Bill returned once before going to the police station to push the key into the basement. Why and how did he get the key? He killed howard the same way the witch did in the other blue truth and wanted to distract the police as much as possible (since he killed Howard) (he was smart enough to believe that the police wouldn't suspect the one that called them right away, but wanted to keep them busy for longer.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1139086#msg1139086
« Reply #203 on: June 04, 2014, 10:07:14 pm »
Lucy threw the key under the basement door.
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