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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1150868#msg1150868
« Reply #372 on: August 13, 2014, 11:06:16 am »
how about this

In the middle of the night, *Ninja* hung a rope outside Alicia's window. She had hung it from a rope fastened to an object on the roof, one directly above Alicia's window. Alicia unlocked and opened the door when *Ninja* knocked. *Ninja* became enraged and repeatedly stabbed Alicia in the chest until the knife was buried deep. Then, *Ninja* locked the door from the inside, climbed out the window onto the rope, kicked the window closed with her foot, and climbed up to the roof where she easily pulled up the rope. Then she climbed the rope towards the ground (she refastened the rope later on). But Lucy was waiting when *Ninja* got to the bottom. Lucy used her staple gun on *Ninja* and then went back to her room and went to sleep. Lucy locked Alicia's window in the time between you waking up and you arriving at the room.

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1150869#msg1150869
« Reply #373 on: August 13, 2014, 11:08:46 am »
It is forbidden for the culprit to be anyone not mentioned in the story.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1150870#msg1150870
« Reply #374 on: August 13, 2014, 11:12:02 am »
While I was asleep, the building was lowered 1 floor through some sort of mechanism so that if Lucy climbed out the window of Alicia's room, it would be on the first floor (and I would be in the 'basement' floor, and the actual basement would be 1 floor lower than me). This is how Lucy locked the door from the inside and escaped from the window. The structure then fixed itself before the morning began.

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1150871#msg1150871
« Reply #375 on: August 13, 2014, 11:19:06 am »
No floor changed number or height from the ground.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1150872#msg1150872
« Reply #376 on: August 13, 2014, 11:24:45 am »
Lucy locked the window and then locked Alicia's room on the outside with the room key. She left the key on the ground outside of the door. Howard unlocked the door with the Master key to throw Alicia's key back into the room before I woke up.

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1150873#msg1150873
« Reply #377 on: August 13, 2014, 11:25:56 am »
Lucy knocked on Alicia's door at night and Alicia let her in. Lucy stabbed Alicia then opened a key size hole in the ventilation ducts. She then left through the door, locking it with Alicia's room key. She crawled through the AC vents and pushed the key back into Alicia's room.

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1150874#msg1150874
« Reply #378 on: August 13, 2014, 11:30:31 am »
Lucy locked the window and then locked Alicia's room on the outside with the room key. She left the key on the ground outside of the door. Howard unlocked the door with the Master key to throw Alicia's key back into the room before I woke up.
You forgot that When Howard unlocked the door to Alicia's room, her room key was inside the room.

Lucy knocked on Alicia's door at night and Alicia let her in. Lucy stabbed Alicia then opened a key size hole in the ventilation ducts. She then left through the door, locking it with Alicia's room key. She crawled through the AC vents and pushed the key back into Alicia's room.
Very well. The only way to move a key between two rooms is through a window, a door or a secret passage.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1150899#msg1150899
« Reply #379 on: August 13, 2014, 01:43:32 pm »
I move the most important parts here, so I don't have to look back to page 26 every time.

Night Phase

Alicia was killed at night.

Alicia never left her room.

When Alicia was killed, the murderer was in the same room as her.
-This includes the point when Alicia actually died.

There is only one door to Alicia's room.

The only way to move a key between two rooms is through a window, a door or a secret passage.

Alicia's room key never entered the room through the window.

Aside from the master key, only one key to Alicia's room exist.

The master key stayed in Howard's room the whole night.
The master key was still in Howard's room when Alicia was killed

The master key did not unlock Alicia's room during the night.

There are no secret passages leading to or from Alicia's room.

The door and the window are the only ways a human can enter or exit Alicia's room.

It is forbidden for the culprit to be anyone not mentioned in the story.

Lucy never entered the building through a window.

Lucy was never on the roof.

The room was on second floor, it was too high to be able to jump down from the window.
There are no ladders in this game.
When Howard unlocked Alicia's room in the morning, there was no rope anywhere inside the room.
There was nothing within reach of the window that could be used to tie a rope to.
There was no tree nearby that you could climb on.
It is not possible to climb directly on the wall of the building.
Lucy did not have a grappling hook.

If you jump from the second floor of a building or higher, you will die no matter what you land on.

No one helped Alicia's murderer to escape the room.

Alicia was not killed by an animal (Humans are not considered animals in this context).

The dead body you found in Alicia'r room was Alicia.

Howard did not lock Alicia's room.


Morning

Right before you woke up, Howard unlocked the locked door to Alicia's room. At this point, Alicia's room key was inside Alicia's room.

When Howard unlocked the door to Alicia's room, her room key was inside the room.

Alicia's killer left Alicia's room before you woke up.

No one entered or exited Alicia's room during the short time between Howard unlocking the door and you waking up.

When you woke up, there was no human inside Alicia's room except Alicia, who was dead.

When you entered Alicia's room, the window was locked.
- This applies to all windows in Alicia's room.



Spoiler for General Truths:
There are four dead people in this game.

Each guest of the hotel had their own room. No person was sleeping in the same room as anyone else.
Each room is completely seperate. It is not the case that one room is inside another.

You need a key to lock the doors from the outside.

There is only one master key.
In this game, a 'skeleton key' would be counted as a 'master key'.

The windows can only be locked and unlocked from the inside.
The windows can only be locked when the window is already closed

No part of the walls, roof, or floors of the hotel was taken apart.
No door was broken, removed or taken apart.
No window was broken, removed or taken apart.

Aside from the basement door, a key cannot be moved through a door while it is locked.
In this context, "through the door" measn through the doorway, which includes things like under the door and through the keyhole.

No accident was involved in the murders.

The doors can only be locked while they are closed.

Lucy never used the master key to unlock a door.

No person not named in the story ever used the master key.

It is impossible to lock a door from the inside while being outside the room.
And we keep driving into the night
It's a late goodbye, such a late goodbye...

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1151061#msg1151061
« Reply #380 on: August 15, 2014, 02:17:00 am »
Lucy went into Alicia's room at night through the open door to kill her. She then closed the door from the inside and left throught the window by
  • the help of a rope. The rope was attached to a chair, which could easily hold the lightweight Lucy while she climbed down. After she touched the ground, she pulled the rope hard and the other part of the rope unattached from the chair (or pulled the chair out of the window).
  • climbing down on the gutter.
  • hang gliding.
  • a rope made by elastic polymer. When she touched the ground, she just pulled the rope hard and it untied from anything it was attached to.
  • climbing down the Ivy Fence that was attached to the outside wall.
  • sneaking in the next room (this window she used opened to another hotel room).
In the morning after Howard entered Alicia's room but before I got there, either Howard or Lucy closed the open window from the inside.
And we keep driving into the night
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1151320#msg1151320
« Reply #381 on: August 16, 2014, 06:30:27 am »
Time to organize it in a more useful manner.
Note that more useful means more assumptions, more unnecessary implications, and so in general a dangerous magnification of each red truth's misleading nature.

Here's my "proof" that the murderer escaped through the window:

Time and place of murder:

Alicia was killed at night.

Alicia never left her room.

The dead body you found in Alicia'r room was Alicia.


Murderer escaped from the room that night with no help:

When Alicia was killed, the murderer was in the same room as her.
-This includes the point when Alicia actually died.

No one helped Alicia's murderer to escape the room.

Alicia's killer left Alicia's room before you woke up.

When you woke up, there was no human inside Alicia's room except Alicia, who was dead.


Escape route must be window or door:

The door and the window are the only ways a human can enter or exit Alicia's room.


If the murderer escaped through the door, the door must be unlocked for the escape and eventually locked from the outside:

The doors can only be locked while they are closed.

It is impossible to lock a door from the inside while being outside the room.

Right before you woke up, Howard unlocked the locked door to Alicia's room.

No one entered or exited Alicia's room during the short time between Howard unlocking the door and you waking up.


The door must have been locked with either the room key or the master key:

You need a key to lock the doors from the outside.

There is only one master key.

Aside from the master key, only one key to Alicia's room exist.


The room key was not used to lock the door:

When Howard unlocked the door to Alicia's room, her room key was inside the room.

The only way to move a key between two rooms is through a window, a door or a secret passage.

Alicia's room key never entered the room through the window.

Aside from the basement door, a key cannot be moved through a door while it is locked.

There are no secret passages leading to or from Alicia's room.


The master key was not used to lock the door:

The master key stayed in Howard's room the whole night.

The master key did not leave Howard's possession until after his death.

Howard did not lock Alicia's room.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1151625#msg1151625
« Reply #382 on: August 17, 2014, 03:25:18 pm »
Lucy went into Alicia's room at night through the open door to kill her. She then closed the door from the inside and left throught the window by
  • the help of a rope. The rope was attached to a chair, which could easily hold the lightweight Lucy while she climbed down. After she touched the ground, she pulled the rope hard and the other part of the rope unattached from the chair (or pulled the chair out of the window).
  • climbing down on the gutter.
  • hang gliding.
  • a rope made by elastic polymer. When she touched the ground, she just pulled the rope hard and it untied from anything it was attached to.
  • climbing down the Ivy Fence that was attached to the outside wall.
  • sneaking in the next room (this window she used opened to another hotel room).
In the morning after Howard entered Alicia's room but before I got there, either Howard or Lucy closed the open window from the inside.
Not bad. I will strike down everything though:
It is impossible to remove a rope that is attached to something unless you are at the position where it is attached.
It is impossible to climb on something directly attached to the outer wall, such as a gutter.
It is impossible to climb on plants.
It is impossible to hang glide from any part of the building.
Every window in the building leads directly from the inside to the outside; there are no windows directly between rooms.


EDIT: I saw that you did not actually mean to climb down on the plant itself, but I can give you that truth for free.  ;)
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1151927#msg1151927
« Reply #383 on: August 19, 2014, 12:49:45 pm »

Alicia's door was a revolving door, allowing someone to be both inside and outside the room at the same time technically, but the revolving door could be locked from the outside or inside with a key. The murderer was in the room technically when Alicia died, but used the revolving door to escape, then locked the door from the inside with the key but freely moved outwards because revolving door adjkfljsakl;fjeasiogfnewpaiofnpeio hfaewgfeaw

Lucy escaped via the window with a rope attached to a completely different building; she traversed the rope to the other building, then either destroyed/unfixated the rope from the new building, left it, then re-entered the hotel normally through a non-window source

Alicia's murderer incinerated themselves after closing/locking everything from the inside.

Alicia's murderer KILLED themselves by throwing themselves out the window, and thus were not seen in the morning or night, as their body was outside the building and no one noticed it (this makes 4 actual deaths, as there are 'Four dead people in this game')

Alicia's murderer climbed down the window with an object that self-deteriorated afterwards, whilst closing the window.

Alicia was killed once, was REVIVED by her murderer in that room, then died again that night.

LUCY BURNED THE GODDAMMNED ROPE AFTER CLIMBING OUT OF IT FROM THE WINDOW SIDE (with either fire, acid, or some other material that would break the rope apart, but not affect the building), THEN WENT IN BEFORE ME OR HOWARD DID TO CLOSE/LOCK THE DAMN WINDOW

There was no door existing until Lucy murdered Alicia and went out her room. Someone built it afterwards.

Alicia's room never had a roof, thus a person murderered Alicia in her room, but simply left the building upward by something flying in the air
Lucy was saved by:
Flying squirrels
A variety of birds
Mutant insects
Highly crafted robots

Lucy wore Ironman's mech-suit or some sort of armor to propel herself out of the window and onto a surface whilst surviving.

Lucy used a parachute (OR ONE OF THE FOLLOWING OBJECTS BELOW) to land safely, fly away to a different location and land, or climb down successfully:

a bunch of well stacked stepstools
Several layers of construction material being done on the building that descended in a safe manner
A staircase outside the window
a net
An airplane
A helicopter
Sat on an ice cube outside and let it melt as the night progressed, allowing her to reach the bottom safely
A forklift
A crane/cherry picker
Climbed onto an elephant, giraffe, or huge animal and then dropped down
A zipline
Multiple hooks
walked across a bridge from the window to somewhere else
there was a truck under the window at the time and Lucy climbed onto that
A jetpack
Tons of helium balloons
A compact elevator
A slide!

...then walked in normally through a non-window source to enter the building.

 

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