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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134945#msg1134945
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2014, 10:41:13 am »
for unfinished truths, i shall use the completely legit and totally not OP chartreuse truth.

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134946#msg1134946
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2014, 10:56:45 am »
Ah, finally some blue truths. Let the game begin for real.

Can we have names for 'Lucy's friend' and 'the Owner' so we don't have to call them that every time?
Fair enough. More random names coming up:

The Owner is called Howard.
Lucy's friend is called Alicia.

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As I'm posting I may as well start us off with possibly the most obvious theory;

The Owner did it. He has a master key so could get into any room.
Since you seem to mean this for all murders, all I have to do is to disprove it for one of them.
During the time of Lucy's murder, Howard was together with Charlie and Bill the whole time.

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Then for his murder;

He then killed himself somehow using the 'something sticking out from behind a cupboard' that we didn't investigate.
The thing that was sticking out behind the cupboard cannot be used to hang yourself.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134948#msg1134948
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2014, 11:09:03 am »
To escape the basement, the key had always been there, you just hadn't noticed it in your confusion and emotional trauma over the recent events.

The owner used the "something behind the cupboard" to get enough height to hang himself. Since it hasn't been said in which orders the "murders" happened, any other character came and placed whatever he used behind the cupboard.

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134949#msg1134949
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2014, 11:22:54 am »
Please use dodgerblue, this hurts my eyes...

To escape the basement, the key had always been there, you just hadn't noticed it in your confusion and emotional trauma over the recent events.
The key you used to escape the basement was not there when you first entered the basement.
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The owner used the "something behind the cupboard" to get enough height to hang himself. Since it hasn't been said in which orders the "murders" happened, any other character came and placed whatever he used behind the cupboard.
I have already said that the object cannot be used to hang yourself.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134950#msg1134950
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2014, 11:25:35 am »
Please use dodgerblue, this hurts my eyes...

To escape the basement, the key had always been there, you just hadn't noticed it in your confusion and emotional trauma over the recent events.
The key you used to escape the basement was not there when you first entered the basement.
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The owner used the "something behind the cupboard" to get enough height to hang himself. Since it hasn't been said in which orders the "murders" happened, any other character came and placed whatever he used behind the cupboard.
I have already said that the object cannot be used to hang yourself.
but the object was used to elevate himself before hanging himself

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134951#msg1134951
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2014, 11:26:42 am »
And with my statement, I mean that such a use is not possible for various reasons.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134959#msg1134959
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2014, 12:57:38 pm »
just some random thoughts:

Lucy and Howard were married, as were Alicia and Charlie.
Alicia was Howard's sister.

edit: there is a problem with this; each person slept in his/her own room.
But perhaps the hotel only had 1-person rooms.

While Howard was running the place, the actual 'owner' of the hotel was Alicia.
Alicia visited the place to find why Howard could not attract as many visitors as it used to do.
Howard always said that it was Alicia's fault, as she was almost never there.

That night, Howard got so frustrated he eventually ended up killing Alicia in her sleep,
in a desperate attempt to save the hotel.

While she was looking for her keys, Lucy realized it must've been Howard that killed Alicia
Not wanting to share her life with a murderer, but neither wanting to betray her husband, she ended up killing herself.

After accusing you, Howard found that, at some point, Charlie had to realize Howard was the murderer.
It might take an hour, a week, or 5 years- but he'd be accused of the murders.
So Charlie had to go.

Going over what happened, Howard suddenly comprehended what happened-
he killed his sister and her husband, his wife commited suicide.
To prevent an 'unsolved mystery' that would prevent the hotel from ever getting visitors,
he decided to have the person already accused being found guilty.
He silently slipped the master key under the door of the basement,
before going back to his office.

He locked his office with the 'normal' key,
opened -out of habit- the cupboard to hang the key back.
But at the moment he moved the key into the cupboard,
he realized he was about to sit down in his chair- not to actually commit suicide.
So he dropped everything in his hands (the key being on the bottom of the cupboard),
took a rope out of his office drawers,
attatched it to the ceiling, and knotted it.
He used the cupboard to climb up, stepping on the key, causing it to move a bit. (the key pointing out of the cupboard at this moment.)


more random thoughts:

-the witch is related to Howard.
-The witch has, as such, a (copy of the) master key.
-The witch could either be a mentioned or not a mentioned person in the story.
-If mentioned, Bill could have killed Charlie and Howard before going to the police
-Charlie could've been devoured by otyugh's, zapped by psions, or drowned in a flooding.
He could also be still alive, but having killed the non-mentioned witch.
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134966#msg1134966
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2014, 03:15:33 pm »
When you entered the room, there was nothing within reach that Howard could have stepped on to hang himself
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134967#msg1134967
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2014, 03:17:31 pm »
Howard jumped to hang himself.

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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1134969#msg1134969
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2014, 03:46:15 pm »
I am not really sure what you mean. He have to step on something to be able to jump from it, right?

Howard did not jump in order to commit suicide
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1135035#msg1135035
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2014, 05:14:05 am »
Oh yeah, we're back in the game. I'm not sure what happened to the second one, I guess we all forgot about it.

Howard killed everyone, for whatever reason. Since he has the master key, he was able to enter Alicia's room in the night and then stab her. Morning comes, Howard saw his chance to kill Lucy. So he made his excuses and then killed her in her room. After locking you in the basement and sending Bill away, it was easy enough for him to kill Charlie. Then he suddenly decided to kill himself. He quickly made a small remote controlled mechanism that would fire the key under the door, and then returned to his noose/ice. As soon as he began to feel himself choking, he triggered the mechanism, sliding the key under the basement door.

I'd also like to establish some ground rules, please repeat in red if you can:

 - The murders did not involve anyone not mentioned in the story.
 - Each victim is genuinely dead, and is genuinely who they appear to be (no fake or disguised corpses)
 - Each victim died by the method mentioned in the story (stabbing or hanging)
 - Each victim was genuinely dead at the time you found them

Also, could we get some more information on the "something sticking out from behind a cupboard". It's hard to get more vague than that. A physical description? What it looked like?
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Re: The Witch's Game 3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54422.msg1135180#msg1135180
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2014, 03:27:15 pm »
Howard killed everyone, for whatever reason. Since he has the master key, he was able to enter Alicia's room in the night and then stab her. Morning comes, Howard saw his chance to kill Lucy. So he made his excuses and then killed her in her room. After locking you in the basement and sending Bill away, it was easy enough for him to kill Charlie. Then he suddenly decided to kill himself. He quickly made a small remote controlled mechanism that would fire the key under the door, and then returned to his noose/ice. As soon as he began to feel himself choking, he triggered the mechanism, sliding the key under the basement door.
I think you missed something when you wrote this, you say "returned to his noose/ice" but there is no previous mention of ice...
But very well:
The master key did not unlock Alicia's room during the night.

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I'd also like to establish some ground rules, please repeat in red if you can:

 - The murders did not involve anyone not mentioned in the story.
 - Each victim is genuinely dead, and is genuinely who they appear to be (no fake or disguised corpses)
 - Each victim died by the method mentioned in the story (stabbing or hanging)
 - Each victim was genuinely dead at the time you found them
I refuse. I won't say why.
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Also, could we get some more information on the "something sticking out from behind a cupboard". It's hard to get more vague than that. A physical description? What it looked like?
It looked a bit like some sort of handle to something.
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