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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107322#msg1107322
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 06:28:54 pm »
Couldn't he just use the showerhead to smash the glass?
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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107333#msg1107333
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2013, 07:00:03 pm »
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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107340#msg1107340
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2013, 07:27:12 pm »
You've never played against me as a human before, have you?

I've never been the challenger either so this should be fun!

Get ready!

First, I request a confirmation that this story follows the rules of Knox's Decalogue. You may refuse the truth if deemed necessary.

Let's start with the obvious theories.

Escaping the shower:

It's possible that the man who you imprisoned in the shower simply broke the glass to escape from your shower trap.
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No man could have broken it without some sort of superhuman strength.
Repeat it in pink!

It's possible that at the moment I left the shower room, the enclosure in the shower wasn't perfect. For example, if there was no ceiling in the shower or a hole in the wall large enough for a human to pass through. In any of these possibilities, the man I trapped could simply have left through the opening.
I request a description in pink regarding the nature of the "closed" shower.



The water draining:

This seems simple, but it's definitely a small segment of the mystery.

It's possible that the water didn't actually drain. If so, there would be water all over the floor of the bathroom.
Repeat it in pink! "When you came back to the bathroom, there was no water on the floor."

The house is old. It's possible that there just isn't any plumbing. In that case, turning the shower on would not result in any water coming through the showerhead, and there would be no water to drain in the first place.
Repeat it in pink! "As long as the shower is turned on, water will definitely come through the showerhead." and "You definitely turned on the shower before leaving the bathroom."

It's possible that my method of plugging up the shower was imperfect or disruptable. If imperfect, the shower would simply drain, nothing strange about it. If disruptable, the man I trapped in the shower could simply remove the plug and the water would drain.
I request a description of how I plugged the shower.



Shattering the glass:

Anyone could have just smashed the glass! there's nothing strange about it at all!
This can be countered same as my first statement. I'd like a confirmation that it's not possible to break the glass with your bare hands.

Else - It's possible that the glass was smashed after the man you trapped inside the shower escaped. If this is true, then any tool required to smash the glass (Say, a sledgehammer or crowbar) could simply be procured without difficulty. There's nothing strange about it!
No request here, just show me your counter!



The murder:

Any human in the world without an alibi could have performed the murder! There's nothing strange about it at all!
I request some limiting factor (say, a closed room, a limitation of culprits) that actually makes this less than completely possible.

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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107352#msg1107352
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2013, 08:22:34 pm »
I'll follow on from Eva with the murder.
The DI came through the window. When you heard knocking on the door, it came from the lady who you don't know. when the DI escaped the shower, he saw the woman fiddling with the ring. The woman tried to get away but since she was shocked to see the DI and somehow, the ring got lodged in the girls throat where she choked to death.

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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107386#msg1107386
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2013, 10:03:49 pm »
Yay for game 2
theory time

The DI was able to unblock the drain but was still stuck in the shower. By banging very loudly, he was able to get a woman to climb in through the window like he had, come up to the bathroom and smash the glass with a heavy/sharp object. The DI then went to get dressed/recover from his experience. Meanwhile the woman had found the ring and was stealing it when the DI walked in. Angry that he had been betrayed, the DI killed the woman by forcing her to drink something bad (bleach or something). Then he realized that he was a murderer and ran away super fast like.

OR

A woman happened to see you burst out of the house cursing about filling a shower to kill someone before stealing a car. Heroically, she ran into the house and smashed the shower to save the nearly dead DI. After helping him recover, the woman was mistaken for you by the confused DI who then dispatched her by choking. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107390#msg1107390
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2013, 10:13:23 pm »
Also some more blue truths about escaping the shower:

The wall was loose, and he easily broke it, escaped, entered with something to break the glass door, and then rebuilt the wall.

Someone outside broke the glass door and helped him out, then all the shards were moved to make it look like it was broken from the inside.

The shower door can be removed from the hinges, and the DI used this to exit and get a tool to break the door with.

The shower door has a flaw where it is possible to hit one specific point of it, and then the whole door breaks. The Di knew this flaw, and used it to escape.
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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107420#msg1107420
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2013, 12:52:01 am »
I'll wait until some more pinks come out.

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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107421#msg1107421
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2013, 12:55:36 am »
I'll wait until some more pinks come out.

why? your avatar .gif is a blue truth if i ever saw one

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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107424#msg1107424
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2013, 01:10:34 am »
._. ok
I'll wait until some more pinks come out.
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The woman and the DI were working together. The woman was the DI's backup. She breaks open the glass, frees the DI, and mocks him. However she was poisoned earlier and staggers to that room and dies. The DI finds the ring and picks it up, then escapes unseen.

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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107440#msg1107440
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2013, 05:45:46 am »
The water filled the shower to the point that the water pressure caused the glass door to give way and shatter. Someone came in and found the mess and the body, did not have time to clean up but opened the drain of the shower to remove the body more easily. This body made this person scared and since they cared for you, took the body out of the house to hide the evidence and replaced it with a body you have not touched - the female. This person saw you coming back, so did not have time to completely replace the body with the new one, leaving it in the room where you left the key.

So, are the 'escape from shower' and'dead woman'  counted as two different mysteries, and thus we can provide a blue truth that explains one of them?

if so: Someone (presumably the woman that now lies dead) throws an object (a chair or whatever) over the door (if that is possible) and the DI uses it to smash the shower door.

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It's possible that at the moment I left the shower room, the enclosure in the shower wasn't perfect. For example, if there was no ceiling in the shower or a hole in the wall large enough for a human to pass through. In any of these possibilities, the man I trapped could simply have left through the opening.
I request a description in pink regarding the nature of the "closed" shower.

Also some more blue truths about escaping the shower:

The wall was loose, and he easily broke it, escaped, entered with something to break the glass door, and then rebuilt the wall.

The shower door can be removed from the hinges, and the DI used this to exit and get a tool to break the door with.


The shower has two glass sides that reach to the ceiling. The other two sides are the wall.
Only one of the glass sides was smashed.
DI Burroughs left through the hole made by the shattered glass.

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The water draining:

This seems simple, but it's definitely a small segment of the mystery.

It's possible that the water didn't actually drain. If so, there would be water all over the floor of the bathroom.
Repeat it in pink! "When you came back to the bathroom, there was no water on the floor."

The house is old. It's possible that there just isn't any plumbing. In that case, turning the shower on would not result in any water coming through the showerhead, and there would be no water to drain in the first place.
Repeat it in pink! "As long as the shower is turned on, water will definitely come through the showerhead." and "You definitely turned on the shower before leaving the bathroom."

It's possible that my method of plugging up the shower was imperfect or disruptable. If imperfect, the shower would simply drain, nothing strange about it. If disruptable, the man I trapped in the shower could simply remove the plug and the water would drain.
I request a description of how I plugged the shower.

You turned the shower on. Water came out of the shower head. The water was still on when you got back.
DI Burroughs did not remove you plugging. (Plugging being the stuff you used to block up the shower.)
The water didn't drain onto the bathroom floor (although it wasn't dry - the DI was wet.)

Any human in the world without an alibi could have performed the murder! There's nothing strange about it at all!
I request some limiting factor (say, a closed room, a limitation of culprits) that actually makes this less than completely possible.

The only three people involved in the story are the ones mentioned.
The woman's death is related to the DI's escape.

Also some more blue truths about escaping the shower:

Someone outside broke the glass door and helped him out, then all the shards were moved to make it look like it was broken from the inside.

The shower door has a flaw where it is possible to hit one specific point of it, and then the whole door breaks. The DI knew this flaw, and used it to escape.



The glass shards were not moved.
There is no 'special flaw' as such in the glass.
It is not possible for a human to break the glass with their bare hands. Of course, a witch could do it easily.

The woman and the DI were working together. The woman was the DI's backup. She breaks open the glass, frees the DI, and mocks him. However she was poisoned earlier and staggers to that room and dies. The DI finds the ring and picks it up, then escapes unseen.

Yay for game 2
theory time

The DI was able to unblock the drain but was still stuck in the shower. By banging very loudly, he was able to get a woman to climb in through the window like he had, come up to the bathroom and smash the glass with a heavy/sharp object. The DI then went to get dressed/recover from his experience. Meanwhile the woman had found the ring and was stealing it when the DI walked in. Angry that he had been betrayed, the DI killed the woman by forcing her to drink something bad (bleach or something). Then he realized that he was a murderer and ran away super fast like.

OR

A woman happened to see you burst out of the house cursing about filling a shower to kill someone before stealing a car. Heroically, she ran into the house and smashed the shower to save the nearly dead DI. After helping him recover, the woman was mistaken for you by the confused DI who then dispatched her by choking. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.


The woman did not enter the bathroom.



I think that's covered everything. I haven't quoted everything but the pinks should all cover the blue. If I haven't countered your Blue then just quote it and I'll get onto it :)
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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107458#msg1107458
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2013, 07:58:55 am »
I'll follow on from Eva with the murder.
The DI came through the window. When you heard knocking on the door, it came from the lady who you don't know. when the DI escaped the shower, he saw the woman fiddling with the ring. The woman tried to get away but since she was shocked to see the DI and somehow, the ring got lodged in the girls throat where she choked to death.
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Re: The Witch's Game 2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52125.msg1107543#msg1107543
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2013, 06:44:15 pm »
New theory!

A woman happened to see you burst out of the house cursing about filling a shower to kill someone before stealing a car. Heroically, she ran into the house and smashed the shower by throwing heavy objects at the show from the doorway. The DI regained consciousness to see a woman hurling heavy objects at him, and so when the glass was broken went and killed her by choking her. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
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