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Title: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 04, 2013, 07:51:55 am
:darkness The Witch's Game :darkness



I know the rules, show me the story! (#post_skip)
Take me to the pink truths! (#post_skip2)



The Witch's Game is a pure battle of wits using nothing but text!

The game is played between two teams, the Humans and the Witch.
The Witch is the Game's Master, and everyone else plays on the Human team with the goal of defeating the Witch.

The Game Master will weave together a tale, creating a scenario in which one or more people are murdered in a mysterious fashion.
The game is centred around these mysteries.

The Witch's goal is to convince the Human team that the mysterious events can only be explained through the use of a Witch's Magic!
The Witch is allowed to use any amount of deception and illusions in their narrative to accomplish that goal. However, a witch can't be trusted!

After all, there's no such thing as magic right? The illusions shown in the narrative must have an explanation!
So, the goal of the Human team is to come up with an explanation, ANY explanation that explains how a human could have possibly committed the crimes.

The Human team wins if they are able to explain the crimes through human means.

However, isn't this too easy? You can just come up with any crazy explanation and claim that you have won...

But the Witch is given a single weapon to fight against these crazy theories!
That weapon is the Witch's Pink Truth!

When the Witch speaks in pink, it will be the truth.
When the Witch speaks the truth, it will be in pink.


By using the Pink Truth, the Witch is able to cut down opposing theories and preserve the illusion of magic.

Pink statements are the only trustworthy words that a Witch will speak. They are the only absolute truth within this game.

In other words, if it's not in pink, you have every right to doubt it!

The Witch may use the Pink Truth at their own leisure.

If the human team asks a question, the Witch can choose whether or not to answer it in pink.
If the human team asks for a statement to be repeated in pink, the Witch has every right to refuse should they choose to do so.

It's the Witch's ultimate weapon!

However, isn't this a bit unfair, again?

If the Pink Truth is the one thing in this game that can be trusted, what if the Witch never speaks in pink? What if they just never drops a single solid footing for the human team to stand on, and vanishes forever within the shadow of illusions?

With no lead, the humans stand no chance, which is why they are given a weapon of their own!

That weapon is the counteracting Blue Truth!

A blue statement must provide a complete theory on how a mystery is possible for humans.
If the blue statement is valid, then it MUST be countered in pink, or the Witch must forfeit that mystery to the Human team.


In other words, if the Human team can land a Blue Truth for every mystery in the tale that the Witch is unable to counter, it is their win!

There is no limit to the number of Blue Truths you can say, as long as it provides a valid human theory, you can fire away.



That's the game's premise. If it doesn't make sense to you, don't worry. Once you give it a try you'll understand how it works very quickly.

The remaining rules are just some logistical guidelines to follow.

There will be one Witch and Game Master for each game session.
The Witch's Pink Truths will be spoken in Bold and the colour "violet".

Everyone else is on the Human team.
The Human team's Blue Truths will be spoken also in Bold and the colour "dodgerblue" (This one you have to type out).

Should the human team win, the person who lands the final blue truth can decide the next Witch.

The last thing is a guarantee of fairness in the game. As this must be a fair game in nature, the Witch must have an appropriate line of "logic" for the Human team to find. In other words, to be a fair game, the human team needs to have a fair chance at winning.

Any situation where a Witch's pink truths make it truly impossible to construct a blue truth is called a "Logic Error". It is the one thing the Witch cannot allow to happen on their gameboard.

In any situation where you don't trust the game itself and suspect a Logic Error has occurred, we can call in an "Observer".
The Observer will check that the Witch's Logic is still valid and does not contradict any of the prior pink truths.



You may have noticed the slight change I made. Pink is a lot easier to read than red, so hopefully this will make the Truths easier to follow.
Enough talk! Let's begin!



You turn the ring over in your fingers. Oh, your client is going to be incredibly pleased when they see what you have collected for them this time. And although the hefty cash sum waiting for you at the end of a car ride will be happily received, it's the thrill of the job that really keeps you going. You smile as you recall the most recent job - the police were incredibly close, but incredibly far. And there's no chance their investigation will lead them here. You scoff as you recall the rumours around DI Burroughs - who has been the detective in charge of investigating (or failing to investigate) your last five jobs - his "magic powers" that help him solve even the toughest of cases.

"You ain't solving this one, buddy," you chuckle, as you place the ring back into its case. "It'll be out of the country before you can say 'witch'."

You look up suddenly, as you hear the door handle being jiggled. You roll your eyes.

"Not again," you mutter. You only just found this abandoned house, and now you'll have to find another.

The jiggling stops. Whoever was at the door has given up. If it's a police force, the door will be kicked down in three... two... one...

Nothing. You turn as you hear the kitchen window creak.

"Just one this time, eh? Maybe I'll have get to have some fun." You pick up your trusty baseball - one of the only things you have left from America, where you grew up -  and venture to the kitchen. As the figure comes towards you, you lift it up and whack it very deliberately on the person's head. They fall to the ground - knocked out cold.

On closer inspection, you realise this person is none other than the DI Burroughs you were mocking just before. What a stroke of luck that he decided to investigate your house seemingly all on his own. He obviously told someone where he was, but that decision gave you fair warning, and meant you had a most annoying DI at your mercy.

"He has to go," you mutter - but how? You love your victims to die in the worst ways possible - and to know that they are. Then it comes to you.

You drag his body to the shower and set up your plan. There's no hot water, but it doesn't matter - the colder, the better. You block up the shower and turn it on - not too much, he needs to realise his fate. You strip the clothes off the DI and shove his body inside. You stand back to admire you handiwork for a second, then remember that the police could be on your tail any minute. You rush outside.

.....

Little did you know, DI Burroughs really is a witch, although he doesn't like to use his powers unless absolutely necessary.

When he wakes up in the shower, he deems it definitely necessary.

With a wave of his hand, the water drains.

Another wave, and the glass is shattered.

The witch conducts a quick wander of the house.

He then leaves through the window he came in.


.....

While you are halfway across town in a stolen vehicle, you remember that you left the ring back at the abandoned house. Cursing yourself, you make the quickest turn you can and head back. Your client gets very angry when he doesn't get what he wants. You check the area for police and enter the house quickly.

You find a strange woman in the room that you left the ring in. On closer inspection you realise she is dead, but with no obvious injuries. The ring is nowhere to be found.

Panicking, you rush to the bathroom. Nothing is out of place, except for the broken glass across the floor and the lack of the DI.

Across the floor. The glass was broken from the inside.

No man could have broken it without some sort of superhuman strength. The rumours must be true then, you decide.

DI Burroughs must be a witch.



Let us begin our game, humans.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 04, 2013, 07:53:00 am
A collection of the Pink Truths.

The DI could not have attacked the woman from inside the shower.

The DI was stripped naked before being put in the shower.

The shower door was never opened.

The shower has two glass sides that reach to the ceiling. The other two sides are the wall.

Only one of the glass sides was smashed.

DI Burroughs left through the hole made by the shattered glass.

You turned the shower on. Water came out of the shower head. The water was still on when you got back.

DI Burroughs did not remove your plugging. (Plugging being the stuff you used to block up the shower.)

The water didn't drain onto the bathroom floor (although it wasn't dry - the DI was wet.)

The only three people involved in the story are the ones mentioned.

The woman's death is related to the DI's escape.

The glass shards were not moved.

There is no 'special flaw' as such in the glass.

It is not possible for a human to break the glass with their bare hands.

The woman did not enter the bathroom.

The ring never entered anyone's mouth.

The shower was broken from the inside.

The shower was empty.

There are three people in this story.

The woman was not involved in breaking the glass.

The bathroom floor stayed intact.

The woman was dead when you found her.

There are no suicides.

The shower was completely sealed when you put the DI in it. (No walls loose, no holes, etc.)

The showerhead wasn't moved.

The woman was not killed by the glass.

The woman was not killed by a thrown object.

The woman was not strangled.

The glass was not broken by ways of voice.

It's not possible for the DI to break a wall with his bare hands. (Or bare anything.)

No natural disasters assisted the story (or occurred during the story) in any way.

There was never a time when the DI could break the shower glass with his bare hands.

There was nothing hidden on the DI.

The DI could not possibly break the door by kicking it.

The shower was completely sealed when you left it.

The ceiling remained intact.

You sealed the shower in such a way that it wasn't possible for the DI to open the door.

The water did not break the glass in any way.

The water never froze.

No trucks or any other object crashed into the house.

The air stayed at normal levels.

It was not cold enough for anything to freeze.

The shower did not make a sound at a frequency to cause the glass to smash.

None of the DI's teeth fell out.

The woman's death was not related to the man's nakedness.

The DI was not wearing any jewelry when you put him in the shower.

The woman was not poisoned.

The DI could not have used his body to break the glass.

The DI does not have any prosthetic limbs.

The floor of the shower stayed intact.

Nothing was placed in the water.

The woman does not faint at the sight of blood.

The DI doesn't have any prosthetic body parts.

The glass is normal glass, there are no special tricks in it.

It is not possible for the door handle to be removed.

The shower doesn't have curtains.

There were no objects in the water.

The shower door was smashed, not cut.

A screw would not be enough to smash the door.

Nothing out of the ordinary came through the window.

There are no secret passages in the shower.

The DI could not have used his blood to smash the shower door.

The woman was not killed by blood in any way.

There is no hose.

Caulk would not be enough to smash the shower.

The glass door was not smashed by a piece of glass.

You broke the taps off to ensure that the DI could not turn the water off. They were not left in the shower.

There was water on the floor, but nowhere near enough as there should have been if the shower was on the whole time and all the water was pouring our of the broken door.

The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.

No "unforeseen natural phenomenons" assisted the DI in his escape.

Smashing the shower door counts as both opening and unsealing the shower.

The DI and the woman are two different bodies.

No method exists through which it is possible for any human to exit the shower while it is sealed.
No method exists through which it is possible for any human to enter the shower while it is sealed.


You dumped the clothes outside the bathroom.

The shower was on the whole time from when you left to when you came back.

The plugging cannot be used as an escape tool.

The only people/animals involved are in the original story.

The water pressure remained constant.

No part of the shower could be broken using only the human body.

The shower and bathroom floors stayed intact.

An escape tool is an object that can be used to smash the shower glass. The glass can only be smashed through the use of an escape tool.

The client never enters the house.

The taps were never replaced.

The water was not mopped up.

The DI did not escape using anything you did to the room, meaning that if he used an object to smash the glass, that object was not touched by you.

The plugging was never removed or partially removed. It stayed fully sealed.

There were no mines or other unusual objects.

The DI didn't use the wall to break the glass.

The DI broke the glass.

The DI had the escape tool in his hands when he broke the glass.

The seal was only broken/unsealed when the DI smashed the glass.

Your memory of the events relating to the DI's escape is exactly as you observed them.

No more than one object was used to break anything.

The two glass walls that were on the shower when you returned are the same two which were on the shower when you left. They were in no way replaced.

Only one wall was smashed. The other was not damaged.

There is one glass door and one glass wall. Because the door cannot be used as such after you plug it, they have both been called glass walls/sides for the purpose of this.

The escape tool did not come from the DI's body in any way (including being inside it.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on November 04, 2013, 08:06:01 am
DI Burroughs was not killed by our actions. The strange woman entered the house and the DI attacked her. In the struggle, the glass was broken and the DI drained the shower of the water. Afterwards, the detective moved the body to the room where we left the ring.

first theory, most likely shot down immediately.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 04, 2013, 08:17:40 am
DI Burroughs was not killed by our actions. The strange woman entered the house and the DI attacked her. In the struggle, the glass was broken and the DI drained the shower of the water. Afterwards, the detective moved the body to the room where we left the ring.

first theory, most likely shot down immediately.

The DI could not have attacked the woman from inside the shower.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on November 04, 2013, 09:00:52 am
ill start with a question: did DI have anything on them at the time they were put in the shower?

if i must have a blue truth, so be it.
the DI woke up and got something from his pockets. he then used that to destroy the window then walked into the main room where he found the woman handling the ring. DI had thought that the person stole the ring and was getting away with it so he went to the kitchen without being noticed and grabbed a rolling pin. he then whacked the rolling pin against the lady's temple killing them. the DI then had seconds to put the pin back and get out before the detective (you) came in and inspected the body. because the hit had been so fresh, it hadnt been given time to bruise.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 04, 2013, 09:20:04 am
That's already countered by the story, but I'll repeat it to clarify.
The DI was stripped naked before being put in the shower.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Kakerlake on November 04, 2013, 11:28:24 am
The now dead woman was the backup for DI and came looking for him when he didn't check in in time.

She found DI in the closed shower, so she opened it and saved him. Sadly, he still had some brain damage and the first thing to do when he woke up was to kill the next person he saw.
Realizing what he did and knowing the only witness is whoever knocked him out, he tried to cloud his actions. So he went to the shower with a chair (or some tool to break the glass), closed it, broke the glass, went outside through the broken glass and locked the shower from outsidee again.

Then he randomly found the ring and took it. Same reason why guybrush threepwood would take an old, frozen stiff fish from the table. It could come in handy.

Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: timetock on November 04, 2013, 11:47:45 am
why would "I" strip someone naked again?
 ?_?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Kakerlake on November 04, 2013, 11:55:59 am
why would "I" strip someone naked again?
 ?_?
Because you like seeing naked man fail in the shower xD
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 04, 2013, 06:08:55 pm
The now dead woman was the backup for DI and came looking for him when he didn't check in in time.

She found DI in the closed shower, so she opened it and saved him. Sadly, he still had some brain damage and the first thing to do when he woke up was to kill the next person he saw.
Realizing what he did and knowing the only witness is whoever knocked him out, he tried to cloud his actions. So he went to the shower with a chair (or some tool to break the glass), closed it, broke the glass, went outside through the broken glass and locked the shower from outsidee again.

Then he randomly found the ring and took it. Same reason why guybrush threepwood would take an old, frozen stiff fish from the table. It could come in handy.


The shower door was never opened.

why would "I" strip someone naked again?
 ?_?

You're not a very mentally stable person. ;)
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on November 04, 2013, 06:18:28 pm
The water filled the shower to the point that the water pressure caused the glass door to give way and shatter. Someone came in and found the mess and the body, did not have time to clean up but opened the drain of the shower to remove the body more easily. This body made this person scared and since they cared for you, took the body out of the house to hide the evidence and replaced it with a body you have not touched - the female. This person saw you coming back, so did not have time to completely replace the body with the new one, leaving it in the room where you left the key.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 04, 2013, 06:22:32 pm
So, are the 'escape from shower' and'dead woman'  counted as two different mysteries, and thus we can provide a blue truth that explains one of them?

if so: Someone (presumably the woman that now lies dead) throws an object (a chair or whatever) over the door (if that is possible) and the DI uses it to smash the shower door.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: kaempfer13 on November 04, 2013, 06:28:54 pm
Couldn't he just use the showerhead to smash the glass?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Rutarete on November 04, 2013, 07:00:03 pm
Posting to follow.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: EvaRia on November 04, 2013, 07:27:12 pm
You've never played against me as a human before, have you?

I've never been the challenger either so this should be fun!

Get ready!

First, I request a confirmation that this story follows the rules of Knox's Decalogue. You may refuse the truth if deemed necessary.

Let's start with the obvious theories.

Escaping the shower:

It's possible that the man who you imprisoned in the shower simply broke the glass to escape from your shower trap.
Quote
No man could have broken it without some sort of superhuman strength.
Repeat it in pink!

It's possible that at the moment I left the shower room, the enclosure in the shower wasn't perfect. For example, if there was no ceiling in the shower or a hole in the wall large enough for a human to pass through. In any of these possibilities, the man I trapped could simply have left through the opening.
I request a description in pink regarding the nature of the "closed" shower.



The water draining:

This seems simple, but it's definitely a small segment of the mystery.

It's possible that the water didn't actually drain. If so, there would be water all over the floor of the bathroom.
Repeat it in pink! "When you came back to the bathroom, there was no water on the floor."

The house is old. It's possible that there just isn't any plumbing. In that case, turning the shower on would not result in any water coming through the showerhead, and there would be no water to drain in the first place.
Repeat it in pink! "As long as the shower is turned on, water will definitely come through the showerhead." and "You definitely turned on the shower before leaving the bathroom."

It's possible that my method of plugging up the shower was imperfect or disruptable. If imperfect, the shower would simply drain, nothing strange about it. If disruptable, the man I trapped in the shower could simply remove the plug and the water would drain.
I request a description of how I plugged the shower.



Shattering the glass:

Anyone could have just smashed the glass! there's nothing strange about it at all!
This can be countered same as my first statement. I'd like a confirmation that it's not possible to break the glass with your bare hands.

Else - It's possible that the glass was smashed after the man you trapped inside the shower escaped. If this is true, then any tool required to smash the glass (Say, a sledgehammer or crowbar) could simply be procured without difficulty. There's nothing strange about it!
No request here, just show me your counter!



The murder:

Any human in the world without an alibi could have performed the murder! There's nothing strange about it at all!
I request some limiting factor (say, a closed room, a limitation of culprits) that actually makes this less than completely possible.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on November 04, 2013, 08:22:34 pm
I'll follow on from Eva with the murder.
The DI came through the window. When you heard knocking on the door, it came from the lady who you don't know. when the DI escaped the shower, he saw the woman fiddling with the ring. The woman tried to get away but since she was shocked to see the DI and somehow, the ring got lodged in the girls throat where she choked to death.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 04, 2013, 10:03:49 pm
Yay for game 2
theory time

The DI was able to unblock the drain but was still stuck in the shower. By banging very loudly, he was able to get a woman to climb in through the window like he had, come up to the bathroom and smash the glass with a heavy/sharp object. The DI then went to get dressed/recover from his experience. Meanwhile the woman had found the ring and was stealing it when the DI walked in. Angry that he had been betrayed, the DI killed the woman by forcing her to drink something bad (bleach or something). Then he realized that he was a murderer and ran away super fast like.

OR

A woman happened to see you burst out of the house cursing about filling a shower to kill someone before stealing a car. Heroically, she ran into the house and smashed the shower to save the nearly dead DI. After helping him recover, the woman was mistaken for you by the confused DI who then dispatched her by choking. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 04, 2013, 10:13:23 pm
Also some more blue truths about escaping the shower:

The wall was loose, and he easily broke it, escaped, entered with something to break the glass door, and then rebuilt the wall.

Someone outside broke the glass door and helped him out, then all the shards were moved to make it look like it was broken from the inside.

The shower door can be removed from the hinges, and the DI used this to exit and get a tool to break the door with.

The shower door has a flaw where it is possible to hit one specific point of it, and then the whole door breaks. The Di knew this flaw, and used it to escape.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: timetock on November 05, 2013, 12:52:01 am
I'll wait until some more pinks come out.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on November 05, 2013, 12:55:36 am
I'll wait until some more pinks come out.

why? your avatar .gif is a blue truth if i ever saw one
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: timetock on November 05, 2013, 01:10:34 am
._. ok
I'll wait until some more pinks come out.
why? your avatar .gif is a blue truth if i ever saw one

The woman and the DI were working together. The woman was the DI's backup. She breaks open the glass, frees the DI, and mocks him. However she was poisoned earlier and staggers to that room and dies. The DI finds the ring and picks it up, then escapes unseen.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 05, 2013, 05:45:46 am
The water filled the shower to the point that the water pressure caused the glass door to give way and shatter. Someone came in and found the mess and the body, did not have time to clean up but opened the drain of the shower to remove the body more easily. This body made this person scared and since they cared for you, took the body out of the house to hide the evidence and replaced it with a body you have not touched - the female. This person saw you coming back, so did not have time to completely replace the body with the new one, leaving it in the room where you left the key.

So, are the 'escape from shower' and'dead woman'  counted as two different mysteries, and thus we can provide a blue truth that explains one of them?

if so: Someone (presumably the woman that now lies dead) throws an object (a chair or whatever) over the door (if that is possible) and the DI uses it to smash the shower door.

Quote
It's possible that at the moment I left the shower room, the enclosure in the shower wasn't perfect. For example, if there was no ceiling in the shower or a hole in the wall large enough for a human to pass through. In any of these possibilities, the man I trapped could simply have left through the opening.
I request a description in pink regarding the nature of the "closed" shower.

Also some more blue truths about escaping the shower:

The wall was loose, and he easily broke it, escaped, entered with something to break the glass door, and then rebuilt the wall.

The shower door can be removed from the hinges, and the DI used this to exit and get a tool to break the door with.


The shower has two glass sides that reach to the ceiling. The other two sides are the wall.
Only one of the glass sides was smashed.
DI Burroughs left through the hole made by the shattered glass.

Quote
The water draining:

This seems simple, but it's definitely a small segment of the mystery.

It's possible that the water didn't actually drain. If so, there would be water all over the floor of the bathroom.
Repeat it in pink! "When you came back to the bathroom, there was no water on the floor."

The house is old. It's possible that there just isn't any plumbing. In that case, turning the shower on would not result in any water coming through the showerhead, and there would be no water to drain in the first place.
Repeat it in pink! "As long as the shower is turned on, water will definitely come through the showerhead." and "You definitely turned on the shower before leaving the bathroom."

It's possible that my method of plugging up the shower was imperfect or disruptable. If imperfect, the shower would simply drain, nothing strange about it. If disruptable, the man I trapped in the shower could simply remove the plug and the water would drain.
I request a description of how I plugged the shower.

You turned the shower on. Water came out of the shower head. The water was still on when you got back.
DI Burroughs did not remove you plugging. (Plugging being the stuff you used to block up the shower.)
The water didn't drain onto the bathroom floor (although it wasn't dry - the DI was wet.)

Any human in the world without an alibi could have performed the murder! There's nothing strange about it at all!
I request some limiting factor (say, a closed room, a limitation of culprits) that actually makes this less than completely possible.

The only three people involved in the story are the ones mentioned.
The woman's death is related to the DI's escape.

Also some more blue truths about escaping the shower:

Someone outside broke the glass door and helped him out, then all the shards were moved to make it look like it was broken from the inside.

The shower door has a flaw where it is possible to hit one specific point of it, and then the whole door breaks. The DI knew this flaw, and used it to escape.



The glass shards were not moved.
There is no 'special flaw' as such in the glass.
It is not possible for a human to break the glass with their bare hands. Of course, a witch could do it easily.

The woman and the DI were working together. The woman was the DI's backup. She breaks open the glass, frees the DI, and mocks him. However she was poisoned earlier and staggers to that room and dies. The DI finds the ring and picks it up, then escapes unseen.

Yay for game 2
theory time

The DI was able to unblock the drain but was still stuck in the shower. By banging very loudly, he was able to get a woman to climb in through the window like he had, come up to the bathroom and smash the glass with a heavy/sharp object. The DI then went to get dressed/recover from his experience. Meanwhile the woman had found the ring and was stealing it when the DI walked in. Angry that he had been betrayed, the DI killed the woman by forcing her to drink something bad (bleach or something). Then he realized that he was a murderer and ran away super fast like.

OR

A woman happened to see you burst out of the house cursing about filling a shower to kill someone before stealing a car. Heroically, she ran into the house and smashed the shower to save the nearly dead DI. After helping him recover, the woman was mistaken for you by the confused DI who then dispatched her by choking. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.


The woman did not enter the bathroom.



I think that's covered everything. I haven't quoted everything but the pinks should all cover the blue. If I haven't countered your Blue then just quote it and I'll get onto it :)
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on November 05, 2013, 07:58:55 am
I'll follow on from Eva with the murder.
The DI came through the window. When you heard knocking on the door, it came from the lady who you don't know. when the DI escaped the shower, he saw the woman fiddling with the ring. The woman tried to get away but since she was shocked to see the DI and somehow, the ring got lodged in the girls throat where she choked to death.
where is mah counter?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 05, 2013, 06:44:15 pm
New theory!

A woman happened to see you burst out of the house cursing about filling a shower to kill someone before stealing a car. Heroically, she ran into the house and smashed the shower by throwing heavy objects at the show from the doorway. The DI regained consciousness to see a woman hurling heavy objects at him, and so when the glass was broken went and killed her by choking her. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 05, 2013, 06:59:47 pm
There was an object inside the shower (hidden or not) which the DI used to smahs the door and get out

Also some things to repeat (if you can...):
There are no way to enter or exit the shower except through the door (or a hole in the door).

And to prevent what confused everyone so much last game:
There are exactly three person related to this story: You, the DI, and the woman. When a person is referred to, there are no ambiguity on which person it is. (That is, there are no point in the story or pink truths were for example, "the woman" is used to refer to the DI)

Hope you understand what I meant, and if someone could reword it better, go ahead.

Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: ZaIn43 on November 05, 2013, 11:15:45 pm
We have yet to have knox's Decalogue confirmed, as such

The DI used a secret passage, hidden to you, to escape, the opening of this passage broke the door of the shower. 
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 06, 2013, 02:04:20 am
What if the DI kicked rather than punched their way out the glass?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 06, 2013, 03:27:26 am
I'll follow on from Eva with the murder.
The DI came through the window. When you heard knocking on the door, it came from the lady who you don't know. when the DI escaped the shower, he saw the woman fiddling with the ring. The woman tried to get away but since she was shocked to see the DI and somehow, the ring got lodged in the girls throat where she choked to death.
where is mah counter?

The woman's death is related to the DI's escape.
But if you want:
The ring never entered anyone's mouth.

New theory!

A woman happened to see you burst out of the house cursing about filling a shower to kill someone before stealing a car. Heroically, she ran into the house and smashed the shower by throwing heavy objects at the show from the doorway. The DI regained consciousness to see a woman hurling heavy objects at him, and so when the glass was broken went and killed her by choking her. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.

The shower was broken from the inside.

There was an object inside the shower (hidden or not) which the DI used to smahs the door and get out

Also some things to repeat (if you can...):
There are no way to enter or exit the shower except through the door (or a hole in the door).

And to prevent what confused everyone so much last game:
There are exactly three person related to this story: You, the DI, and the woman. When a person is referred to, there are no ambiguity on which person it is. (That is, there are no point in the story or pink truths were for example, "the woman" is used to refer to the DI)

Hope you understand what I meant, and if someone could reword it better, go ahead


The shower was empty.
There are three people in this story.

We have yet to have knox's Decalogue confirmed, as such

The DI used a secret passage, hidden to you, to escape, the opening of this passage broke the door of the shower. 

DI Burroughs left through the hole made by the shattered glass.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 06, 2013, 04:23:27 am
The DI was locked in with the woman, and she died when the DI threw her through the glass.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on November 06, 2013, 04:27:57 am
Did the DI kill the woman?
Does the ring play any role in the answer?

The DI was locked in with the woman, and she died when the DI threw her through the glass.
Don't forget, when the detective found the woman, she had no marks on her. Throwing someone out a glass door would probably make a mark...
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 06, 2013, 05:49:12 am
Even newer theory!

A woman (who happened to own a high caliber rifle and be able to operate it effectively) happened to see you burst out of the house cursing about filling a shower to kill someone before stealing a car. Heroically, she ran into the house and told the now conscious DI to crouch in the bottom of the shower. She then ran outside (or into the room behind) with her high caliber rifle and shot so that the bullet penetrated the shower wall, and then the glass wall hence, breaking the glass from inside the shower. So the bullet entered the shower through the solid wall of the shower and left through the glass wall. The DI got pretty angry that the woman just shot at him and went and killed her by choking her. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on November 06, 2013, 06:03:52 am
The weight of the body and water causes the floor to collapse below the shower. Only part of the shower was torn apart, leaving the 2nd pane of glass intact. The crash through the floor caused an impact that landed on the woman killing her, while shattering the pane of glass. The DI crashed into the glass during this process, which paired with the fall woke him up, and had to pry himself loose from it before escaping the scene.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 07, 2013, 05:54:41 pm
There was a hole in the wall, and the woman used it to give the DI an object with which to smash the wall.
There was a hole in the ceiling, and the woman used it to give the DI an object with which to smash the wall.
There was a hole in the floor, and the woman used it to give the DI an object with which to smash the wall.




Also, you have not confirme anything from Knox's decalogue yet, so I want you to repeat Knox's 7th:
It is forbidden for the detective to be the culprit. (With the 'you' in the story as the detective in this case)

Also, can you repeat:
There are no suicides.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 08, 2013, 10:09:28 am
The DI was locked in with the woman, and she died when the DI threw her through the glass.

The woman did not enter the bathroom.

Even newer theory!

A woman (who happened to own a high caliber rifle and be able to operate it effectively) happened to see you burst out of the house cursing about filling a shower to kill someone before stealing a car. Heroically, she ran into the house and told the now conscious DI to crouch in the bottom of the shower. She then ran outside (or into the room behind) with her high caliber rifle and shot so that the bullet penetrated the shower wall, and then the glass wall hence, breaking the glass from inside the shower. So the bullet entered the shower through the solid wall of the shower and left through the glass wall. The DI got pretty angry that the woman just shot at him and went and killed her by choking her. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.

The woman was not involved in breaking the glass.

The weight of the body and water causes the floor to collapse below the shower. Only part of the shower was torn apart, leaving the 2nd pane of glass intact. The crash through the floor caused an impact that landed on the woman killing her, while shattering the pane of glass. The DI crashed into the glass during this process, which paired with the fall woke him up, and had to pry himself loose from it before escaping the scene.

The bathroom floor stayed intact.

There was a hole in the wall, and the woman used it to give the DI an object with which to smash the wall.
There was a hole in the ceiling, and the woman used it to give the DI an object with which to smash the wall.
There was a hole in the floor, and the woman used it to give the DI an object with which to smash the wall.




Also, you have not confirme anything from Knox's decalogue yet, so I want you to repeat Knox's 7th:
It is forbidden for the detective to be the culprit. (With the 'you' in the story as the detective in this case)

Also, can you repeat:
There are no suicides.

Those knox things are rather confusing (what is a chinaman?)  so I'd rather not confirm something I'm not 100% on, but The woman was dead when you found her.
There are no suicides.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 08, 2013, 11:44:26 am
You never countered my blue truths
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: kaempfer13 on November 08, 2013, 01:00:09 pm
The woman was not involved in breaking the glass.
You never countered my blue truths
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 08, 2013, 02:50:58 pm
For the Knox's Decalouge: http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Knox's_Decalogue  The first list there are pretty straightforward. The only really weird one is Knox's 5th, which is not included, so no need for that. Of course, you don't have to completely follow it or confirm anything from it, but those aren't very confusing.

Anyway:
The woman was not involved in breaking the glass.
You never countered my blue truths
Ok, I thought it meant the woman was not directly involved (as in, she didn't break the glass), but I suppose you are right.

Some more then:
There was a hole in the wall, and the DI used it to take an object from right outside and use it to smash the door.
The wall was loose, so the DI managed to take a part of it and use it to break the door
The DI used the showerhead to break the door.

When the DI broke the glass, a very small glass shard hit the woman in such a way so that she immediately died, but there was no obvious mark on her.
The object that the DI used to break the door was thrown out and hit the woman causing her to die.
When the DI left the bathroom, she saw the woman and became furious that she didn't help him, so he strangled her to death.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Eddygp on November 08, 2013, 05:28:03 pm
DI Burroughs actually is a woman.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 08, 2013, 09:09:25 pm
The woman was not involved in breaking the glass.

How far does this go? Can the woman be involved indirectly/accidentally? Can the woman help the DI break the glass or can she merely give him a heavy object?

Whilst waiting for an answer, here's another theory.

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. The DI is actually a famous opera singer who was able to hold his voice at such a pitch that the glass shattered. He regained consciousness and then did so, so that he could escape. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and choked her. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on November 08, 2013, 09:38:44 pm
did the DI kill the woman? if so, did he do it on purpose?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 09, 2013, 01:55:25 am
did the DI kill the woman? if so, did he do it on purpose?
Extract an answer from Annele using blue truths. Thats our only way.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on November 09, 2013, 01:56:35 am
did the DI kill the woman? if so, did he do it on purpose?
Extract an answer from Annele using blue truths. Thats our only way.
Technically we could ask about Knox's stuff and if she follows it she says in pink and we dont need blue.
Also, she can answer non-blues however she wants, but doesn't have to at all.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 10, 2013, 03:17:00 am
Some more then:
There was a hole in the wall, and the DI used it to take an object from right outside and use it to smash the door.
The wall was loose, so the DI managed to take a part of it and use it to break the door
The DI used the showerhead to break the door.

When the DI broke the glass, a very small glass shard hit the woman in such a way so that she immediately died, but there was no obvious mark on her.
The object that the DI used to break the door was thrown out and hit the woman causing her to die.
When the DI left the bathroom, she saw the woman and became furious that she didn't help him, so he strangled her to death.


The shower was completely sealed when you put the DI in it. (No walls loose, no holes, etc.)
The showerhead wasn't moved.
The woman was not killed by the glass.
The woman was not killed by a thrown object.
The woman was not strangled.

DI Burroughs actually is a woman.

Blue truth insufficient.

The woman was not involved in breaking the glass.

How far does this go? Can the woman be involved indirectly/accidentally? Can the woman help the DI break the glass or can she merely give him a heavy object?

The witch did not need the help of the woman! He broke the glass using magic!

Whilst waiting for an answer, here's another theory.

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. The DI is actually a famous opera singer who was able to hold his voice at such a pitch that the glass shattered. He regained consciousness and then did so, so that he could escape. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and choked her. After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.

The glass was not broken by ways of voice.

did the DI kill the woman? if so, did he do it on purpose?

The DI sucked the lifeforce out of her because she saw him using magic.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 10, 2013, 03:34:54 am
The DI broke a hole in the wall/roof/floor, and took an object from the outside and broke the door with it
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 10, 2013, 05:21:56 am
The DI broke a hole in the wall/roof/floor, and took an object from the outside and broke the door with it

It's not possible for the DI to break a wall with his bare hands. (Or bare anything.)
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 10, 2013, 06:32:49 am
Here's another theory for you to ponder.

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. Whilst you were gone, a small scale earthquake occurred and destroyed up to 3 pillars in the target stack caused a part of the ceiling inside the shower to fall and break the glass from the inside. The DI regained consciousness and then decided to repair the ceiling because he's a tad weird and likes DIY. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 10, 2013, 06:38:20 am
The showerhead pressurized the water in the shower to the point where the DI could break a hole in the glass with the water pressure and a hard punch.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 10, 2013, 02:54:23 pm
The DI had hid a tool inside his mouth which he used to break the glass
The DI kicked the door so it broke (It's not his 'bare hands'!)
A small meteorite fell down through the roof and broke the door
The door was broken earlier, somehow you had missed it when you shut him in, and then the DI simply escaped through the hole that was already there
Ok, I know I am really pushing it with these, but at least we'll get som more pink truths :p
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Korugar on November 11, 2013, 02:16:44 am
The DI had an object hidden on his body, likely in an orifice one would not wish to search. This object was a projectile weapon (I'm not actually sure if this is possible in reality, so:) or made out of a substance hard enough to break glass. This sudden noise, be it a gun shot or the breaking of glass, frightened the young lady to death, perhaps due to some heart condition or an extreme condition of phonophobia.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on November 11, 2013, 02:20:05 am
The DI had an object hidden on his body, likely in an orifice one would not wish to search. This object was a projectile weapon (I'm not actually sure if this is possible in reality, so:) or made out of a substance hard enough to break glass. This sudden noise, be it a gun shot or the breaking of glass, frightened the young lady to death, perhaps due to some heart condition or an extreme condition of phonophobia.
this is why you edit the color option to "dodgerblue"
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 11, 2013, 06:04:25 am
Here's another theory for you to ponder.

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. Whilst you were gone, a small scale earthquake occurred and destroyed up to 3 pillars in the target stack caused a part of the ceiling inside the shower to fall and break the glass from the inside. The DI regained consciousness and then decided to repair the ceiling because he's a tad weird and likes DIY. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.

Besides the fact that I laughed way too hard at the strikethrough:

No natural disasters assisted the story (or occurred during the story) in any way.

The showerhead pressurized the water in the shower to the point where the DI could break a hole in the glass with the water pressure and a hard punch.

There was never a time when the DI could break the shower glass with his bare hands.

The DI had hid a tool inside his mouth which he used to break the glass
The DI kicked the door so it broke (It's not his 'bare hands'!)
A small meteorite fell down through the roof and broke the door
The door was broken earlier, somehow you had missed it when you shut him in, and then the DI simply escaped through the hole that was already there
Ok, I know I am really pushing it with these, but at least we'll get som more pink truths :p

1. There was nothing hidden on the DI.
2. The DI could not possibly break the door by kicking it.
3. See above
4. The shower was completely sealed when you left it. (Yay for the return of perfect seals)

Aside from the fact that the last comment hurts my eyes, it's countered by a pink truth above.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 11, 2013, 06:12:03 am
How far does "natural disaster" go?

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. Whilst you were gone, a truck crashed into the old, weak house and caused a part of the ceiling inside the shower to fall and break the glass from the inside. The DI regained consciousness and then decided to repair the ceiling because he's a tad weird and likes DIY. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 11, 2013, 08:42:17 pm
Well, I won't give up yet, far from.

The DI opened the shower door (how do you 'lock' a shower door anyway...?) took something from right outside, and smashed the door.
The water pressure broke the door.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 11, 2013, 11:09:59 pm
What if the DI is the dead woman?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Korugar on November 12, 2013, 12:25:21 am
this is why you edit the color option to "dodgerblue"

Ah, apologies. Looks like my ideas were answered, though.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 13, 2013, 06:12:55 am
How far does "natural disaster" go?

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. Whilst you were gone, a truck crashed into the old, weak house and caused a part of the ceiling inside the shower to fall and break the glass from the inside. The DI regained consciousness and then decided to repair the ceiling because he's a tad weird and likes DIY. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.

The ceiling remained intact.

Well, I won't give up yet, far from.

The DI opened the shower door (how do you 'lock' a shower door anyway...?) took something from right outside, and smashed the door.
The water pressure broke the door.


You sealed the shower in such a way that it wasn't possible for the DI to open the door.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on November 13, 2013, 09:46:11 am
the DI rotated the shower head so it was facing the glass. he then turned it onto full heat and waited a bit. he then turned the water to freezing so the glass would then crack under the temperature change (like other stuff does) and then simply bashed it with his shoulder
thats the first part
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 13, 2013, 12:32:03 pm
You didn't answer my second blue truth.

Also, I immediately follow with another that even answers the womans death:
It was really cold, so some of the water froze to ice. Using an ice shunk, the DI broke the door and then killed the woman with it.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 13, 2013, 03:12:54 pm
For some reason, the water from the showerhead was pulsing at the resonant frequency of the glass, so when the water came out, the glass broke.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 13, 2013, 04:19:32 pm
For some reason, the water from the showerhead was pulsing at the resonant frequency of the glass, so when the water came out, the glass broke.
Lol, best theory so far. Very weirdly built showerhead. Still, must be pretty amazing to have shower that could break glass by simply being close :p
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 13, 2013, 10:37:08 pm
If you don't want to read this again, the only difference is that "ceiling" has been change for "wall".

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. Whilst you were gone, a truck crashed into the old, weak house and caused a part of the wall inside the shower to fall and break the glass from the inside. The DI regained consciousness and then decided to repair the wall because he's a tad weird and likes DIY. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 14, 2013, 03:50:44 am
Another variant of "The shower broke the glass":
 The water from the shower came out at the speed of sound and broke the glass.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 14, 2013, 04:50:53 am
The water did not break the glass in any way.

Also, I immediately follow with another that even answers the womans death:
It was really cold, so some of the water froze to ice. Using an ice shunk, the DI broke the door and then killed the woman with it.

This one is close!
But The water never froze.

If you don't want to read this again, the only difference is that "ceiling" has been change for "wall".

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. Whilst you were gone, a truck crashed into the old, weak house and caused a part of the wall inside the shower to fall and break the glass from the inside. The DI regained consciousness and then decided to repair the wall because he's a tad weird and likes DIY. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.

No trucks or any other object crashed into the house.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 14, 2013, 04:56:24 am
Now without a single truck!

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. Because the house is old and crumbling and because the shower hasn't been used for years, a part of the wall inside the shower to fall and break the glass from the inside. The DI regained consciousness and then decided to repair the wall because he's a tad weird and likes DIY. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 14, 2013, 05:20:11 am
Now without a single truck!

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. Because the house is old and crumbling and because the shower hasn't been used for years, a part of the wall inside the shower to fall and break the glass from the inside. The DI regained consciousness and then decided to repair the wall because he's a tad weird and likes DIY. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.

The wall did not break.

Also, remember
The woman's death is related to the DI's escape.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 14, 2013, 06:09:06 am
I'm going to keep posting blue truths until you tell me straight out who/what broke the glass.
The shower was set of a drip, but the air inside the shower was also pressurized by sewer gas that seeped into the plumbing as a result of another project you did. This sewer gas pressure broke the glass.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on November 14, 2013, 06:23:30 am
The DI grabbed the shower head and smashed it into the door of the shower, breaking a hole in it. He then escaped out through the broken door.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 15, 2013, 09:49:36 pm
The DI bit himself and started to bleed. Eventually, the blood froze to ice and he used a frozen ice chunk to crush the glass and kill the woman. (Yes, the DI is completely crazy)
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 16, 2013, 04:43:09 am
I'm going to keep posting blue truths until you tell me straight out who/what broke the glass.
The shower was set of a drip, but the air inside the shower was also pressurized by sewer gas that seeped into the plumbing as a result of another project you did. This sewer gas pressure broke the glass.

The DI broke the glass with a wave of his witch hand. Duh. Didn't you read the first post?
The air stayed at normal levels.

The DI bit himself and started to bleed. Eventually, the blood froze to ice and he used a frozen ice chunk to crush the glass and kill the woman. (Yes, the DI is completely crazy)

It was not cold enough for anything to freeze.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 16, 2013, 06:18:38 pm
 The showerhead was emitting a loud tone at the resonant frequency of the glass.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 16, 2013, 06:33:28 pm
Another one for you Annele

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. When you put the DI in the shower, he hit his mouth and one of his teeth feel out. After regaining consciousness, he held this tooth to the glass and hit it hard, so that the shower glass shattered. (If you've seen Sherlock S2 E3, its like that but with a tooth instead of a diamond). The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 17, 2013, 04:05:31 pm
Ok, for clarification, Repeat this:

From the time you closed the shower, to the time the glass broke, the shower was a perfect 'closed room'. That is, nothing (except the water I guess) could enter or exit the shower during this time.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Eddygp on November 17, 2013, 09:00:06 pm
Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. The glass of the shower was quite warm, so in contact with the cold water it broke (just introduce a hot glass in cold water and you'll see how it cracks). The DI pushes a bit in order to finish with the cracked glass. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in western Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 17, 2013, 09:57:43 pm
inb4 red truth saying "The DI never went to Cuba" :P
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 17, 2013, 11:08:56 pm
No problem. Then switch "went to cuba" for "committed suicide".
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 18, 2013, 04:41:52 am
The showerhead was emitting a loud tone at the resonant frequency of the glass.

The shower did not make a sound at a frequency to cause the glass to smash.

Another one for you Annele

Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. When you put the DI in the shower, he hit his mouth and one of his teeth feel out. After regaining consciousness, he held this tooth to the glass and hit it hard, so that the shower glass shattered. (If you've seen Sherlock S2 E3, its like that but with a tooth instead of a diamond). The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.

Funny you should mention Sherlock. I got the idea for this off a Johnlock fanfic. (Try searching johnlock and shower, I dare you :P)

None of the DI's teeth fell out.

Also, I'll remind you again that
The woman's death is related to the DI's escape.

Ok, for clarification, Repeat this:

From the time you closed the shower, to the time the glass broke, the shower was a perfect 'closed room'. That is, nothing (except the water I guess) could enter or exit the shower during this time.

I don't give out anything for free! Show me your blue truth!
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on November 18, 2013, 04:45:39 am
Woman 1/2 of the mystery:

For some reason, the woman was in the house. After the DI got out of the shower, he had come across the woman, who had a heart attack at the sight of his nakedness. He then simply left before more weird events took place.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 18, 2013, 05:14:55 am
Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. However, when stripping the DI, you forgot to remove his diamond ear-ring (Oh NO!). The DI then smashed the glass with ease using this 100% pure diamond. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in Cuba.

I have a thing about searching the internet for people in showers so I think I'll pass.

Also, could you state in blue that none of the DI's other body parts could have been removed and used to break the glass? I really don't want to write a blue truth that graphic so you'd be doing me a favour here.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 18, 2013, 05:35:17 am
I'll do that for you.
The DI has a prosthetic leg. He took it off and used it as a tool to break the glass.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 18, 2013, 05:44:06 am
The woman's death was not related to the man's nakedness.

The DI was not wearing any jewelry when you put him in the shower.

That bleach thing is really annoying me
The woman's death is related to the DI's escape.
So
The woman was not poisoned.

The DI could not have used his body to break the glass.

The DI does not have any prosthetic limbs.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 18, 2013, 06:37:15 am
The DI took a tile off the shower floor and found a tunnel. He used a piece of pipe he found there to smash the glass.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 18, 2013, 11:39:13 am
Ok, for clarification, Repeat this:

From the time you closed the shower, to the time the glass broke, the shower was a perfect 'closed room'. That is, nothing (except the water I guess) could enter or exit the shower during this time.

I don't give out anything for free! Show me your blue truth!
As you wish. There is one hole in the 'closed shower' that you have deliberately kept open, and I will strike there:
Before the events of the story, the DI placed some very small tools inside the water pipe leading to the house. When he was later trapped inside the shower, his tools came out with the running water, and the DI used it to break the door

Before the events of the story, the DI placed some special gel inside the water pipe leading to the house. When he was later trapped inside the shower, the gel came out with the running water, and then solidified. The DI then used the solid gel to break the glass.

Before the events of the story, the DI placed some very small explosives inside the water pipe leading to the house. When he was later trapped inside the shower, the explosives came out with the running water. The DI then used the explosives to blow up the door.

EDIT: And as a special bonus: The woman drank the water and got whatever the DI had placed in it inside her, killing her.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Eddygp on November 18, 2013, 05:33:11 pm
Water came out of the shower head, but at such a rate that it would take hours to fill the shower. The glass of the shower was quite warm, so in contact with the cold water it broke (just introduce a hot glass in cold water and you'll see how it cracks). The DI pushes a bit in order to finish with the cracked glass. The woman was another thief who tried to steal the ring before the DI found and poisoned her with something from the bathroom (bleach or something). After realizing his crime, the DI then moved the body into the other room, stole the ring and ran away to start a new life in western Cuba.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 18, 2013, 06:30:54 pm
Can we include things like dentures, glass eyes, metal plates inside the body and other prosthetic stuff on the banned list?

However the DI escaped from the shower, he cut himself and started bleeding. The woman was there for whatever reason and she fainted at the sight of blood and hit her head on something. This killed her but didn't leave a trace somehow.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 19, 2013, 12:25:06 am
 The DI took his dentures out of his mouth and cracked the glass with them.
Another variation of the removable body part theory.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 21, 2013, 11:22:28 pm
BM UP
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on November 21, 2013, 11:45:19 pm
There is room directly beneath the bathroom. Something from this room was forced upwards, through the floor of the shower at an angle to smash the glass. Possible explanations include there was a boiler which exploded and some metal came up OR a bullet was fired upwards accidentally or something like this. The DI was then able to escape and repair the damage. The woman was another thief who happened to be have Phonophobia (fear of loud noises) and had a heart attack and died frm the boiler explosion and/or gun being fired. The DI then stole the ring and ran off (the visit to Cuba is optional).

Alternatively

For whatever reason, one pane of glass was shaped weirdly so that ,on a clear day at a certain date and time, the light from the bathroom window would hit the first glass wall, be refracted and bent through the shower to focus exactly on the second glass wall. The heat caused the second glass wall to smash allowing the DI to escape. However, when the glass exploded, the DI was injured at started bleeding. The woman was another thief who had hemophobia (fear of blood) and suffered heart attack at the sight of his injuries. The Di then took the ring and legged it.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 22, 2013, 01:18:54 am
There is room directly beneath the bathroom. Something from this room was forced upwards, through the floor of the shower at an angle to smash the glass. Possible explanations include there was a boiler which exploded and some metal came up OR a bullet was fired upwards accidentally or something like this. The DI was then able to escape and repair the damage. The woman was another thief who happened to be have Phonophobia (fear of loud noises) and had a heart attack and died frm the boiler explosion and/or gun being fired. The DI then stole the ring and ran off (the visit to Cuba is optional).

Alternatively

For whatever reason, one pane of glass was shaped weirdly so that ,on a clear day at a certain date and time, the light from the bathroom window would hit the first glass wall, be refracted and bent through the shower to focus exactly on the second glass wall. The heat caused the second glass wall to smash allowing the DI to escape. However, when the glass exploded, the DI was injured at started bleeding. The woman was another thief who had hemophobia (fear of blood) and suffered heart attack at the sight of his injuries. The Di then took the ring and legged it.
Inb4 pink truth saying the woman has no phobias.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 24, 2013, 11:18:01 am
So, did this die? Annele hasn't updated this in severeal days. I actually have a witch's game ready myself, but I'd like to see this finished.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on November 26, 2013, 10:12:18 am
Sorry, I've been really busy.

The DI took a tile off the shower floor and found a tunnel. He used a piece of pipe he found there to smash the glass.

The floor of the shower stayed intact.

Ok, for clarification, Repeat this:

From the time you closed the shower, to the time the glass broke, the shower was a perfect 'closed room'. That is, nothing (except the water I guess) could enter or exit the shower during this time.

I don't give out anything for free! Show me your blue truth!
As you wish. There is one hole in the 'closed shower' that you have deliberately kept open, and I will strike there:
Before the events of the story, the DI placed some very small tools inside the water pipe leading to the house. When he was later trapped inside the shower, his tools came out with the running water, and the DI used it to break the door

Before the events of the story, the DI placed some special gel inside the water pipe leading to the house. When he was later trapped inside the shower, the gel came out with the running water, and then solidified. The DI then used the solid gel to break the glass.

Before the events of the story, the DI placed some very small explosives inside the water pipe leading to the house. When he was later trapped inside the shower, the explosives came out with the running water. The DI then used the explosives to blow up the door.

EDIT: And as a special bonus: The woman drank the water and got whatever the DI had placed in it inside her, killing her.

Nothing was placed in the water.

Can we include things like dentures, glass eyes, metal plates inside the body and other prosthetic stuff on the banned list?

However the DI escaped from the shower, he cut himself and started bleeding. The woman was there for whatever reason and she fainted at the sight of blood and hit her head on something. This killed her but didn't leave a trace somehow.

The woman does not faint at the sight of blood.

The DI took his dentures out of his mouth and cracked the glass with them.
Another variation of the removable body part theory.

The DI doesn't have any prosthetic body parts.

There is room directly beneath the bathroom. Something from this room was forced upwards, through the floor of the shower at an angle to smash the glass. Possible explanations include there was a boiler which exploded and some metal came up OR a bullet was fired upwards accidentally or something like this. The DI was then able to escape and repair the damage. The woman was another thief who happened to be have Phonophobia (fear of loud noises) and had a heart attack and died frm the boiler explosion and/or gun being fired. The DI then stole the ring and ran off (the visit to Cuba is optional).

Alternatively

For whatever reason, one pane of glass was shaped weirdly so that ,on a clear day at a certain date and time, the light from the bathroom window would hit the first glass wall, be refracted and bent through the shower to focus exactly on the second glass wall. The heat caused the second glass wall to smash allowing the DI to escape. However, when the glass exploded, the DI was injured at started bleeding. The woman was another thief who had hemophobia (fear of blood) and suffered heart attack at the sight of his injuries. The Di then took the ring and legged it.

The first is answered above.

The glass is normal glass, there are no special tricks in it.

Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 26, 2013, 07:48:28 pm
When you left,  you had the handle pulled by a long chain by accident,  so that broke the glass. 
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 26, 2013, 08:19:22 pm
The DI used the door handle to break the door
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on November 26, 2013, 08:23:36 pm
You are an odd guy, you have a shower door AND shower curtains.
The DI uses the rings holding the shower curtains to cut a hole in the glass and breaks through it.
OR
The DI took the bar holding the shower curtains off the wall and used it to smash through the glass.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on November 30, 2013, 10:48:04 pm
Or: Something (tools, gel, explosives) came out with the water randomly, and the DI used it to break the door
You only said nothing was put in the water, but what if it just was there?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 01, 2013, 08:23:06 am
Ding dong, is the witch here?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on December 01, 2013, 09:08:00 am
YAY! WE KILLED THE WITCH!
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 01, 2013, 09:20:10 am
YAY! WE KILLED THE WITCH!
Ever since when was the witch even alive?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on December 02, 2013, 04:46:12 am
When you left,  you had the handle pulled by a long chain by accident,  so that broke the glass. 

The DI used the door handle to break the door

It is not possible for the door handle to be removed.

You are an odd guy, you have a shower door AND shower curtains.
The DI uses the rings holding the shower curtains to cut a hole in the glass and breaks through it.
OR
The DI took the bar holding the shower curtains off the wall and used it to smash through the glass.

I like the way you're thinking! But sadly, the shower doesn't have curtains.

Or: Something (tools, gel, explosives) came out with the water randomly, and the DI used it to break the door
You only said nothing was put in the water, but what if it just was there?

There were no objects in the water.

Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: xyan on December 02, 2013, 04:52:15 am
The shower door had a loose screw (or any piece of it), which the DI removed and used to cut through the shower door.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on December 02, 2013, 05:02:01 am
Annele came back! Yay! Now we can have more theories!

The water cam out of the shower head but at such a rate it would take hours to fill the shower. For whatever reason, a high intensity laser beam shone through the window and through one of the glass walls onto the other glass wall from inside. This caused the second glass wall to shatter. The DI cut himself climbing out of the shower and left a trail of blood throughout the house as he escaped with the ring. The woman just happened to be wondering around when she slipped on some blood and fell. This fall caused her to experience a heart attack and die.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on December 04, 2013, 06:04:42 pm
The DI left the shower first through a secret door, got a tool, and then returned to the shower to break the glass dor. He then left through the hole.

The DI took the water hose and broke the wall with it.

The DI bit himself, waited for the blood to coagulate, and then broke the door with the blood chunk. He then killed the woman with it.



Also, a question if you want to answer: The trick the DI used to escape the shower, is this a trick that can be used without preparation in 'normal showers' as well (as long as they are the same design) or is it something specific with this shower/this occasion that makes the trick only be usable there. (like a secret door, things already placed in water, etc.)
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on December 08, 2013, 04:06:38 am
The water cam out of the shower head but at such a rate it would take hours to fill the shower. For whatever reason, a small projectile came flying through the window at an angle. It pierced the first side of glass without smashing it, leaving only a small hole, and the hit the other glass wall from inside and smashed it. The DI decided to repair the first pane so that you didn't notice. The DI cut himself climbing out of the shower and left a trail of blood throughout the house as he escaped with the ring. The woman just happened to be wondering around when she slipped on some blood and fell. This fall caused her to experience a heart attack and die.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on December 08, 2013, 11:39:36 pm
The shower door had a loose screw (or any piece of it), which the DI removed and used to cut through the shower door.

The shower door was smashed, not cut.
A screw would not be enough to smash the door.

Annele came back! Yay! Now we can have more theories!

The water cam out of the shower head but at such a rate it would take hours to fill the shower. For whatever reason, a high intensity laser beam shone through the window and through one of the glass walls onto the other glass wall from inside. This caused the second glass wall to shatter. The DI cut himself climbing out of the shower and left a trail of blood throughout the house as he escaped with the ring. The woman just happened to be wondering around when she slipped on some blood and fell. This fall caused her to experience a heart attack and die.

The water cam out of the shower head but at such a rate it would take hours to fill the shower. For whatever reason, a small projectile came flying through the window at an angle. It pierced the first side of glass without smashing it, leaving only a small hole, and the hit the other glass wall from inside and smashed it. The DI decided to repair the first pane so that you didn't notice. The DI cut himself climbing out of the shower and left a trail of blood throughout the house as he escaped with the ring. The woman just happened to be wondering around when she slipped on some blood and fell. This fall caused her to experience a heart attack and die.

Nothing out of the ordinary came through the window.

The DI left the shower first through a secret door, got a tool, and then returned to the shower to break the glass dor. He then left through the hole.

The DI took the water hose and broke the wall with it.

The DI bit himself, waited for the blood to coagulate, and then broke the door with the blood chunk. He then killed the woman with it.



There are no secret passages in the shower.
I don't know what you mean by water hose. If you mean the showerhead:
The showerhead wasn't moved.
The DI could not have used his blood to smash the shower door.
The woman was not killed by blood in any way.

Also, a question if you want to answer: The trick the DI used to escape the shower, is this a trick that can be used without preparation in 'normal showers' as well (as long as they are the same design) or is it something specific with this shower/this occasion that makes the trick only be usable there. (like a secret door, things already placed in water, etc.)


The DI can smash any shower door with his witch powers.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on December 08, 2013, 11:51:29 pm
Water hose: (http://www.hendersontx.us/images/pages/SC332/Water%20Hose.JPG)
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on December 08, 2013, 11:54:11 pm
Oh, cool. I like your style, using things I haven't mentioned, but
There is no hose.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 08, 2013, 11:59:59 pm
 The DI took a piece of caulk from the edge of the inside of the shower and broke the glass with it.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on December 09, 2013, 07:08:04 pm
Borrowing a bit form xyan:
The shower door had a loose screw (or any piece of it), which the DI removed and used to cut
in one of the glass doors, carving out a small piece of glass that the DI could use. He then used this piece of glass to break the other door.

or

The DI used the shower tap to break the door
(http://www.methven.com/yk-images/f890c701625c5ff1a9f9ba0c1c139943/main/shower-tap-image_main.png)
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on December 09, 2013, 08:48:34 pm
I know what a tap is. People just generally don't have garden hoses in their shower in NZ.

The DI took a piece of caulk from the edge of the inside of the shower and broke the glass with it.

Caulk would not be enough to smash the shower.

Borrowing a bit form xyan:
The shower door had a loose screw (or any piece of it), which the DI removed and used to cut
in one of the glass doors, carving out a small piece of glass that the DI could use. He then used this piece of glass to break the other door.

or

The DI used the shower tap to break the door


The glass door was not smashed by a piece of glass.
You broke the taps off to ensure that the DI could not turn the water off. They were not left in the shower.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on December 09, 2013, 08:55:06 pm
Btw, could we get a clarification about the water draining? The story made it pretty unclear. When you came back, were there no water left on the floor? (which it should be)
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on December 10, 2013, 01:46:54 am
To clear things up:
There was water on the floor, but nowhere near enough as there should have been if the shower was on the whole time and all the water was pouring out of the broken door.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 10, 2013, 02:35:09 am
 The DI used the towels in the room to mop up the water.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on December 10, 2013, 05:32:16 am
the DI used a shampoo bottle (made of a hard plastic) and smashed the shower door with that.
Just a guess, I have another idea in case this doesn't work.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on December 10, 2013, 07:55:50 am
The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on December 12, 2013, 02:49:53 pm
Nothing new yet, eh? Well I have another theory building upon my last:
The shower door had a loose screw (or any piece of it), which the DI removed and used to cut in the glass doors, carving out a hole in it. The DI then stretched his arm through the hole, grabbed something to break the glass with, and broke the glass with it. This was also used to kill the woman
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 12, 2013, 03:08:26 pm
 In a moment of derp, you cut a hole in the glass to get something before you left. The DI used this hole to lever the glass open.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 17, 2013, 03:12:52 am
I'm running out of beam energy! Help!
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on December 17, 2013, 03:49:42 am
Could Annele please state in pink, "No part of the interior of the shower could be broken using only the human body" and "The there were nothing inside the shower that could be removed or used to break the glass". I think it stands that these are both true but it would simplify things.

On another tangent, Due to some unforeseen natural phenomenon, a load of subatomic particles happened to travel through one of the walls of the shower before fusing together to become a large enough particle to break the opposite glass side of the shower. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: EvaRia on December 17, 2013, 07:35:59 am
I guess I'll hop into this again.

Clarifying definitions - I request a repeat in pink.

"Smashing the shower door counts as both opening and unsealing the shower."
To be sure.

"The DI and the woman are two different bodies."
Clarifying difference.

"No method exists through which it is possible for any object to exit the shower while it is sealed."
"No method exists through which it is possible for any object to enter the shower while it is sealed."
Definition of the sealed room. At least, I request a repeat for any human.

Requested definitions - I request an acknowledgement of the following definitions in pink.

"An object that is capable of being used to smash the shower glass" will be an "escape tool".

"The method which I used to seal the shower door" will be the "door seal".

"The method which I used to stop the water from draining" will be the "shower plug".

Requested descriptions - I request knowledge that I as a character should know about the story line. Answer in plaintext or in pink, or refuse outright.

The woman -
Do I have any method of ascertaining her identity? Is she familiar to me or just some stranger? Do I know her from anywhere else?

I request information about the door seal defined above.
I request information about the shower plug defined above.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on December 19, 2013, 02:15:27 pm
Been over a week since last Witch post, BUMP.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dragtom on December 19, 2013, 04:08:19 pm
Huh?
You drag his body to the shower and set up your plan. -snip-You strip the clothes off the DI and shove his body inside
The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.
what happened to his clothes? Or was the DI already naked, and meant 'stripping the clothes off the DI' 'doing nothing'?


The shower was not connected to a full waterreservoir. There was only a little water in it/the hose, causing the shower to last long enough until you leave.
To fuel the idea of him being a witch, DI can do weird things.
In this case, he connected another water reservoir to the shower.

Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on December 19, 2013, 08:28:23 pm
Nothing new yet, eh? Well I have another theory building upon my last:
The shower door had a loose screw (or any piece of it), which the DI removed and used to cut in the glass doors, carving out a hole in it. The DI then stretched his arm through the hole, grabbed something to break the glass with, and broke the glass with it. This was also used to kill the woman

The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.

Nothing to grab outside the shower!

In a moment of derp, you cut a hole in the glass to get something before you left. The DI used this hole to lever the glass open.

The shower was completely sealed when you left it. (Yay for the return of perfect seals)

So no holes!

Could Annele please state in pink, "No part of the interior of the shower could be broken using only the human body" and "The there were nothing inside the shower that could be removed or used to break the glass". I think it stands that these are both true but it would simplify things.

Again, I don't give out things for free! If there's any doubt about these statements, there may be a reason! (Or you may have just not said the right blue truth yet.)

On another tangent, Due to some unforeseen natural phenomenon, a load of subatomic particles happened to travel through one of the walls of the shower before fusing together to become a large enough particle to break the opposite glass side of the shower. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.

No "unforeseen natural phenomenons" assisted the DI in his escape.

I guess I'll hop into this again.

Clarifying definitions - I request a repeat in pink.

"Smashing the shower door counts as both opening and unsealing the shower."
To be sure.

"The DI and the woman are two different bodies."
Clarifying difference.

"No method exists through which it is possible for any object to exit the shower while it is sealed."
"No method exists through which it is possible for any object to enter the shower while it is sealed."
Definition of the sealed room. At least, I request a repeat for any human.

Requested definitions - I request an acknowledgement of the following definitions in pink.

"An object that is capable of being used to smash the shower glass" will be an "escape tool".

"The method which I used to seal the shower door" will be the "door seal".

"The method which I used to stop the water from draining" will be the "shower plug".

Requested descriptions - I request knowledge that I as a character should know about the story line. Answer in plaintext or in pink, or refuse outright.

The woman -
Do I have any method of ascertaining her identity? Is she familiar to me or just some stranger? Do I know her from anywhere else?

I request information about the door seal defined above.
I request information about the shower plug defined above.

I know I said I don't give anything out for free, but for clarity's sake, I'll give you a few.

Smashing the shower door counts as both opening and unsealing the shower. Clarity.
The DI and the woman are two different bodies. Different people, different bodies... there's no word play going on here.
No method exists through which it is possible for any human to exit the shower while it is sealed.
No method exists through which it is possible for any human to enter the shower while it is sealed.


I don't know what you mean about the storyline.

The door seal and the shower plug were not removed when the DI broke the glass.
Huh?
You drag his body to the shower and set up your plan. -snip-You strip the clothes off the DI and shove his body inside
The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.
what happened to his clothes? Or was the DI already naked, and meant 'stripping the clothes off the DI' 'doing nothing'?


The shower was not connected to a full waterreservoir. There was only a little water in it/the hose, causing the shower to last long enough until you leave.
To fuel the idea of him being a witch, DI can do weird things.
In this case, he connected another water reservoir to the shower.



Irrelevant, but You dumped the clothes outside the bathroom.

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There is no hose.

The shower was on the whole time from when you left to when you came back.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: EvaRia on December 19, 2013, 09:25:09 pm
No matter, for now I will use this definition.

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DI Burroughs did not remove your plugging. (Plugging being the stuff you used to block up the shower.)

Mystery of the Escape:

The plugging is an object such that it is capable of smashing the shower glass without being removed. For example, some sort of pipe that can be swiveled around to hit the glass or a weapon-like object that can fire a projectile at the glass. The DI used the plugging to smash the glass and escape through.

You can counter or accept this blue truth.

As a counter, I request one of the following:

- A description of the plugging that would invalidate this argument.
- Acknowledgement of my escape tool definition in pink and repeated in pink: "The plugging cannot be used as an escape tool."

Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 19, 2013, 11:11:08 pm
In a moment of derp, you cut a hole in the glass to get something before you left let a monkey in that cut a hole in the glass. The DI used this hole to lever the glass open.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on December 19, 2013, 11:34:56 pm
The water came out much slower after you had left and suddenly came back on quickly when you returned. The DI used his body to break some part of the interior of the shower. He then used part of the broken-off interior to break the glass. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.

The water came out much slower after you had left and suddenly came back on quickly when you returned. There was something in the shower that the DI could have removed or used to break the glass. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 20, 2013, 12:08:50 am
The DI drilled tiny holes in the floor that allowed water to drain out. Thus, you see no water accumulating.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on December 20, 2013, 01:04:31 am
No matter, for now I will use this definition.

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DI Burroughs did not remove your plugging. (Plugging being the stuff you used to block up the shower.)

Mystery of the Escape:

The plugging is an object such that it is capable of smashing the shower glass without being removed. For example, some sort of pipe that can be swiveled around to hit the glass or a weapon-like object that can fire a projectile at the glass. The DI used the plugging to smash the glass and escape through.

You can counter or accept this blue truth.

As a counter, I request one of the following:

- A description of the plugging that would invalidate this argument.
- Acknowledgement of my escape tool definition in pink and repeated in pink: "The plugging cannot be used as an escape tool."



The plugging cannot be used as an escape tool.

In a moment of derp, you cut a hole in the glass to get something before you left let a monkey in that cut a hole in the glass. The DI used this hole to lever the glass open.

The only people/animals involved are in the original story.

The water came out much slower after you had left and suddenly came back on quickly when you returned. The DI used his body to break some part of the interior of the shower. He then used part of the broken-off interior to break the glass. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.

The water came out much slower after you had left and suddenly came back on quickly when you returned. There was something in the shower that the DI could have removed or used to break the glass. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.


The water pressure remained constant.
I see your blue truth! Here you go: No part of the shower could be broken using only the human body.
The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.

The DI drilled tiny holes in the floor that allowed water to drain out. Thus, you see no water accumulating.

The shower and bathroom floors stayed intact.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on December 20, 2013, 01:33:26 am
new theory. the client.

the client came to your house to collect the ring from you when he saw a woman handling it. he killed her and went to the bathroom where he found a naked guy in the shower. he started banging on it as he didnt recognise the DI to help the DI wake up. he then helped the DI smash the glass somehow and they escaped together where the client was brought to justice for crimes against killing the woman.

not blue as it isnt finished. others can work on it if they wish.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: EvaRia on December 20, 2013, 07:04:28 pm
The plugging cannot be used as an escape tool.
It's still possible that the plugging can smash the glass without being an escape tool.

Confirm the definition in pink!

"An escape tool is an object that can be used to smash the shower glass. The glass can only be smashed through the use of an escape tool."

Or magic, as you would say.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on December 20, 2013, 07:33:57 pm
Nothing new yet, eh? Well I have another theory building upon my last:
The shower door had a loose screw (or any piece of it), which the DI removed and used to cut in the glass doors, carving out a hole in it. The DI then stretched his arm through the hole, grabbed something to break the glass with, and broke the glass with it. This was also used to kill the woman

The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.
The DI took whatever you had used as door seal and smashed the door with it
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 20, 2013, 08:19:13 pm
 The client came to get the ring while you were gone, and out of boredom, started to score the glass with the ring. By accident, she cut a small hole in the glass and dropped the ring in the shower. The DI took the ring and broke the glass with it. An unrelated woman was shocked by the sound of broken glass and had a heart attack. This woman was the one you saw dead.

You didn't realize it, but the shower was mistakenly set at a drip. The DI took the taps you broke off, turned the water to low flow, and returned the taps you used to maintain the rumor about him being a witch.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 21, 2013, 11:57:02 pm
This is a bore...
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 22, 2013, 03:21:04 am
 The DI mopped up the water with the towels in the room, removing the water that had accumulated.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on December 25, 2013, 02:07:39 am
The plugging cannot be used as an escape tool.
It's still possible that the plugging can smash the glass without being an escape tool.

Confirm the definition in pink!

"An escape tool is an object that can be used to smash the shower glass. The glass can only be smashed through the use of an escape tool."

Or magic, as you would say.

Nothing new yet, eh? Well I have another theory building upon my last:
The shower door had a loose screw (or any piece of it), which the DI removed and used to cut in the glass doors, carving out a hole in it. The DI then stretched his arm through the hole, grabbed something to break the glass with, and broke the glass with it. This was also used to kill the woman

The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.
The DI took whatever you had used as door seal and smashed the door with it

An escape tool is an object that can be used to smash the shower glass. The glass can only be smashed through the use of an escape tool.

Yes, or magic.

The client came to get the ring while you were gone, and out of boredom, started to score the glass with the ring. By accident, she cut a small hole in the glass and dropped the ring in the shower. The DI took the ring and broke the glass with it. An unrelated woman was shocked by the sound of broken glass and had a heart attack. This woman was the one you saw dead.

You didn't realize it, but the shower was mistakenly set at a drip. The DI took the taps you broke off, turned the water to low flow, and returned the taps you used to maintain the rumour about him being a witch.

The client never enters the house.
The water pressure remained constant.
The taps were never replaced.

The DI mopped up the water with the towels in the room, removing the water that had accumulated.

The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.

So no towels! To be specific:
The water was not mopped up.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: EvaRia on December 25, 2013, 10:15:19 pm
Thank you for providing me with a weapon to hold.

Now, we duel!

Your definition of an empty shower obviously implies a number of possible exceptions, such as the air or shower head/plugging etc.
Thus it is possible that an escape tool that did not violate your definition of "empty" existed within the shower at the moment immediately after I sealed it.
The DI used this escape tool to smash the glass and escape the shower.


Repeat it in pink!

"At the moment immediately after you sealed the shower, no escape tool existed within the shower!"

Or alternately, I request a limiting definition of possible escape tools.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on December 25, 2013, 10:22:37 pm
I may have missed something, but I do not see how that denied my "using the door seal to break the door"-theory.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 26, 2013, 12:54:07 am
You mistakenly set the shower to a drip. The DI took a wrench from another room and turned the water to low flow before going for good.

Alternatively, the DI took his escape tool and used it to lever the plugging up- not to remove it, but to let the water drain before escaping from the shower.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 26, 2013, 01:09:01 am

There was a mine buried under the house. The DI set the mine off, and it broke the glass.
There were two layers of tiles on one of the walls. The DI took the outside layer of tiles from the wall and used it to break the glass.



It's an abandoned house. What did you expect?
Repeat in pink: The DI had the escape tool in his hands when he broke the glass.
And also I'd like a statement about the architecture of the house.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 26, 2013, 09:56:43 pm
... where's the witch?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 27, 2013, 03:45:08 am
Beam energy at 5%! Help!
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 28, 2013, 08:33:18 pm
Is Annele still here?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on December 28, 2013, 08:50:51 pm
Apparently she logs in daily but...

The water came out but much slower than you had intended. Upon leaving the building, you somehow managed to accidentally shoot or smash the glass door without noticing. The DI climbed out, found a replacement door somewhere and then replaced the smashed door from the inside, taking some kind of escape tool with him. He then used the escape tool to break the glass. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 28, 2013, 09:02:08 pm
State in pink: "Your memory of the events relating to the DI's escape is exactly as you observed them. "
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on January 01, 2014, 03:35:31 pm
It's been a week, so BUMP.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on January 03, 2014, 11:08:57 pm
BEEP
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on January 06, 2014, 02:17:33 am
*Prepares to celebrate victory*
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on January 08, 2014, 11:37:38 am
Bump for two weeks since last update. Seriously.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on January 12, 2014, 08:18:58 pm
I don't want to hijack the thread but:

As I have mentioned before I have my own Witch's Game planned and was going to hopefully start it when this was over. Since we don't really seem to get any updates here, I thought about starting it anyway (this thread still stays of course). Thoughts about this?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on January 14, 2014, 08:33:19 am
Sorry for disappearing. I'm a witch after all My parents decided to extremely limit my internet usage while my cousins were staying. (Stupid family time :P) We're going away ourselves for 6 days starting tomorrow, so I'll answer every blue truth now.


Thank you for providing me with a weapon to hold.

Now, we duel!

Your definition of an empty shower obviously implies a number of possible exceptions, such as the air or shower head/plugging etc.
Thus it is possible that an escape tool that did not violate your definition of "empty" existed within the shower at the moment immediately after I sealed it.
The DI used this escape tool to smash the glass and escape the shower.


Repeat it in pink!

"At the moment immediately after you sealed the shower, no escape tool existed within the shower!"

Or alternately, I request a limiting definition of possible escape tools.

Blue truth is incomplete.

The DI did not escape using anything you did to the room, meaning that if he used an object to smash the glass, that object was not touched by you.


You mistakenly set the shower to a drip. The DI took a wrench from another room and turned the water to low flow before going for good.

Alternatively, the DI took his escape tool and used it to lever the plugging up- not to remove it, but to let the water drain before escaping from the shower.

The plugging was never removed or partially removed. It stayed fully sealed.


There was a mine buried under the house. The DI set the mine off, and it broke the glass.
There were two layers of tiles on one of the walls. The DI took the outside layer of tiles from the wall and used it to break the glass.



It's an abandoned house. What did you expect?
Repeat in pink: The DI had the escape tool in his hands when he broke the glass.
And also I'd like a statement about the architecture of the house.

There were no mines or other unusual objects.

I love the tile idea - you guys are getting good! Sadly, The DI didn't use the wall to break the glass.

Apparently she logs in daily but...

The water came out but much slower than you had intended. Upon leaving the building, you somehow managed to accidentally shoot or smash the glass door without noticing. The DI climbed out, found a replacement door somewhere and then replaced the smashed door from the inside, taking some kind of escape tool with him. He then used the escape tool to break the glass. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.


The DI broke the glass.
The DI had the escape tool in his hands when he broke the glass.

Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on January 14, 2014, 08:38:55 am
Do you want help? I probably wouldn't be the best to ask due to Internet limits as well but a lot of others would
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on January 14, 2014, 10:19:47 pm
It is by any means possible that the shower could become unlocked and opened not by the DI and an escape tool enter the shower before the doors close and lock again?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on January 15, 2014, 06:33:36 am
You mistakenly set the shower to a drip. The DI took a wrench from another room and turned the water to low flow before going for good.

State in pink: "Your memory of the events relating to the DI's escape is exactly as you observed them. "
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Jacker77 on January 17, 2014, 09:33:24 pm
I say:
  There was a metallic bucket in  the bathroom when DI woke up. All he did was fill it with water, throw it at the glass and made a crack. Thanks to the crack, the glass could be broken by his human force. That explains how he got out. His body was dripping wet. That's how he got little water on the floor but I assume he couldn't have that much water on him. He was in the room searching for clothes when he heard footsteps approaching the door. He hid. The lady rushed in. Apparently, she had been nearby and had heard the glass shattering. She went into the bathroom to take a look. DI thought that she might have eventually concluded that there was someone around so he attacked her from behind and strangled her. He pulled her from the wet bathroom to the room where he left her. Her clothes had gotten wet in the bathroom explaining the wet floor. DI thought that she might not have come alone so he quickly searched the room, found the ring, took it and left.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on January 22, 2014, 08:24:56 pm
That color is just painful to look at, use dodgerblue instead. Also, that breaks several pink truths already posted.
I won't quote them, but we know already that the woman didn't enter the bathroom, that it was never possible for the DI to break the glass with his bare hands, the bathroom was empty.

The DI used something in the room (a loose screw, part ff the plugging..) and broke a wall, reached out through it, got something, and used it to break the glass
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on January 25, 2014, 07:21:18 pm
Please state in Pink, "The two glass doors that were on the shower when you returned are the same two which were on the shower when you left. They were in no way replaced."
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on January 26, 2014, 01:03:38 pm
Also, will probably not get anything for this: Were the other glass door broken or damaged in any way?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on January 31, 2014, 10:16:59 am
It is by any means possible that the shower could become unlocked and opened not by the DI and an escape tool enter the shower before the doors close and lock again?

No.

The seal was only broken/unsealed when the DI smashed the glass.

You mistakenly set the shower to a drip. The DI took a wrench from another room and turned the water to low flow before going for good.

State in pink: "Your memory of the events relating to the DI's escape is exactly as you observed them. "

First has been answered already.
Your memory of the events relating to the DI's escape is exactly as you observed them.


The DI used something in the room (a loose screw, part ff the plugging..) and broke a wall, reached out through it, got something, and used it to break the glass


No more than one object was used to break anything.

Please state in Pink, "The two glass doors that were on the shower when you returned are the same two which were on the shower when you left. They were in no way replaced."

The two glass walls that were on the shower when you returned are the same two which were on the shower when you left. They were in no way replaced.

Also, will probably not get anything for this: Were the other glass door broken or damaged in any way?

Only one wall was smashed. The other was not damaged.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on January 31, 2014, 10:48:04 pm
I notice you switched 'door' and 'wall' in the last two sentences, can you please state them again but with 'door'?

Or, a question: Is there actually two glass doors AND two glass walls? Making all of it glass?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on February 01, 2014, 01:26:22 am
There is one glass door and one glass wall. Because the door cannot be used as such after you plug it, they have both been called glass walls/sides for the purpose of this.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on February 01, 2014, 05:22:19 pm
For the purpose of this game, is it safe to then say that all pink truths mentioning glass sides, glass doors, glass walls, shower glass and shower doors are refering to the same thing? And there exactly two of these glass doors, the other two walls being "normal walls" so to speak?
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eljoemo on February 07, 2014, 04:26:44 am
The water came out but much slower than you had intended. The DI just happened to be able regurgitate certain objects which he had previously ingested. And it had just so happened that he earlier that day swallowed an escape tool. He was able to regurgitate said escape tool. Or he could just have vomited. He then used the escape tool to break the glass. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on February 12, 2014, 11:09:54 pm
Bump
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on February 13, 2014, 04:17:42 am
Sorry; thought I'd answered this.

The water came out but much slower than you had intended. The DI just happened to be able regurgitate certain objects which he had previously ingested. And it had just so happened that he earlier that day swallowed an escape tool. He was able to regurgitate said escape tool. Or he could just have vomited. He then used the escape tool to break the glass. The DI left a puddle in the ring room, which the woman slipped on, had a heart attack then landed on the puddle so her clothes could soak it up.

The escape tool did not come from the DI's body in any way (including being inside it.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Fippe94 on February 16, 2014, 11:48:03 pm
There was a loose pipe in the shower, the DI used it to break the glass.

Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Kuroaitou on July 05, 2014, 01:01:31 am
Moderator Comment NOTICE: If this game is not continued within 2 weeks from now, I will have to lock and shut down this topic (and possibly ask the host of this game to either 'sacrifice' the title or somehow tell the answer of the game to someone else to continue hosting).

Topic Re-unocked! Awaiting full story answer from Annele.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 31, 2014, 07:09:59 pm
...okay...
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Submachine on December 31, 2014, 07:37:25 pm
I need to solve Kuro's mystery first.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Annele on January 01, 2015, 09:02:11 am
NOTE: I lost the original answer to this, so the following is what I remember, and possibly not exactly what was originally planned. If something doesn't make sense, let me know and it may jog my memory.


The DI was working with the strange woman you found. (Her name is Joan.) He figured out where you were and went there straight away. Joan figured it out soon after, and went to your abandoned house as soon as she could. However, by that time you'd already trapped the DI and went on your merry way.
When the DI woke up and realised what was happening, he looked around to see if he could get out. The glass wouldn't budge, and neither would the walls. The shower was empty, but there was a rack screwed into the wall. The DI managed to unscrew it, though the water was getting dangerously high at this point. He used the sharp end of the screw to scrape away the grouting between the shower and the wall. Because the house was old, he managed to get rid of enough of it for the water to drain out of the shower and into the room next to it. Being free to breathe again, he whacked the rack against one of the glass walls until it smashed.
Joan came into the house the same way the DI did. She heard the whacking noise and hurried to find the DI, thinking maybe that you were bashing him to death (or the other way around). In her hurry, she didn't notice the water on the ground. She slipped and fell backwards, cracking her head on the wet, but incredibly hard, ground.
Once the DI had managed to smash the glass wall, he put the rack back in the wall and went to search the house for something to clothe himself with. Handily, you'd left his clothes outside the bathroom, which allowed him to get dressed and dry himself enough to look around the house without dripping on everything. This was how he found Joan, lying dead. Saddened, the DI tried to move her, but gave up in the next room. This was the room you'd left the ring in. He took the ring and, because you'd taken his phone and Joan's was wrecked by the water, ran as fast as he could to the next town.
When you came back to the house, you didn't notice the wound on the back of Joan's head because she was lying on her back and all the blood had been washed away by the water on the floor where she died (and you were panicking).
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: eaglgenes101 on January 01, 2015, 08:51:34 pm
Um...
The shower was empty.

The bathroom was empty apart from the seals you used and the DI  when you first left it.

A detachable rack on the wall meant the shower was NOT empty.
Title: Re: The Witch's Game 2
Post by: Kuroaitou on January 09, 2015, 11:59:30 pm
Thank you Annele for resolving the story of the Witch's Game 2. ^^;

I'll close and relock this topic soon unless someone has any objections to how the story played out.
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