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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1217993#msg1217993
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2015, 10:42:11 pm »
Spoiler for 'Lore':
1011686: I MUST AMASS MOAR POW- *explodes*

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ROUND 2

Quanta has been recalculated.



1011686, Linkcat, have both died via Explosion. (ouchie)

Protip: You should try to account for future actions as much as you can.
If an enemy player depletes your quanta in a pool that you plan on using for a future action,
you won't be able to use it!


Link to the quanta spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BSA_VtIx86hafpUxiVCG9RTM7MMC8_ABjeLEhs_x27Q/edit#gid=0
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218011#msg1218011
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2015, 02:07:15 am »
NOBODY use basic actions! Or else Flayne's going to kill us all! Last round there were 18 non-basic actions out of 80.

Fire
15 :fire: Detonate - For every basic action used during this round, you gain one 'bomb'. At the end of the round, all other players besides you will lose 1 quanta per 'bomb' accumulated, and will specifically target elemental pools with the highest quanta.



That means that there were
62 basic actions
used last round. That is more than enough to one shot EVERY person left!

Edit:Unless it only targets the highest pool.
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218013#msg1218013
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2015, 02:11:17 am »
NOBODY use basic actions! Or else Flayne's going to kill us all! Last round there were 18 non-basic actions out of 80.

Fire
15 :fire: Detonate - For every basic action used during this round, you gain one 'bomb'. At the end of the round, all other players besides you will lose 1 quanta per 'bomb' accumulated, and will specifically target elemental pools with the highest quanta.



That means that there were
62 basic actions
used last round. That is more than enough to one shot EVERY person left!

Given that most of us have 2 quanta on each element, what do we do? xD
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218014#msg1218014
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2015, 02:28:07 am »
If Ginyu haunts himself and then conjures, he has a small chance of surviving? The only other thing I can think of at the moment is if we all gang up to kill flayne, he activates his fire ultimate, and everybody dies on the last turn of the 2nd round except for flayne, who dies in one of the turns before the last turn. So it would be a 18 way tie, with Ginyu dying last. If we all coordinate. xD
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218015#msg1218015
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2015, 02:29:15 am »
Targeting the strongest player first? Excellent choice.

I had the option of playing around Vacuum or Haunt. I chose Vacuum because it worked out better for me. Looks like Haunt was more popular.
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218016#msg1218016
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2015, 02:31:02 am »
Thing is, there's no way to avoid him killing us all unless he chooses not to do it; order of precedence means he can activate it no matter what we do. We can still kill him before the round is over, but that's it. No matter what we do, if he activates it we're dead.
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218017#msg1218017
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2015, 02:52:32 am »
Does wait count as a basic action for the purpose of detonate?
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218018#msg1218018
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2015, 03:12:24 am »
Does wait count as a basic action for the purpose of detonate?

Yes. Otherwise, the changes that I've made today (in regards to how basic actions were processed) would not be correct, and many players would not have a lot of the quanta they would have now.

More questions incoming!

1. How does leech work if it targets a player that cant lose quanta? (levitation, resurrection etc)
2a. Does adapting against aether let you bypass refect?
2b. Does hide allow you to bypass reflect?
3. What happens if two or more players attempt to take control of the same player? (through enslave and foresee)
4. How does smoke work if it targets a player who was attempting, say, calcify, but was targeted with pacify?
5. What happens if you remember a target player and yourself, but the target uses reflect?
6. Can you remember yourself and your clone?

1. Leech will not be able to drain.
2. Adapting bypasses Reflect, Hide does not.
3. The player using Enslave will get higher priority, I believe, based on precedence.
4. Smoke will affect Calcify, as Calcify was the highest priority action used.
5. Then Remember basically fails, as you cannot target yourself twice. You still spend quanta however during this.
6. Yes.

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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218021#msg1218021
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2015, 04:48:36 am »
Um...
I can't open the spreadsheet for some reason, but if i exploded, that means I generated at least 43 quanta from attract. Just how many people used conjure first turn?
Also, theres a really easy way to not die from detonate, if i understand the rules correctly.
Just use bury as your last action, and dont pick your highest quanta pool. It says it lasts over the end of the round if nessecary, so it would be active when detonate occurs and would negate all quanta loss.
Never mind, as it turns out, there's no easy way to evade detonate. But if you mage to kill Flayne before the bombs go off, they wont go off.
Of course, now that ive said this, Flayne might attempt to mindgame you all and not use detonate.

I really did not expect that many people (i assume) to use conjure. I mean, my very first plan involved no conjures at all, and there certainly enough other actions that generate quanta.
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218024#msg1218024
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2015, 06:28:37 am »
You started at 25 quanta. Attract put you at 22. 10 people used Conjure as their first action, so you jumped up to 52 and immediately exploded.
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218028#msg1218028
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2015, 06:55:03 am »
Simple solution: Kill Flayne.
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Re: Quantafied - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60721.msg1218036#msg1218036
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2015, 10:09:30 am »
That is assuming that we are not all misreading detonate and it actually stacks per amount of basic actions the user used. Which would probably make more sense.

 

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