Elements RPG! Part 3

[Purity_Riot]

I don't think he'll need to be saved. I think it could be dealt with between the angels. I think in the end, Xanriel can't really be blamed, and that Catyrael won't let anything bad happen to him.

As for their relationship, why not both? Old friends, but Catyrael has always been better at angel duties, and has always been Xanriel's superior, so while they get along like old friends, there is still the knowledge that Catyrael is the indisputable superior. Like one of those situations where you expect your friend to go easy on you because your friends, but you respect them more because they don't give special consideration to anyone.

Also, if Jonathan wants to fight the angels of heaven over this dispute, then I'm pretty sure Xanriel would personally step in as a Proxy on heaven's behalf.

Xanriel started off as being affiliated with Life, then became stronger in the light aspect. I think that we should split the elements into three groups. Three heavenly, Three Hell, Three Middle.

I'd say

     

for the heavenly council

 

for the Middle council, and

 

for the Hell

Each has their own designs for the world, and while they are not enemies, and none of them are evil, they are also not always allies, and generally don't agree.

So in this case, even though Death and Darkness are part of the same council, death and darkness are clearly in disagreement with eachother, in which the Light aspect of heaven has decided to step in and try to keep the middle ground safe.

I think we're getting hung up on heaven and hell as opposites. This isn't real life, we can make them whatever we want people.

[Bloodshadow]

So you're saying that if Jonathan was to fight the Angels, then Xanriel would step in and fight Jonathan? But surely Emparael would want to cut Jonathan to pieces the moment he sees him, given his attitude toward Darkness. Which will invariably result in a fight. Don't make this difficult for me, Purity, because those Angels made by Helios deserve to be taught a lesson.

[Purity_Riot]

Ah but you see, i disagree entirely. I find them entirely justified, and am entirely sure that Xanriel would expect Jonathan to back down.

[Helios]

The thing is, Heaven is associated with Light. Light is only one of the 12 elements, thus it has no rights to "judge" beings affiliated with the other elements. If this is only the view of your Angels and not yourself, then I, as Jonathan Haemos Shade, and as Bloodshadow the Master of Darkness, will personally make sure that they understand their place in the power echelon. Perhaps Jonathan could have an epic battle with your most xenophobic Angels (excluding Catyrael, of course, since we deliberately avoid direct conflict between players), in which he reveals his second dragon form (first dragon form is 50% full Master power, second is 62.5%); it seems to me that somebody needs to teach those Angels a lesson.
Oh, yes! Xanriel could be captured by Heaven to be judged, and all of us can go there to rescue him. All right then, this can be another arc in our storyline.

However, I still feel very uneasy about Light and Darkness being the only elements with their respective higher realms. Elemental equality should be valued above all things, since it is essential in Elements the Game itself.

Double post.

Bloodshadow, you are quite welcome to duel with Emparael when he descends to the Lower World when he apprehends Xanriel and to prove the wrongness of such a xenophobic attitude and also perhaps the notion of Heaven's continued "major interventions" having truly become something of the past now that its power is but a shadow of its fomer glorious self.

However, I must object to your second point on the grounds of "fighting one, if not more Greater Archangels in Heaven being an extremely bad idea, even for an Elemental Master. It would be much wiser to allow the Council to reach its verdict, as opposed to declaring outright war on the spiritual realm which is as eternal as many gods. Further, once you factor and take into account, their inherent power, the decisive "home turf" advantage and their respective eternities of knowledge and experience, I would not be inclined to believe that it is a war you can ultimately win, even as an Elemental Master.

Finally, I would even propose that having been conferred something ressembling divine powers, gifts and the accompanying responsibilities (recall the Mantle, to which I made reference during the Council discussion? It indicates their duty to guard and to act in the best interest of those from the Lower World), they do hold the right, to a certain extent, to judge the Lower World, but only to a limited degree. Excessive interference is uncalled for, which is why, for instance, I would perceive Emparael to be in the moral wrong when he storms earth with an Army unit to "arrest" Xanriel.

I think Catyrael and Xanriel should be "old friends". We need to have something like the good cop and bad cop when Xanriel was judged.

I request a fight against Emparael, if he is the most xenophobic of all your Angels. Also, what do you think about the party going to Heaven to rescue Xanriel? During that arc, Sirenes could also have her half-Angelic powers awakened.

Regarding your newest post, Blood, I actually do favour the "old friends" concept myself, for its potential. As I stated, your request for a fight against Emparael is gladly granted, on the condition that it is on earth. While I would be fine with the party visiting Heaven and acting as non-violent participants in the trial, as stated above, I do not believe you could march in their pugnaciously.

Concerning Sirenes, I am sure the wiser among the Greater Archangels would be of invaluable assistance in awakening her half-Angelic powers; she hardly needs to fight them.

I don't think he'll need to be saved. I think it could be dealt with between the angels. I think in the end, Xanriel can't really be blamed, and that Catyrael won't let anything bad happen to him.

As for their relationship, why not both? Old friends, but Catyrael has always been better at angel duties, and has always been Xanriel's superior, so while they get along like old friends, there is still the knowledge that Catyrael is the indisputable superior. Like one of those situations where you expect your friend to go easy on you because your friends, but you respect them more because they don't give special consideration to anyone.

Also, if Jonathan wants to fight the angels of heaven over this dispute, then I'm pretty sure Xanriel would personally step in as a Proxy on heaven's behalf.

Xanriel started off as being affiliated with Life, then became stronger in the light aspect. I think that we should split the elements into three groups. Three heavenly, Three Hell, Three Middle.

I'd say

     

for the heavenly council

 

for the Middle council, and

 

for the Hell

Each has their own designs for the world, and while they are not enemies, and none of them are evil, they are also not always allies, and generally don't agree.

So in this case, even though Death and Darkness are part of the same council, death and darkness are clearly in disagreement with eachother, in which the Light aspect of heaven has decided to step in and try to keep the middle ground safe.

I think we're getting hung up on heaven and hell as opposites. This isn't real life, we can make them whatever we want people.

In summary, I concur with essentially everything stated above.

Regarding the lack of a need to actually "save" Xanriel, I am in complete agreement. After all, he is among his own kin and people, and as Archangel of Justice, Catyrael will not permit Xanriel to suffer any ill fate.

Concerning the Catyrael-Xanriel relationship, I like your idea about incorporating both elements. Unofficially, they are close friends, but there is also an official hierarchy to be observed and respected.

Finally, of all the proposed ideas which seek to firmly establish Elemental equilibrium, I am most partial towards this one as now, all 12 Elements have a seat on a council, while Light's heavenly status is preserved.

Note: My responses are relevant only to the post in question; as soon as I had finished with the first, a second following post was up, and this repeated itself for the third.

The content of those responses was appropriate for the time when the original post was put up and have not been revised yet; if it contradicts the present situation, assume the latter to be the truth.

[Bloodshadow]

However, I must object to your second point on the grounds of fighting one, if not more Greater Archangels in Heaven being an extremely bad idea, even for an Elemental Master. It would be much wiser to allow the Council to reach its verdict, as opposed to declaring outright war on the spiritual realm which is as eternal as many gods. Further, once you factor and take into account, their inherent power, the decisive "home turf" advantage and their respective eternities of knowledge and experience, I would not be inclined to believe that it is a war you can ultimately win, even as an Elemental Master.

While fighting multiple Greater Archangels might be a bad idea, I request to fight Emparael in his full power. That fight will not be Emparael versus Jonathan, but Emparael versus Bloodshadow, the previous Master of Darkness who holds much greater knowledge and experience than any of the Greater Archangels. I want to do this simply because Bloodshadow feels the need that the Angels needed to be reminded of what power the Elemental Masters hold. At 62.5% full power, I have no doubt that Bloodshadow cannot triumph against multiple Greater Archangels; however, be assured that at 100%, Jonathan/Bloodshadow will have the power to annihilate multiple Greater Archangels with little effort. But relax, he won't attain that godlike state of power until the end.

But still, I am looking for a situation at which Jonathan "dies", and fully reawakens as the Master of Darkness. Jonathan VS many Greater Archangels seems like an excellent opportunity. But if this is simply too improbable, then I'll just find something else.

Hmm... Let me see...

Human form (1%) → demonic form (5%) → augmented demonic form with mask (12.5%) → greater demonic form with helm (25%) → humanoid dragon form (37.5%) → serpentine dragon form (50%) → European dragon form (62.5%) → Devilord Bloodshadow (75% ~ 90%) → God of Darkness (100%)

[Purity_Riot]

I agree that even Bloodshadow couldn't storm into Heaven. Like Helios said, Xanriel would be amongst his kin, he would have to fight on the side of Heaven, as respect to his people, his father, and his home.

If Sirenes is cool with it, I really like the idea of a Greater Archangel helping her out, maybe even tutoring her a little bit?

As per the fight on earth, I suppose I can Xanriel not standing in, he'd probably even find it touching, though in the end he'd chose to go with the 'army' anyway.

Looking at the point about heaven's 'right' to stand in, I agree, it would be more an antiquated view of their role, which clearly needs to be updated, but not in a violent way.



As for Blood's post, again I think you're putting way to much stake into the power of your character, and into the drive of this story. We're not gods, i doubt even an FG could handle a score of Greater Archangels, so I doubt a Master could do it 'with ease'. Finally, again, assuming each of the Master's are of equal strength, then you would lose, because it would be you versus all of heaven, and Xanriel.

Finally, the original Masters of the Elements would not have greater knowledge or experience then the Greater Archangels, because the Higher Power creatures, like them, and I imagine the Reapers as well, and all the other members of the great councils, have been around since the dawn of time, they would likely have been Zanzarino's first attempt at governing the 12 elements before he created the Masters.

[Helios]

However, I must object to your second point on the grounds of fighting one, if not more Greater Archangels in Heaven being an extremely bad idea, even for an Elemental Master. It would be much wiser to allow the Council to reach its verdict, as opposed to declaring outright war on the spiritual realm which is as eternal as many gods. Further, once you factor and take into account, their inherent power, the decisive "home turf" advantage and their respective eternities of knowledge and experience, I would not be inclined to believe that it is a war you can ultimately win, even as an Elemental Master.

While fighting multiple Greater Archangels might be a bad idea, I request to fight Emparael in his full power. That fight will not be Emparael versus Jonathan, but Emparael versus Bloodshadow, the previous Master of Darkness who holds much greater knowledge and experience than any of the Greater Archangels. I want to do this simply because Bloodshadow feels the need that the Angels needed to be reminded of what power the Elemental Masters hold. At 62.5% full power, I have no doubt that Bloodshadow cannot triumph against multiple Greater Archangels; however, be assured that at 100%, Jonathan/Bloodshadow will have the power to annihilate multiple Greater Archangels with little effort. But relax, he won't attain that godlike state of power until the end.

But still, I am looking for a situation at which Jonathan "dies", and fully reawakens as the Master of Darkness. Jonathan VS many Greater Archangels seems like an excellent opportunity. But if this is simply too improbable, then I'll just find something else.

Actually, you will find that most of the incumbent Council members (including Catyrael) have been in that very position through more than one Elemental Master transition. If anything, I would definitely not underestimate the knowledge they hold. Finally, I am going to stress that the discriminating factor is the setting and location; while you may duel Emparael on earth, you will face considerably greater difficulties if the setting were changed to Heaven as he would not have had to traverse the boundary between the Worlds, substantially weakening himself; this is not to mention the notion of dueling multiple members of the Council in their spiritual home

In any case, since Xanriel would not permit Jonathan to attempt to cause harm to his own people anyway, I would suggest that you seek something more realistic for Jonathan's coming-of-Masterhood challenge.

[Bloodshadow]

If our current lore with the Void is correct, then the Masters must be the most powerful beings in the world other than Zanzarino and the Void itself. Otherwise, the Higher Beings could have simply ganged up on the Void, and defeated it. Our original history was that only the Masters could seal away that Void, thus proving their supreme powers. In my opinion the Masters are gods; they're not only gods, but the earliest and most powerful of the gods other than Zanzarino.

I never said Bloodshadow intended on waging war against Heaven itself. I just said he could easily wipe out about ten Greater Archangels at his 100% power.

[Purity_Riot]

And I'm just saying that I disagree with that. I still agree that only the masters could have done it, but we did it by sacrificing our power, not by fighting it, I don't think that it's a gauge of our power, but of the power of the elements.

The point is, that I don't think you could 'easily' defeat that many greater beings.

[Bloodshadow]

Perhaps we have different ideas on what the Masters actually are. In my opinion, the Masters are the elements. Bloodshadow's race is simply Darkness, because he is Darkness. Likewise, Sekhor is Time, Mephisto is Death, Izekiel is Gravity, etc. Before they are Masters they're just normal beings, such as Bloodshadow being an archdemon-demigod from the Abyss; but after becoming a Master, the being gains all the collective knowledge and power accumulated in that one element throughout history, which I would say is a hell lot more power than ten Greater Archangels.

Again, I request to fight Emparael at his full power. Read my paragraph above, and you'll have an idea of the true powers of a Master. I'm not trying to be a control freak, because I am open to suggestions and debate. It's just that I think my definition of the Masters is vital to the part of history when the Void was sealed away.

[Purity_Riot]

It's not vital at all really, they wouldn't need to be that powerful to lock away void, it would just require the proper ritual and sacrifice of life force and power.

If you fight him at 100%, that would be in heaven, and I promise you this one thing, Jonathan would not survive it. Xanriel would be sure of it. You do not attack his people, in his home.

[Bloodshadow]

Power is required to lock away the Void. The proper rituals and sacrifices? They mean nothing if the power is not enough. You know why only the Masters could seal away the Void? It's because only they are powerful enough.