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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120601#msg120601
« Reply #324 on: July 22, 2010, 01:33:35 am »
Haha ddevans saying "you can do it" isn't against the rules :-p

Anyway, from a post Terro made, he made himself sound confident that if we lynched Brion, he'd be an FG, which would make me look less credible. So I think Terro was trying to get us to lynch a different FG to save himself, so I say we go for Brion. It's the best thing we got.

And ya, Essence is epic with his gambling abilities.

And givers, my "idea" was to lynch Terro because I found out he was an FG. Simple as that.

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120606#msg120606
« Reply #325 on: July 22, 2010, 01:38:24 am »
Ach, ye've got me.

Just a few parting notes:

1: I have a feeling the civvys will win this one, as 2 1st round FG kills usually marks the end. However, 2 is still a valid point.

2: 3 people have claimed to be targeted my the Gamblers. One of the two starting Gamblers is dead. Even if Fallen Elfs got involved, there is only one of them, meaning there can only be 2 possible Gamblers left alive. (A new one could be created during round two, but as well as being highly unlikely, that possibility does not matter as all 3 people state that they have gotten their info during R1).

This was a terrible blunder by the civilians, as the FGs now know that one of these 3 is the Seer, quite possibly the most important role in ensuring the FGs defeat.

Anyways, so if Dema is not the Seer like I believe, then it was pure luck that granted him my role.

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120611#msg120611
« Reply #326 on: July 22, 2010, 01:42:15 am »
You're forgetting one thing Terro: I'm the master of manipulation.

Except for the game when I was seered as an FG in the first round, I have never been lynched (unless my memory is faulty lol). I've only died by being targeted by the mafia. In the game that I was lynched, I almost succeeded in having someone else lynched that round instead of me.

So ya, you're only believing what I want you to believe :-)

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120615#msg120615
« Reply #327 on: July 22, 2010, 01:44:22 am »
Oh guys, since I'm the likely next FG target, could the doctor/seer PM me? I realize that I'm not 100% confirmed innocent, but if you trust me enough, then please contact me. I'll make sure you two find each other.

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120662#msg120662
« Reply #328 on: July 22, 2010, 03:02:45 am »
As much as I've stated my vote doesn't really count....I think P_R was on the right track.

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120689#msg120689
« Reply #329 on: July 22, 2010, 03:49:43 am »
W00T!
Looks like we can trust Dema now.
and what was Dema's idea
Yea, my point exactly.  If you'll recall, killing Terroking was MY idea.

You're welcome, society.

So let's take a closer work at the FGs last action.  Our clue this round is who the false gods killed last round.  They killed Purity.  They did not kill Dema, in fact, they did not kill ANY of the people accusing brion of being a false god, even though I think he was.  But they killed Purity.  Purity who accused killz.  Purity who accused Dema.  Purity who must have said something worth killing him for, despite ALL the other ample targets.

There are only two gamblers in game.  One of them talked to Purity, because he was a civilian.  Why would he lie?  None of them talked to Terroking, he was a false god and was clearly lying.  But the gambler couldn't have talked to both Essence and Dema, and whoever else claimed to hear one, which I'm beginning to lose track of.  Now Terro, a FALSE GOD, would have us believe the others are seers, but I disagree.  I think we can figure out which of the remaining FGs are on the prowl.

Purity doubted Dema, in fact he was the only one who did.  Now Purity is dead.  Does this worry anyone but me?!
Here's the play by play of what I think happened.
The FGs tell each other their secondary roles.  All FGs now know that Terro is a witness.
Brion gets accidentally targeted in a two-way tie.
Terro jumps ship to save him.
I point this out, thus correctly accusing Terro and Brion of being FGs.  They are both now doomed.
Dema, realizing their doomed, decides to take advantage of their deaths.  He knows that Terro's witness ability is useless, as Terro can't use it without revealing he's an FG.  As such, Dema claims a gambler informed him of Terro's roles, and informs the group of what they already knew.  That Terro is a false god.
Several other gambler redundancies appear, possibly more FG smoke and mirrors, meaning Dema's revelation is safe.
The group votes out Terro, confirming Dema's mysterious information and making him safe, despite the fact that he only piggybacked on my logic.  Everyone trusts him.  With the exception of Purity, who still doubts him.
The FGs kill Purity.

So now everyone trusts Dema, except for purity who is now DEAD!  And even if everyone doesn't trust Dema, they will when he gets two FGs in a row.  The two FGs that were dead anyway.  (You're welcome).  And  even if I'm wrong he STOLE MY KILL!

So Dema, I ask you this:  Why do you persist in bragging about kills that weren't yours?  Why do you act like you and only you are deserving of trust because Terro died?  And why the HELL is it that there are now FIVE gambler actions in a game where two exist?

I have no doubt that I am dead for accusing you.  I was dead when I nailed Terro and Brion.  The fact remains that I can't kill you without lynching you.  And when you get another correct FG kill it will be too late.  Brion isn't going anywhere, we can kill him next round.  But you?  You're almost in the clear, for killing two men who were dead men walking. 

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120693#msg120693
« Reply #330 on: July 22, 2010, 03:59:08 am »
Dema piggybacked on your logic? All I can find is you being confused(or at least pretending to be) and Dema saying this.

Guys I was just targeted by a gambler. Terro is an FG+witness. If we want to kill any FG's, we have to kill him first or he'll save them. He can't use that ability on himself, fortunately.

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Purity did not only accused Dema, he was the one who got everyone after Brion. You've not only twisted everything that's happened already, I think you've just moved up on the suspicion list. I still say kill Brion this round, but I hope you're going down soon.

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120695#msg120695
« Reply #331 on: July 22, 2010, 04:00:04 am »
Me being confused!?  Hold on, I'll link it.

Woa woa woa WHAT?!  Who the HELL just stole my ability?!   And why in the HELL are three people trying to kill me?  So... if I change my vote, I save myself?  Sorry Purity, RNG picked you.

Changing vote from koruger to...

Well.... wait.  Let's think here.  Purity is claiming that he knows three civilians and two FGs, ugh... I gotta go read the thread again.

Alright, figured it out.  $$$ attacked me for no goddamn reason, and then implosion did so why?!  And Killzdazombies just told me that both he and implosion have the switcheroo ability, meaning one of them now has ghost.  So implosion is attacking me randomly with switch and voting for me?  Suspicious.  Oh well, now one of them has ghost.  So the question is, do I vote for Purity or Brion?  Both numbers and Dema voted for brion because of RNG, which seems suspicious, but purity voted for brion for pretty innocent reasons.  But Terro just finds out "new information" and randomly decides to protect Brion?  Somethings up.  My best bet?  Brion, Terro, and implosion are all FGs.  Terro jumps ship to Purity to save Brion's skin, and implosion tries to take ME down to cover it up and decrease the pressure.  But then again, how the hell did Kills know implosions ability?  Can we trust him?

So here's my plan:

If brion turns out to be an FG, we take out implosion next.  And if he hasn't stolen ghost, then kills probably has it.  So those are kills two and three.

Until then, I'm blindly pointing fingers at people, so if I'm right, the FGs can't kill me.

I hope this works....

Unless of course I'm wrong about Terro and Brion, in which case the FGs could kill me and frame Brion and Terro.  That would make the FGs Dema, numbers, and purity....

Damn it I don't know. 

I guess I kill Brion?  I suck at this =(

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Edited in.  This would be the first anti-Terro accusation, and the ONLY anti-Brion accusation.  Dema used RNG to target him, and only revealed his "gambler" effect after they were both doomed.  He piggybacked on MY logic.

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120697#msg120697
« Reply #332 on: July 22, 2010, 04:03:07 am »
Hm... what Gl1tch is saying may bear some weight - I've been having similar thoughts in the back of my head. I'm not gonna vote yet though, I'm gonna wait a night... I'm sure everything will be crazy in the morning :)

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120704#msg120704
« Reply #333 on: July 22, 2010, 04:14:26 am »
Ok, so I went even further back than my first search and found out P_R first voted for Brion to tie it up and save his own skin, so that point might be useless. Still, Demagog also said Terroking's secondary role. Sure, he could have known that because they were both FG's, but it wouldn't have really been the smartest move. Either way, Demagog's intervention basically saved Brion, which may or may not have been the purpose, but doesn't clear Brion either way. Even if Dema is an FG, I'm pretty sure Brion is, too. Even by your own original logic, Brion was an FG. If you're really telling the truth, why don't you vote for a likely FG this round, and wait until next round to try and lynch Dema?

Anyway, this is my last post for the night, so I'll see what you guys cook up by morning.

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120710#msg120710
« Reply #334 on: July 22, 2010, 04:18:07 am »
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Let's be honest, if I had waited until next round, would you have believed my theory for even a second?  No.  You would have killed me.  Hell, that's what you're going to do now.  Plus I'm about to be lynched for the same reasons purity was.  This is my only window of opportunity/

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Re: Elements Mafia 9 by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9876.msg120718#msg120718
« Reply #335 on: July 22, 2010, 04:32:19 am »
OK, my head hurts now.

Someone give me a good, short reason to vote for someone else and I'll do it.
For now I'll vote against Brion until someone convinces me not to.

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