Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat

[worldwideweb3]

Rob/ MW you’re making a mistake if you kill me. Atleast promise me you’ll vote me as best player this game if I flip town kthnx.

[rob77dp]

Rob/ MW you’re making a mistake if you kill me. Atleast promise me you’ll vote me as best player this game if I flip town kthnx.

if MW shoots you and you're town, then sky makes more sense to be player of the game, no?

[worldwideweb3]

Rob/ MW you’re making a mistake if you kill me. Atleast promise me you’ll vote me as best player this game if I flip town kthnx.

if MW shoots you and you're town, then sky makes more sense to be player of the game, no?

not really because that reflects on your and mws poor reading

[worldwideweb3]

there was nothing putting kae as mafia in yalls eye before the RB because he played like a townie. Its the same with sky. Do you really think if I was mafia with kae and kdz, i would be telling one of them to defend me and the other to buss me? It doesnt make any sense. ill go iso kae and kdz now

[worldwideweb3]

Figure I may as well respond been lurking for an hour or two anyway. (Long story short took some sleeping pills missed EOD and am now trying to squeeze 8 hours of work in 2 lmao)

I townread you oa because you behave how I do. Kinda just coasting by trying to make sense of these rules for the first few phases before hitting your stride and really contributing. Further, tbh I didnt know you killed naii did you reveal that at all since you shot him? Though I'm not sure how much that changes my read of you. I'm still only able to skim since my last post, so I still have pieces to put together. It might seem dumb, but town plays like town, and you are playing this game how i am playing it. Obviously I dont trust you to the extent I do rob and serp, but its enough to at least turn my gaze elsewhere.

Remember kdz defending/townreading Oa so much it seemed like him defending mafia buddy? Its the same thing here. Mafia will ofcourse defend some people here and there - so if theyre lynched they wont seem bad and if mafia gets killed, suspicion will be on the civ they defended.

[worldwideweb3]

I think his play in 73\74 also ended up resulting in a buddy getting whacked too? I would presume scum timpa to evolve a little bit? I don't KNOW he's mafia this game, but feel it a good enough chance to have my vote there for now...

Where are you going vote?

Thats fair I guess, but still I expect the EFFORT, I dont see effort here in this game. Evolved is one thing, but AFK/shitpost scum seems like a step backwards.

W3. I just wanted to see if this conversation could change my mind.
worldwideweb3 (4) - PlayerOa, timpa, skyironsword, killsdazombies
killsdazombies (1) - serprex
timpa (3) - rob77dp, worldwideweb3, MasterNoob

why would I ask my mafia bud to vote me at this crucial stage? esp when I have 2 very much town people on timpa with me, and its easy for mafia to say I trust rob/noob more so ill vote timpa.

[worldwideweb3]

You know rob, Ive been mulling it over a bit, and I disagree with your take on timpa. While I am not saying I townlean timpa, and I agree they need a real solid looking. It seems like this timpa is a lot more willing to sheep.

Lets look here http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-74-by-skyironsword/msg1300718/#msg1300718 a moment where you and timpa interacted. We see intent in these posts, and direct calls to action. He actively defends coffee http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-74-by-skyironsword/msg1300536/#msg1300536 and here as the chips are up he still is ACTIVE. He accuses his teammates in a last ditch bid to survive. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-74-by-skyironsword/msg1301204/#msg1301204 I dont see any of these moments in timpas current play. Timpa hasn't really called for and pushed for blood, timpa hasn't been in a ton of conversation. Now, admittedly this is all from 74.

So lets look at 73, and specifically his death, as its approaching now too. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1299035/#msg1299035 Look at the effort. Where is it in this game? Again we see an extensive readlist from timpa as mafia http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298098/#msg1298098 like these posts are huge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1297959/#msg1297959

Now, I concede that the /Vibe/ could be the same, and I trust my gut as much as the next guy, but rob you gotta admit the Content, Volume and Intent are not even close to the same. These two posts are by far the two most developed timpa has offered and they are barren. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-77-by-linkcat/msg1306093/#msg1306093 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-77-by-linkcat/msg1305477/#msg1305477

If were going to kill timpa, I need more then a feeling from you rob, if the dead are giving you info and you need us to trust you thats fine, but this feels flimsy.

Here you see kdz defend timpa now - mafia defending another town. Its been a pattern this game so please dont fall for it

[worldwideweb3]

Hi guys! Power still out  But thats okay, I'm here to post, but I'll have to keep it a lil brief. (Plus I found my backup phone battery, so I guess I got that going for me)

VV
Serp - Silent Stalker Info, curtesy of torb
Rob - By Virtue of Serp

V

N+
PlayerOa - Feels like typical Oa stuff. I haven't seen anything overtly out of place, and I agree with most of their points. Namely their concern over poke (And confusion over the rules heh. I confess, theres so much /happening/ I'm so used to the simple Wolf+Cop+Doc set up. I think I'm getting the hang of it though)
kaempfer13 - Is just doing kae stuff I guess? Lynch logs and etc. Quelled some bloodlust, trying to solve, etc. Not sure if I agree with their thoughts on the vig shots, but I at least understand it.


N
skyironsword - Mainly just confused on this one, spends 10 posts talking about confirming aqua, then hard claims not aqua, I just dont get the point of asking so often. It feels like they just get stuck on these rabbit holes or pipe dreams and drives a conversation around those ideas. If it pays off, they'll quickly move up but for now I cant tell if its not just a distraction/nonsense. I feel like I need to sit down and just reread their messages in the context of the information thats been revealed.
MW - hasn't actively thrown yet. Can't tell if thats a good or bad sign. Looking forward to the excitement if that changes though ;P.
andretimpa - Hasn't spoken much of value Post Torb/Serp. I'd love to get some more from them, esp considering they have 0 people at n- who arent either dead or conf town, so obv the readlist is out of date. This one is the most volatile in N.


N-
W3 - As usual, I disagree with just about everything they say and do. I cant tell if its just that we have opposite playstyles, or I just cant follow w3's logic but my gut screams sus. Only at n- to account for any bias in terms of playstyle, but its hard when I disagree with just about every single post.
Poke - Talks about catching up, but has not posted much of substance. I'd love to have more to go on. I'm not sure if its pressure thats needed to get more out, or simply time.

My Lynch order currently is W3 -> Poke -> ???  (if I HAD to include N - MW->Sky->Timpa)




This ??? is mainly because of the ambiguity surrounding timpa atm for me.

If I were to ask for a plan of action, I would want a new read list from timpa to start. I'd like poke to be an actual player rather then just slipping under the radar (Big talk from me eh?). I'd like MW to spend a minute reading the rules so we don't have to policy lynch them (As someone who is perpetually confused, being so only gets you so far.) I'd like sky to make sense to me. Lastly I'd really just like to see more from rob I know youre just finding the time to play (And already a conf town ;p go you) so don't think this is a chastisement, the last day has been great i'm just eager to get more.

Also as I said, this is mobile, I can develop more if needed and again, open to discussion/questions/prodding, but patience please

Also Also, can we PLEASE not shorten day phases/night phases? I can concede the night phase shorten I guess but the 2 days really helps me have enough time to read everything, since my free time is so damn chaotic.

Again, kdz putting me at top lynch priority

[worldwideweb3]

Oh It wasnt a slight, I'm sorry if it came across as such, but you play much different then anyone I played with IRL, I admire it more then anything, but it throws me way off.

I was joking. You're fine.

<3

robs silence is so deafening he's got to have a lot of pressure irl already, dont see him intentionally playing like this as either alignement. let's hope he wakes out of his coma. if not aa and him get modkilled/subbed at the end of this day, no need to even use aqua let alone the lynch for that purpose.

yeah... I guess you might right, Im just so used to rob having such a role in the game early. But I'm told dead town dead game caused issues last game, so I'm hesitant to let afk peoples off so easy

offtopic: heads up: I have a visitor through most of the second half of the next dayphase (yh, I thought nightphases were 1 day, too). I'll try to be around at EoD, but no guarantees.

No worries, the game is just that, a game. Spend time with your visitor.

I've always wanted to see competitive bus racing.

Spoiler for Your wish is my command:

Standard mafia thing here - dont engage too much with each other but enough so you dont completely ignore each other and seem as mafia. Kdz's approach to kaemps and sky has been the same.

[worldwideweb3]

Sorry guys, I didn't do nearly as much as I meant to today. Can't be around for EoD after all either, since my visitor comes a bit later than expected, so we definitely want to use that time. Theoretically this would give me some time before noon to work on this, but I got some other things to prepare in rl as well.

But yh these trains are like night and day, 2 confirmed town on the one side and several people that i wanted to take another look at on the other. If it's gonna be like this i suppose the decision is easy, even if i wanted w3 dead the day before.

worldwideweb3 (4) - PlayerOa, timpa, skyironsword, killsdazombies
timpa (5) - rob77dp, worldwideweb3, MasterNoob, serprex, kaempfer13

You may think kae was defending me here - in reality all 3 mafia on one train is a bad thing for mafia so kae had no other option.

[worldwideweb3]

I could see sky, Oa, kdz tbh. But I am nowhere near the teambuilding stage myself.

Would scum!kae really put both his teammates in a trio like that this early in the game? It's possible but I feel more likely he'd feel obligated to put at least one (kdz - check) but shy away from naming BOTH. Leans me again toward sky likely town...

Yes scum kae would. He has soft bussed sky and kdz throughout the game on different occasions. He has raised suspicion on everyone who wasnt a conf town throughout this mafia - if he only leaves out his mafia buddies then its way too obvs, kae knows this.

[worldwideweb3]

I'm beginning to suspect a mafia member among kae/kdz/poke, but I think all theoretical teams at this point have to include either w3 or Oa. Any chance we can shoot them both? Ideally, the team is w3/Oa/MW and we can just lynch them all sequentially, but I don't expect things to go that smoothly.

Like... does sky make this post at that point of the game listing both teammates first in her post's opening trio? I read this a tad more likely sky is town.

You will see how the post acc ended with a team of 3 completely different people, and with a request to kill oa and myself, 2 people not on her scum list.