Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat

[shockcannon]

Now lets talk about sky. Big talker. Has asked about using FTW on me roughly 10 times this game which seems like a bit of an overkill to me especially when like 5 people have already responded saying yeah it's cool. Immediate reaction is hmm she's probably Aqua, and only the real Aqua (if it's not her) would know she's not Aqua and just trying to get me killed. But I think we have to give her some credit and I think there is some ulterior motive to making this statement so obvious and saying it multiple times. For me this is a red flag because I don't think it's just a sign of someone trying to kill me off. I think this is a cover up or a cover your bases type of move for something else going on.

[shockcannon]

Forgot to add this in the post about FTW, but again I think FTW will be much stronger late game than now. Right now if I'm going to be objective about this situation and not talk like a shock with some crazy motives that I'm trying to spin, I think FTW early on is actually a massive gamble. You know I'm being objective and not trying to avoid a death because I think this is pretty similar to why I vote for no lynch day 1.

You really have no info, 1.) because like I say with no lynch, we haven't had enough night actions to gather appropriate information to make kills that are more than just random. The idea of just using every kill chance possible because it increases our odds of hitting mafia is so astoundingly misguided I don't understand how everyone still believes this. You realize that just because your odds of killing x amount of mafia by x time in the game are increased doesn't mean your chances of winning are increased. You're speeding up the game and your odds of hitting mafia are way better with less players around. With most secondary killing roles being limited use, you're odds of hitting mafia are greatly increased if you wait and you get the added benefit of having more night actions used by town throughout the game to inform your kill when you do use it. I don't understand how everyone misses this basic math.

[shockcannon]

Next we're talking about kdz. Honestly who knows how this guy's post count is 37. Does anyone remember this kid saying anything remotely substantial??? Big sus, offers posts that average like 1 sentence. Present enough to avoid afk discussion, distant enough to avoid early targeting and lynch discussion. I'm about to offer 10x the discussion value than him in literally 1/2 of his posts. I might be chaotic and a detriment to the town as some say but at least I give things for others to point me as guilty or innocent as well as calling out other players flaws and bringing to light the little things that everyone misses. This guy might not be an active detriment to town but he sure ain't helping.

[worldwideweb3]

Forgot to add this in the post about FTW, but again I think FTW will be much stronger late game than now. Right now if I'm going to be objective about this situation and not talk like a shock with some crazy motives that I'm trying to spin, I think FTW early on is actually a massive gamble. You know I'm being objective and not trying to avoid a death because I think this is pretty similar to why I vote for no lynch day 1.

You really have no info, 1.) because like I say with no lynch, we haven't had enough night actions to gather appropriate information to make kills that are more than just random. The idea of just using every kill chance possible because it increases our odds of hitting mafia is so astoundingly misguided I don't understand how everyone still believes this. You realize that just because your odds of killing x amount of mafia by x time in the game are increased doesn't mean your chances of winning are increased. You're speeding up the game and your odds of hitting mafia are way better with less players around. With most secondary killing roles being limited use, you're odds of hitting mafia are greatly increased if you wait and you get the added benefit of having more night actions used by town throughout the game to inform your kill when you do use it. I don't understand how everyone misses this basic math.

Not everyone

[shockcannon]

PlayerOa - definitely mafia. I actually decided to read through the thread and it's pretty clear to me. This is kind of the main reason I'm making all these posts all of a sudden is so I can threaten killing him with Aqua. I'm pretty sure 95% of you guys will doubt that I'm actually Aqua but we'll see if Oa will or not. Also anyone who happens to know my actual role or did any sort of visiting of me last night other than serp, will know that there's a good chance I'm actually Aqua for reasons I won't say now.

[MasterWalks]

I'll respond to Kae after shocks extravaganza. Long story short, I want peoples reads because I don't have any. I need to see information that other have cuz I have very little. I gambled everything on Torb and lost.

[worldwideweb3]

I'll respond to Kae after shocks extravaganza. Long story short, I want peoples reads because I don't have any. I need to see information that other have cuz I have very little. I gambled everything on Torb and lost.

Don’t rely on people’s reads, they’re not civs or anything. We want to hear your thoughts and it is fine if you don’t have much rn to say.

[shockcannon]

Okay last post for now because honestly this is getting tiring, but why the heck are we wasting serp check on Rob? This seems like a big missed opportunity. There's 3 players in my opinion that are most crucial to knowing their alignment because they'll tell us so much more about everyone else's alignment.

These are shock, sky, andre. I'm putting myself more from the perspective of everyone else because on the off chance I'm actually mafia I feel like from the view point of someone else I would want to know that as soon as possible because me being mafia changes a lot of dynamics imo. If you want me to offer another player instead of myself that I think we should also find out their alignment then the 4th would be Naii. I think there's a good chance he's mafia hiding in bottom 4.

[serprex]

Sky due to unfamiliarity with how she plays and her general attitude is slightly scummy. Like I said I get espi vibes and espi is always scummy.
Naii/shock. Typically there is a really low poster on Mafia teams with the exception of last mafia. Probably due to half blood. Scum being completely afk is rare tho.
Andre. I think Andre is sheeping me and that makes me uncomfortable. No one ever listens to me but he's repeating a lot of the stuff I say. It's so unusual it's kinda sus I guess.

Here MW, I found some reads for you to sheep

Shock's nonsensical rambling has me sold. Solid bus on Oa

[MasterWalks]

Don't stop now shock. You have 7 more posts to catch up and this is entertaining

[serprex]

Okay last post for now because honestly this is getting tiring, but why the heck are we wasting serp check on Rob?

Rob only requires I live this night, a different check requires I live 2 nights

I already explained why Rob was my N0 check

[shockcannon]

And I do realize that using FTW on me is a way of checking my alignment which is why I'm encouraging it. It will be unfortunate if you find me alive the following day though because I'm actually the Aqua but once again I approve of this. Now I just realized that you might also be thinking well then why is shock trying to get out of the bottom 4 so suddenly and I realize this is a major flaw in my plan that I overlooked.


As a result I will let the rest of the town decide whether they want me to stay in bottom 4 posters or put pressure on Oa. I will take the final vote count in roughly 10 hours from this post.

Stay in FTW range - 0 votes
Pressure Oa or anyone else that's 5th in posts - 0 votes