Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat

[skyironsword]

if info is what you want wouldn't torb be the best lynch? Not a fan of infolynches myself, though i dont really have a good lynch idea myself.

TorB's death only tells us whether his role could check serprex, not whether serprex is actually clear. We've established that he probably isn't Amelia, and we wouldn't want to lynch Amelia anyway.

[skyironsword]

EBWOP: isnt that scenario kind of assuming TorB/serp are w/w, if Sub is town? Actually im not following the logic much at all. essentially what you're saying is any hardcore push this early involves at least 1 town, since bussing isnt very good early.

It's assuming that at least one of them is mafia, but it'll be difficult to pinpoint which one, so they're both investigative candidates.

[kaempfer13]

EBWOP: isnt that scenario kind of assuming TorB/serp are w/w, if Sub is town? Actually im not following the logic much at all. essentially what you're saying is any hardcore push this early involves at least 1 town, since bussing isnt very good early.

It's assuming that at least one of them is mafia, but it'll be difficult to pinpoint which one, so they're both investigative candidates.

But why though? Also if its just one of them no way its serp, since TorB rushed to help him out.

[skyironsword]

But why though? Also if its just one of them no way its serp, since TorB rushed to help him out.

You don't think it's possible that TorB just doesn't want to lose his only lead?

[kaempfer13]

1. not addressing how it couldn't just both be wrong town.
2. Mostly no. Or at least that lead must've given him some confidence that serp is town somehow.

[serprex]

If we aren't just voting Sub for the memes I strongly recommend someone start a counterwagon on timpa

mw

serp

sub

kaempf

timpa

naii

shock

oa

www3

kdz

rob

anti

torb

sky

mw

n-

n+

n+

n-

n+

n

n

n

n-

n-

n-

serp

n+

w

n+

n+

n-

n-

n

n

n+

n

n

v

v

sub

n+

n+

n+

n

n+

n-

n

n+

n

n-

kaempf

n+

v

n+

n

n

n+

n

n

n

n

n+

timpa

n+

n-

n

v

n

n

n

n

n

n-

n+

naii

n

n+

n+

n+

n

n

n

n

n

n-

n

shock

oa

www3

kdz

rob

anti

torb

sky

Spoiler for code:

Code: [Select]

#!/usr/bin/env python3
readslist = {
'mw': {
'url': 'http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-77-by-linkcat/msg1305452/#msg1305452',
'n+': ('sub', 'kaempf', 'shock'),
'n': ('oa', 'www3', 'kdz'),
'n-': ('rob', 'naii', 'anti', 'torb', 'serp'),
},
'serp': {
'url': 'http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-77-by-linkcat/msg1305453/#msg1305453',
'v': ('sky', 'torb'),
'n+': ('mw', 'kaempf', 'timpa', 'kdz'),
'n': ('rob', 'oa', 'www3', 'anti'),
'n-': ('shock', 'naii'),
'w': ('sub',)
},
'sub': {
'url': 'http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-77-by-linkcat/msg1305465/#msg1305465',
'n+': ('kaempf', 'serp', 'kdz', 'mw', 'shock'),
'n': ('www3', 'torb', 'timpa'),
'n-': ('oa', 'sky')
},
'kaempf': {
'url': 'http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-77-by-linkcat/msg1305470/#msg1305470',
'v': ('serp',),
'n+': ('sub', 'shock', 'mw', 'sky'),
'n': ('oa', 'naii', 'www3', 'torb', 'kdz', 'timpa'),
},
'timpa': {
'url': 'http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-77-by-linkcat/msg1305477/#msg1305477',
'v': ('kaempf',),
'n+': ('mw', 'sky',),
'n': ('sub', 'www3', 'oa', 'naii', 'kdz', 'shock'),
'n-': ('serp', 'torb'),
},
'naii': {
'url': 'http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-77-by-linkcat/msg1305535/#msg1305535',
'n+': ('kaempf', 'sub', 'serp'),
'n': ('oa', 'www3', 'timpa', 'kdz', 'shock', 'sky', 'mw'),
'n-': ('torb',)
}
}

names = list(readslist.keys())

readsmap = {}
readsurl = {}
for name, reads in readslist.items():
for k in reads:
if k == 'url': continue
for readee in reads[k]:
if readee not in names: names.append(readee)
readsmap[name, readee] = k

print('[table]')
print('[tr][td][/td]',end='')
print(''.join(f'[td]{name}[/td]' for name in names), end='')
print('[/tr]', end='')
for reader in names:
reads = readslist.get(reader, None)
url = reads and reads.get('url', None)
if url:
print(f'[tr][td][url={url}]{reader}[/url][/td]', end='')
else:
print(f'[tr][td]{reader}[/td]', end='')
for readee in names:
print('[td]', readsmap.get((reader, readee), ''), '[/td]', sep='', end='')
print('[/tr]')
print('[/table]')


[skyironsword]

1. not addressing how it couldn't just both be wrong town.

I should've been more clear. It makes both of them good investigation candidates, but they don't necessarily have to be mafia.

[serprex]

sky is scum sheeping my mislynch of sub while convincing town to investigate NK targets

[kaempfer13]

1. not addressing how it couldn't just both be wrong town.

I should've been more clear. It makes both of them good investigation candidates, but they don't necessarily have to be mafia.

But in that case Subs flip means nothing unless he flips scum, which incidentally neither of us is confident in.

[skyironsword]

But in that case Subs flip means nothing unless he flips scum, which incidentally neither of us is confident in.

It's day 1. All it takes for this lynch to be worthwhile is for it to be better than random lynch.

[serprex]

So looking over my grid, mw conveniently doesn't offer reads on sky & timpa

Meanwhile timpa goes n on sub when he has a chance to sheep kaempf's n+. Makes me think timpa/sub aren't w/w (wifom logic aside)

These points further support my stance that people should only be voting sub if they're memeing

[kaempfer13]

But in that case Subs flip means nothing unless he flips scum, which incidentally neither of us is confident in.

It's day 1. All it takes for this lynch to be worthwhile is for it to be better than random lynch.

But its not even that. if you take a random group of 3 people you have an over 50% chance to find at least one maf.