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Who played the best mafia?

Submachine
1 (3%)
worldwideweb3
1 (3%)
PlayerOa
1 (3%)
serprex
2 (6.1%)
MasterNoob
9 (27.3%)
kaempfer13
8 (24.2%)
Pokechu
2 (6.1%)
andretimpa
0 (0%)
Naii_the_Baf
1 (3%)
rob77dp
3 (9.1%)
killsdazombies
1 (3%)
TheonlyrealBeef
0 (0%)
shockcannon
2 (6.1%)
skyironsword
2 (6.1%)

Total Members Voted: 14

Voting closed: August 12, 2021, 05:20:11 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305490#msg1305490
« Reply #240 on: July 21, 2021, 04:38:27 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305491#msg1305491
« Reply #241 on: July 21, 2021, 05:03:02 pm »
Torb's analysis is going to be that Naii is scum. There's two scum between sub/naii/shock/www3/timpa
Oh, is that so. Naii hasn't really left an impact on me either way. Coming at that conclusion now would just feel like OMGUS.
I was hoping to see more lynch votes while I waited, but I'm not seeing much progress. Guess I might as well analyze the whole thread again and form some reads.

On top of it all I'm missing his more pushy attitude.
I like pushing people to be more active, sure. Pushing for shock activity is not going to accomplish anything, while anti and rob were in modkill zone. Oh, I guess that makes the conclusion to vote Naii? I don't mind, but I'll wait with my vote until I finish reads list. Which will obviously contain details on how I feel about the votes on me.

Not opposed to lynching shock, but it would be more of a policy lynch than anything else.
Looks like low hanging fruit to me. torb and serp are acting much weirder.
I want to lynch serprex, but if TorB has a legitimate reason for defending him, I'll hear him out.
The obvious ways to get a green peek are:
  • Being mafia.
  • Using Investimigate on a player twice as Amelia Watson.
  • Find out whom has the Amelia Watson role.
We already know it cannot be the second and I will not admit to the first or third. I also wouldn't lie as town, yet am willing to claim that the identity of Amelia Watson, wasn't a part of my N0 pm. With that being said, there are other methods to get a green... lean? I'll admit to leaving out all the important parts of how I arrived on one of those, but that's just how it is. Read over some roles and find my role breadcrumb if you're that curious. Not that I'll admit to any theories, so just keep those to yourself.

All killing me will accomplish is killing a town and revealing serp is probably-town. Not that he'll live long enough as the only confirmed-probably-town. Killing serp means I lose my main town lean. Isn't opposing both choices the obvious choice for me?

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305492#msg1305492
« Reply #242 on: July 21, 2021, 05:12:31 pm »
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so I'll try analyzing which of the people voting me are most likely to be mafia
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So expecting you to pull an OMGUS wasn't unreasonable. Naii seems more scummy than MW, the latter whom I'm decided deserves to win if he can play lost town so well as scum as he does while town

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305493#msg1305493
« Reply #243 on: July 21, 2021, 05:14:52 pm »
Mobile. Remove 8-) my vote from rob please. Frankly I thought I removed it at my last post, but sky made a decent point, and I think pressure votes should be applied to the people who are historically not so great on the post front.

The insight from torb helps a little bit, but I agree both of them strike me as out of character/off. Not enough for a lean mind you, but I confess it causes me some trepidation. Hopefully by eod I develop a bit more insight into either of them.

On a similar note I can't seem to pick up a vibe from sub, last time that happened he was scum. However its only day 1 so its probably just due to lack of time to interact.

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305494#msg1305494
« Reply #244 on: July 21, 2021, 05:41:12 pm »
The obvious ways to get a green peek are:
  • Being mafia.
  • Using Investimigate on a player twice as Amelia Watson.
  • Find out whom has the Amelia Watson role.
We already know it cannot be the second and I will not admit to the first or third. I also wouldn't lie as town, yet am willing to claim that the identity of Amelia Watson, wasn't a part of my N0 pm. With that being said, there are other methods to get a green... lean? I'll admit to leaving out all the important parts of how I arrived on one of those, but that's just how it is. Read over some roles and find my role breadcrumb if you're that curious. Not that I'll admit to any theories, so just keep those to yourself.
Bruh. So if any of those 3 are true, you either just hard claimed mafia or you just exposed GN. Both of which are a lynchable offence. Honestly, theres no loss to lynching you now, we either hit a mafia, and then we kill serp and hit another mafia, or you just got serp killed next night phase and we lose GN. So you are either whatever the psion role is or you are mafia and serp is either mafia or GN.

There is actually no way i believe any of this. TORB is too smart and analytical normally to damn near throw the game. Youre right, you wouldnt lie as town and i think this is a big lie. I suspect O R C H E S T R A T I N G
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305495#msg1305495
« Reply #245 on: July 21, 2021, 05:42:30 pm »
What torb said is universal. Since I got a green peek on torb, docs on torb pls. Since according to kdz outing cops "helps a little bit" it seems subtlety isn't something we're capable of

Poor torb having to spoonfeed everyone besides kaempf & me & anti

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305496#msg1305496
« Reply #246 on: July 21, 2021, 05:43:46 pm »
Not afk anymore, someone irl messed up and now I don't get to spend a week elsewhere with family. Which means I can play mafia.

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305497#msg1305497
« Reply #247 on: July 21, 2021, 05:47:53 pm »
do people who are targetted notified they are targetted? it probably says in the rules somewhere which i should be reading soon
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305498#msg1305498
« Reply #248 on: July 21, 2021, 05:48:47 pm »
hol' up, now I've completely lost track, no way serprex is cop right?

What torb said is universal. Since I got a green peek on torb, docs on torb pls. Since according to kdz outing cops "helps a little bit" it seems subtlety isn't something we're capable of

Poor torb having to spoonfeed everyone besides kaempf & me & anti

If mafia kills me & I'm GN, I checked skyironsword & they're town

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305499#msg1305499
« Reply #249 on: July 21, 2021, 05:54:25 pm »
Updating vote for KDZ.

No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305500#msg1305500
« Reply #250 on: July 21, 2021, 05:54:45 pm »
I made that sky troll post before N0 even ended

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305501#msg1305501
« Reply #251 on: July 21, 2021, 05:56:11 pm »
Torb's analysis is going to be that Naii is scum. There's two scum between sub/naii/shock/www3/timpa
Oh, is that so. Naii hasn't really left an impact on me either way. Coming at that conclusion now would just feel like OMGUS.
I was hoping to see more lynch votes while I waited, but I'm not seeing much progress. Guess I might as well analyze the whole thread again and form some reads.

On top of it all I'm missing his more pushy attitude.
I like pushing people to be more active, sure. Pushing for shock activity is not going to accomplish anything, while anti and rob were in modkill zone. Oh, I guess that makes the conclusion to vote Naii? I don't mind, but I'll wait with my vote until I finish reads list. Which will obviously contain details on how I feel about the votes on me.

Not opposed to lynching shock, but it would be more of a policy lynch than anything else.
Looks like low hanging fruit to me. torb and serp are acting much weirder.
I want to lynch serprex, but if TorB has a legitimate reason for defending him, I'll hear him out.
The obvious ways to get a green peek are:
  • Being mafia.
  • Using Investimigate on a player twice as Amelia Watson.
  • Find out whom has the Amelia Watson role.
We already know it cannot be the second and I will not admit to the first or third. I also wouldn't lie as town, yet am willing to claim that the identity of Amelia Watson, wasn't a part of my N0 pm. With that being said, there are other methods to get a green... lean? I'll admit to leaving out all the important parts of how I arrived on one of those, but that's just how it is. Read over some roles and find my role breadcrumb if you're that curious. Not that I'll admit to any theories, so just keep those to yourself.

All killing me will accomplish is killing a town and revealing serp is probably-town. Not that he'll live long enough as the only confirmed-probably-town. Killing serp means I lose my main town lean. Isn't opposing both choices the obvious choice for me?

I really tried finding subtle ways to respond to this without exposing ame, but you made it abundantly clear all by yourself already, there isn't any other reading possible. God, i hope you're just mafia!
So that would be option 1, we just lynch you and you flip red, which would be great, but I dont see why you would get yourself into the situation in the first place.

So option 3 (looks at list of rolecops):
Mio cant do it
Sora should just see a targeted investigative, which doesnt necessarily mean ame (rushia, choco)
Choco would see ER+passive which could be haato, subaru, coco, ina
Ina could see both of those

So if I'm not misinterpreting anything the only way TorB could be sure serp is ame, is if he is ina and choco and sora crossfired on serprex. Maybe he got overconfident on just seeing an investigative as Sora.

In any case TorB played that very poorly regardless of alignement.
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