Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat

[skyironsword]

I'm supposed to make a reads list every so often, right?

I don't think Link would make shock mafia and risk the integrity of the game. Everyone else is acting pretty scummy.

Confirmed town: Submachine
Probably town: shockcannon
Probably mafia: worldwideweb3, PlayerOa, kaempfer13, antiaverage, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, rob77dp, killsdazombies, TheonlyrealBeef
Confirmed mafia: serprex

[kaempfer13]

General rule questions:
Will cause of death be specified or is the deathannouncement indistinguishable for vigshots and nightkill?

Tokino Sora
So You're The Enemy? (1U) - Target a player, if they are an Anti and you correctly name their secondary role, their abilities are permanently disabled.
Is there any feedback on whether this ability worked or not? Is it refunded if it fails due to an incorrect guess?

Akai Haato/Haachama
Haachama - HAACHAMACHAMA (ER) - Target a player. They become HAACHAMACHAMA. A random ability of theirs is replaced with this ability. If a #U ability with multiple remaining uses is chosen, they get a copy of this ability for each remaining use.
How do those multiple copies for x use work? HAACHAMACHAMA can only be used that many times in total or in the contrary you get multiple copies of it that you can use seperately each night? what if you get 2 abilities replaced with this, can you use it multiple times a night?

Yuzuki Choco
Nurse's Touch (ER) - Target another player, the first time they would die this Night, they live instead. If they have an ability that was changed or disabled, restore the original ability. You can't target yourself or the same player twice in a row.
undoing ability change works retroactive or only on same night? Is it independent from the death safe?

Oozora Subaru

Good Cop Bad Cop (Passive) - If both effects of Oozora Police are applied to the same target, the player who applied the first effect learns who they targeted this Night.
Honestly i dont understand this one at all. if oozaro police crossfires the target shouldnt be able to use secondaries, right? So does Oozora learn who crossfired out of the family that can already communicate directly or does this one show who the target attempted to target (since the target that was crossfired already has secondaries disabled).

Uruha Rushia
Necromancy (1U) - Target a dead player, raise them as a zombie of your alignment. There is a public notification revealing which player is revived, and they do not count for parity. They may not talk in the thread or a pad and you control their ability uses. If you die, they die as well. Any changes to their abilities while they were alive still apply, including # of uses remaining.
Can the zombie be interacted with directly? (e.g. changing their ability, investigating, vigging)


Calliope Mori
Guide to the Underworld (Passive) - When any player dies, they may pass on a final message to you during the first 24 hours after their death.
Reaper's First Apprentice (1U) - Target another player, they die. This ability bypasses all defensive abilities. If you target Kureiji Ollie or a player raised by Necromancy, your ability use is refunded upon resolution.


Amelia Watson
Watson Concoction (ER) - Target player's investigative abilities fail this Night. If the target used Asacoco this Night, it fails due to an overdose and the ability they copied is permanently disabled.
Does the Asacoco clause apply to nonivestigative abilities?

[skyironsword]

Only a mafia member would care about ability mechanics other than their own. kaempfer also mafia, quote me.

[MasterWalks]

Your not supposed to soft claim this early kaempf. Last game I did the same thing of asking about different roles and my actual role, which is the only one I cared to be answered.

Kae is rusty. He got killed too early last game. Just post lynch logs and watch the pros.

[kaempfer13]

I agree that Link doesn't have the spine to jokingly out mafia members as mafia, but there's a good chance that he tried to do the opposite once someone pointed this out.

Submachine confirmed town, serprex confirmed mafia.

Rule of 3, eh?
(For context rule of 3 is that when a mafia member posts a list of 3 names, exactly 1 of them tends to be mafia. It's a somewhat questionable rule, especially since even if it did apply people could easily counter it when aware of it.
The theory is that people who are forced to lie want to sprinkle in a bit of truth to feel better and thats how they end up correctly calling out a team member. thats the theory.
Sky extended that rule to all spoiled people (aka the mod) and claimed herself town (hold on you called yourself mafia earlier, which is it now?))

[skyironsword]

What do you mean? I never claimed town. Only the mafia do that.

[kaempfer13]

Only a mafia member would care about ability mechanics other than their own. kaempfer also mafia, quote me.

Your acting as though townsfolk couldnt be targeted by other people (or deduce questionable claims if they come up). additionally there are some roles in there that could indirectly help finding mafia, depending on how they work, case in point Sora's enemy.

[Linkcat]

General rule questions:
Will cause of death be specified or is the deathannouncement indistinguishable for vigshots and nightkill? The Nightkill is the only death that will have the cause specified.

Tokino Sora
So You're The Enemy? (1U) - Target a player, if they are an Anti and you correctly name their secondary role, their abilities are permanently disabled.
Is there any feedback on whether this ability worked or not? Is it refunded if it fails due to an incorrect guess? No, and no.

Akai Haato/Haachama
Haachama - HAACHAMACHAMA (ER) - Target a player. They become HAACHAMACHAMA. A random ability of theirs is replaced with this ability. If a #U ability with multiple remaining uses is chosen, they get a copy of this ability for each remaining use.
How do those multiple copies for x use work? HAACHAMACHAMA can only be used that many times in total or in the contrary you get multiple copies of it that you can use seperately each night? what if you get 2 abilities replaced with this, can you use it multiple times a night? You can use it once for each copy of the ability you have.

Yuzuki Choco
Nurse's Touch (ER) - Target another player, the first time they would die this Night, they live instead. If they have an ability that was changed or disabled, restore the original ability. You can't target yourself or the same player twice in a row.
undoing ability change works retroactive or only on same night? Is it independent from the death safe? It works according to priority. Both effects are independent and applied at the same time.

Oozora Subaru

Good Cop Bad Cop (Passive) - If both effects of Oozora Police are applied to the same target, the player who applied the first effect learns who they targeted this Night.
Honestly i dont understand this one at all. if oozaro police crossfires the target shouldnt be able to use secondaries, right? So does Oozora learn who crossfired out of the family that can already communicate directly or does this one show who the target attempted to target (since the target that was crossfired already has secondaries disabled). The attempted target of the target.

Uruha Rushia
Necromancy (1U) - Target a dead player, raise them as a zombie of your alignment. There is a public notification revealing which player is revived, and they do not count for parity. They may not talk in the thread or a pad and you control their ability uses. If you die, they die as well. Any changes to their abilities while they were alive still apply, including # of uses remaining.
Can the zombie be interacted with directly? (e.g. changing their ability, investigating, vigging) Yes.


Calliope Mori
Guide to the Underworld (Passive) - When any player dies, they may pass on a final message to you during the first 24 hours after their death.
Reaper's First Apprentice (1U) - Target another player, they die. This ability bypasses all defensive abilities. If you target Kureiji Ollie or a player raised by Necromancy, your ability use is refunded upon resolution. There's no question here, but the answer is no.


Amelia Watson
Watson Concoction (ER) - Target player's investigative abilities fail this Night. If the target used Asacoco this Night, it fails due to an overdose and the ability they copied is permanently disabled.
Does the Asacoco clause apply to nonivestigative abilities? Yes.

[serprex]

Watame's Lullaby has priority but no text

[skyironsword]

Watame's Lullaby has priority but no text

It used to be EoR immunity to offensive abilities. I know this because I looked at the host sheet just now.

[serprex]

Also: what are nonivestigative abilities? & you didn't answer kae's specific Nurse's Touch scenario

N2: ability of sky is disabled
N3: nurse's touch targets sky
N4: was sky's ability reenabled?

[skyironsword]

Also: what are nonivestigative abilities?

Check the key underneath the Secondary Roles heading.

Investigative abilities have yellow text, offensive abilities have red text, and defensive abilities have blue text. Some abilities are multiple types and are written in both colors. For example, Amelia, Watame, and Subaru are written in yellow, so those three roles are investigative abilities.