Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat

[Pokechu]

roleblocking here doesnt stop the nightkill so its basically unuseable. Then again serp did use a roleblock n0.
Everyone I presume? If you were town you should have saved serp, which you claim you tried and were blocked. But I and serp would have been the only ones capable of doing that.
Rob may choose to tell you why it is extra-unlikely but we can probably just wait for serps deathrattle to be absolutely sure.
You were the only one who could have done it, but in hindsight it's actually better this way.

I'm very sure you are lying about getting blocked, so we are mechanically at odds. Yh mechanics can make solving completely trivial.

We have no hammers only a majority of players choosing to shorten the dayphase can lead to early lynches.

it's soooooo obvious serp was going to get nightkilled I don't even know why the mafia did it. but why would I specifically kill serp as mafia??? scum!Gura killing serp. Like it's such a bad play because *everyone* knows that Gura should have protected serp. if I'm lying about being blocked then I could have easily targeted rob and been less suspicious and claimed yeah I protected serp sorry to you rob. if anything this should make me likelier to be town tbh not scum because scum!Gura would be out of their mind to think this wouldn't backfire

it just really dont make sense... the problem solving is not present for class today. imagine scum!Gura wanting serp out so badly that they incriminate themselves and also refuse to vig a town player. Like if I'm scum yall were literally telling me to kill Oa so why is he not dead... LOL

[Pokechu]

Well you hadn't been particularly smart about roles so far. Also you seem to have thought there were more roleblocks around so you probably thought you could get away with it.

Incorrect, I thought serp's roleblock was the only one.

this narrows mafia to sky mw poke kae

I really hope serp did target rob second time lol

Serp targeted me, I was blocked.

Right at the start of the phase I assumed Serp blocked me. also you know I would have scum buddy to form plans with right???? Which player would let this plan go through.

[MasterWalks]

You target serp with trident so he still dies even if angel targets him. You don't kill Oa cuz you needed trident on serp or cuz Oa is teammate.

I don't think Oa is your teammate tho. I think it's Poke/W3. W3 revived timpa so heal himself in case I target him with rockpapergun and to look town. If you flip town then team is Sky/w3.

[kaempfer13]

Tbh, I really dont understand what you thought there either. When I saw the kills I had assumed you just hadnt reacted in time since there was so much back and forth whether and who to kill.

[Pokechu]

You target serp with trident so he still dies even if angel targets him. You don't kill Oa cuz you needed trident on serp or cuz Oa is teammate.

I don't think Oa is your teammate tho. I think it's Poke/W3. W3 revived timpa so heal himself in case I target him with rockpapergun and to look town. If you flip town then team is Sky/w3.

Why would scum!Gura target Serp at all if it incriminates him?? That's the question. Even if I did trident Serp (which IDK if I could, does trident go through defensive abilities?) it still makes it painfully obvious it was done by Gura

[Pokechu]

Tbh, I really dont understand what you thought there either. When I saw the kills I had assumed you just hadnt reacted in time since there was so much back and forth whether and who to kill.

So in other words you can't really build a case for scum!Gura to target serp, you're just getting ahead of yourself by automatically assuming I'm lying about being blocked

[Pokechu]

You target serp with trident so he still dies even if angel targets him. You don't kill Oa cuz you needed trident on serp or cuz Oa is teammate.

I don't think Oa is your teammate tho. I think it's Poke/W3. W3 revived timpa so heal himself in case I target him with rockpapergun and to look town. If you flip town then team is Sky/w3.

also aren't the kills colorcoded? Like if I killed Serp w trident VS Serp being nightkilled wouldn't it be different colors in the post from Linkcat?? So it would be evident Gura is scum

[MasterWalks]

I digress. I didnt look at timing.

[kaempfer13]

Tbh, I really dont understand what you thought there either. When I saw the kills I had assumed you just hadnt reacted in time since there was so much back and forth whether and who to kill.

So in other words you can't really build a case for scum!Gura to target serp, you're just getting ahead of yourself by automatically assuming I'm lying about being blocked

As you said, for scum!gura the only obstacle to killing serp would be that it immediately throws shade at them. You do cling onto the fact that serp could have blocked you, but rob can give us clarity on that. Maybe you thought there would be more roleblockers too. For instance you have to read skies ability a bit attentively to realize it wouldnt stop bloop. I can only assume, but the fact is that serp is dead and I'm the only one other than gura that could have made this happen. So it's gonna be you or me unless serp tells us he did an oopsie.

[Pokechu]

Tbh, I really dont understand what you thought there either. When I saw the kills I had assumed you just hadnt reacted in time since there was so much back and forth whether and who to kill.

So in other words you can't really build a case for scum!Gura to target serp, you're just getting ahead of yourself by automatically assuming I'm lying about being blocked

As you said, for scum!gura the only obstacle to killing serp would be that it immediately throws shade at them. You do cling onto the fact that serp could have blocked you, but rob can give us clarity on that. Maybe you thought there would be more roleblockers too. For instance you have to read skies ability a bit attentively to realize it wouldnt stop bloop. I can only assume, but the fact is that serp is dead and I'm the only one other than gura that could have made this happen. So it's gonna be you or me unless serp tells us he did an oopsie.

Not just me misreading roles, but also my scum teammate?? Unless I did this all in a whim the last five min of night phase?

[skyironsword]

You target serp with trident so he still dies even if angel targets him. You don't kill Oa cuz you needed trident on serp or cuz Oa is teammate.

Not to defend Poke, but Poke wouldn't have used trident to kill through angel, because he is angel.

[kaempfer13]

There are multiple people struggling with how roles work here. just look at MW.