Post by: serprex on June 11, 2021, 07:34:37 pm
Elements Mafia
Started by Mastermind79, Continued by killsdazombies, Implosion, ddevans96, icecoldbro, Demagog, Purity_Riot, Dragoon1140, killsdazombies, 1world24, RavingRabbid, majofa, TStar, killsdazombies, mesaprotector, Regen2k9, Kuroaitou, whatifidogetcaught?, UnderneathTheLens, RootRanger, killsdazombies, Elbirn, ji412jo, dawn to dusk, eljoemo, Zawadx, killsdazombies, theelkspeaks, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Dm, Espithel, killsdazombies, skyironsword, Submachine, Coffeeditto, mathman101, Naesala, Ginyu, Linkcat, Solaris, Ryli, killsdazombies, Naii_the_Baf, PlayerOa, rob77dp, and serprex
All of the players in the game are collectively referred to as the Town. The Town is split into two factions. There is a minority faction, the mafia (False Gods), and a majority faction, the innocents (Elementals). The False Gods start the game with the knowledge of who the other members are, and their goal is to kill all of the Elementals. The Elementals start the game not knowing who is a False God and who is a fellow Elemental, and their goal is to kill all of the False Gods.
The game is split into two phases. It generally starts with a Night Phase, in which the False Gods choose one member of the Town to kill. This is called the Nightkill. Also, players may use abilities given to them by their roles during this phase. Following each Night Phase is the Day Phase. During the day, the Town may choose to lynch one player through the use of votes. Each player gets one vote, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched and removed from the game. This cycle continues until either all of the False Gods are dead, or the number of False Gods is equal to or greater than the number of Elementals at the beginning of a Day Phase. This is called reaching parity.
How to determine who is mafia and who is innocent is entirely up to the players. As a False God your job is to blend into the Town and direct lynches onto Elementals without giving yourself away. As an Elemental your job is to use logic, reason, tells, intuition, and any abilities you may have to determine who the False Gods are and lynch them. An inactive town will easily fall prey to the mafia, so try to generate as much information as possible. In the game of mafia you have two main weapons; your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.
The game is split into two phases. It generally starts with a Night Phase, in which the False Gods choose one member of the Town to kill. This is called the Nightkill. Also, players may use abilities given to them by their roles during this phase. Following each Night Phase is the Day Phase. During the day, the Town may choose to lynch one player through the use of votes. Each player gets one vote, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched and removed from the game. This cycle continues until either all of the False Gods are dead, or the number of False Gods is equal to or greater than the number of Elementals at the beginning of a Day Phase. This is called reaching parity.
How to determine who is mafia and who is innocent is entirely up to the players. As a False God your job is to blend into the Town and direct lynches onto Elementals without giving yourself away. As an Elemental your job is to use logic, reason, tells, intuition, and any abilities you may have to determine who the False Gods are and lynch them. An inactive town will easily fall prey to the mafia, so try to generate as much information as possible. In the game of mafia you have two main weapons; your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.
Village - Town
Villager - Innocent
Civ - Innocent
Wolf - Mafia
Scum - Mafia
Alignment - Primary Role
Rand/Roll - Having a role assigned to you
PR/Power Role - Roles that are very useful to the town - usually includes cop and medic
Cop - A role that has the ability to determine the alignment of another player
Medic - A role that has the ability to protect other players from the Nightkill
Shoot - To use an ability that would kill another player
Claim/Roleclaim - To say that you have a specific role
Civvy Central - A group of confirmed innocents
Scummy - Acting like a mafia
Towny - Acting like an innocent
Town-Cred/Town Points - Factors that make it more likely that a player is innocent
Read - How scummy or towny you think someone is
Tunnel - Having tunnel vision on a single player
Hammer - Casting the final vote needed for a lynch
Bus - To throw a fellow mafia member under the bus to get town-cred
Breadpost - Shitpost
EBWOP - Edit By Way Of Post - Making another post with changes instead of editing a previous one
RQS - Random Question Stage, a common way to start games where one player puts forth a survey of questions for every player to answer
OMGUS - Oh My God, U Suck - Voting on the person who voted on you
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY) - The dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one
Villager - Innocent
Civ - Innocent
Wolf - Mafia
Scum - Mafia
Alignment - Primary Role
Rand/Roll - Having a role assigned to you
PR/Power Role - Roles that are very useful to the town - usually includes cop and medic
Cop - A role that has the ability to determine the alignment of another player
Medic - A role that has the ability to protect other players from the Nightkill
Shoot - To use an ability that would kill another player
Claim/Roleclaim - To say that you have a specific role
Civvy Central - A group of confirmed innocents
Scummy - Acting like a mafia
Towny - Acting like an innocent
Town-Cred/Town Points - Factors that make it more likely that a player is innocent
Read - How scummy or towny you think someone is
Tunnel - Having tunnel vision on a single player
Hammer - Casting the final vote needed for a lynch
Bus - To throw a fellow mafia member under the bus to get town-cred
Breadpost - Shitpost
EBWOP - Edit By Way Of Post - Making another post with changes instead of editing a previous one
RQS - Random Question Stage, a common way to start games where one player puts forth a survey of questions for every player to answer
OMGUS - Oh My God, U Suck - Voting on the person who voted on you
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY) - The dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one
General Mafia Rules
1. Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from this mafia. You are allowed one death post that contains no information or commentary about the players.
2. You are not allowed to edit or remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means you must post again with the correct fixes.
3. Directly quoting or providing proof in any way of any PM sent by the host will result in an instant modkill and referral to the FGO.
4. You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host.
5. You are not allowed to request to be modkilled in the thread. If you PM the host requesting to be modkilled, the host must find a substitute or modkill you at the end of the phase.
6. All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed.
7. The host has the final say in any dispute. Do not impersonate the host.
8. Any flaming/trolling will not be tolerated.
9. Players' actions should be motivated by this game's events solely. You may look at past mafias to determine behaviors for better reads, but keep personal affairs out of the game.
10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense.
*Any use of the word PM by the host or FGO refers to any method of communication outside of the game thread and the blab chat.
Breaking any of the above rules may result in a modkill as determined by the host, or a ban from future mafias or forum games in general as determined by the Forum Game Organizer.
Post by: serprex on June 11, 2021, 07:35:27 pm
Game Rules
1. The game will start on Night 0, which will be followed by Day 1. You may post during the Night.
2. The Nightkill is factional and cannot be tracked or roleblocked, but still counts as an ability that targets.
3. If the lynch is tied, No Lynch will occur.
4. You are allowed to vote for No Lynch. You are also allowed to vote for a 24 hour extension. The votes are counted in a separate tally and you may only do one extension per phase.
5. Clearly declaring your intent to vote without using the proper format is a valid way to vote.
6. Town wins if all the Mafia are dead. Mafia wins if they achieve parity at the beginning of a Day.
7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 7 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any vote swapping trolling/juggling, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.
8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, or for any 2 Day phases, you will be modkilled.
9. NO COMMUNICATION IS ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD, EXCEPT FOR PADS PROVIDED BY THE HOST. You may communicate in the official Elements blab chat, but all relevant messages MUST be posted in this thread immediately afterward. Not following this rule will result in the chat being restricted.
10. I reserve the right to make any changes to the ruleset in order to maintain the integrity and balance of the game.
Primary Roles
False Gods
The False Gods start the game as a team. Their goal is to kill all of the Elementals. Each Night, they perform a Nightkill on an Elemental of their choosing. The Nightkill interrupts lower priority targets.
Elementals
The Elementals are the townsfolk of the game. Their goal is to kill all of the False Gods through lynching and the use of abilities.
Half Blood
The False Gods know who this is, but the Half Blood does not know who the False Gods are. The Half Blood counts as an Elemental for parity, but their goal is for the False Gods to win.
Secondary Roles
All Secondary abilities are activated by PMing your action to the host during the Night Phase. You may not target yourself with any ability unless specified. If an EoR ability fails, you may use it again on the next Night. If an OU ability fails, you may use it again.
Key:
ER - Every Round.
EoR - Every Other Round.
OU - One Use.
Passive - Triggers Automatically.
Information Roles
Golden Nymph - EoR
Precognition - Target a player. Reveal their Primary role to you. You cannot be protected from the Nightkill. Exactly one Elemental and zero False Gods or Half Bloods will start with this role.
Psion - ER
Psionic Link - Target a player. Their secondary abilities are revealed to you.
Dragonfly - ER
Fly on the Wall - Target a player. You see who they targeted and who targeted them this Night, regardless of priority. Only sees successful ability uses.
Firefly Queen - ER
Queen - Target a player. Generate a firefly that follows them. Your fireflies will report back to you each Night with all abilities that they saw successfully activated, but the cute little guys aren't smart enough to tell you whether an ability was used by your target or on your target. Fireflies are unaffected by all abilities that prevent targeting. If a firefly doesn't witness any abilities, it will wander near your target and be caught. The target will be notified if they catch a firefly. Fireflies cannot report higher priority activity on the first Night they follow a player, and will act as not seeing an ability if that's the only thing they would see.
Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. They can not be targeted by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities blocked.
Offensive Roles
If two roleblocking roles with the same priority target each other, both abilities fail. If only one targets the other, the ability of the one that was targeted fails.
Toadfish - OU
Inflate - Target a player. They are now Poisoned.
Otyugh - OU
Devour - Target a player. They die and your role is publicly revealed. If you eat a Toadfish or a player that was Poisoned, you become Poisoned.
Mind Flayer - ER
Psionic Wave - Target a player. They cannot use their ability this Night.
Arctic Squid - ER
Freeze - Target a player. They are now Frozen.
Ghost of the Past - ER
Obsession - Target a player. When you die, even if you no longer have this role, the player you targeted most recently has their secondary abilities replaced with Obsessed - ER - Activates automatically. You can't stop thinking about a dead man.
Defensive Roles
Guardian Angel - ER
Heal - Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and any further Offensive Roles that target them this Night. This ability fails if the target was Healed by a Guardian Angel on the previous Night.
Graboid - OU
Evolve - This Graboid role changes to Shrieker. As long as you have the Graboid role, you are Burrowed.
Shrieker - ER
Burrow - You are now Burrowed. You may not start the game as a Shrieker.
Unburrow - If you are Burrowed, you are no longer Burrowed.
Seraph - EoR
Divine Shield - You cannot be targeted this Night.
Phoenix - OU
Ash - This role automatically activates during the phase you die. If this ability is successful, you can talk after your death.
Anubis - EoR
Immortality - Target any player including yourself. They become Immaterial.
Green Nymph - ER
Adrenaline - Target any player including yourself. They gain Adrenaline.
Amber Nymph - EoR
Unstoppable - Target any player including yourself. They gain Momentum.
Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. They can not be targeted by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities blocked.
Role Roles
These roles do not disappear when you use them. When you die these roles will be revealed along with any others.
Crusader - OU
Endow - Target a player. You gain their secondary ability. Passive abilities trigger immediately.
Vulture - OU
Scavenger - Target a dead player. You gain their secondary role. If they had multiple roles, you gain the one listed last on their death.
"Fun" Roles
Fate Egg - Passive
Hatch - Activates automatically at the start of each Night. You receive a random secondary role other than Fate Egg in addition to your current roles, and you are disguised as that role if investigated or revealed. You will not receive the same role twice in a game. The role given by Hatch is replaced every time Hatch gives you a new role, but abilities given by Endow and Scavenger will stay.
Status Effects
You are notified when you gain a status effect, except for Poison which notifies you on the start of the Night in which you would die. Status effects are permanent, unless mentioned otherwise.
Burrowed - You may not vote or be targeted by any ability. Burrowed players do not count towards parity. Voting while Burrowed without Adrenaline will result in a modkill.
Poisoned - You die at the end of the first Night Phase after you were poisoned.
Frozen - The next time you attempt to use your ability, it fails and you are no longer Frozen.
Adrenaline - You ignore the Frozen status, you may vote while Burrowed, and you die immediately when Poisoned. If you have an EoR ability other than Precognition, you may use it as if it was an [ER] ability.
Immaterial - You may not be targeted by any secondary ability. Wears off after death.
Momentum - The activations and effects of your abilities can not be prevented or redirected, unless the target is Burrowed. However, being Frozen or Guarded can still block your ability. Momentum does not help abilities that would normally fail (no consecutive Heals). Ignores Immaterial.
Role Priority
Hatch [Fate Egg]
Evolve [Graboid]
Unburrow [Shrieker]
Psionic Wave [Mind Flayer]
Queen [Firefly Queen]
Divine Shield [Seraph]
Guard [Iridium Warden]
Freeze [Arctic Squid]
Unstoppable/Adrenaline [Amber Nymph/Green Nymph]
Immortality [Anubis]
Heal/Endow/Scavenger [Guardian Angel/Crusader/Vulture]
Obsession [Ghost of the Past]
Ash [Phoenix]
Nightkill
Inflate [Toadfish]
Devour [Otyugh]
Precognition/Psionic Link/Fly on the Wall/Golden Nymph/Psion/Dragonfly
Burrow [Shrieker]
Signup List
- MasterWalks
- Naii_the_Baf
- worldwideweb3
- Linkcat
- PlayerOa
- shockcannon
- andretimpa
- iancudorinmarian
- kaempfer13
- mathman101
- TheonlyrealBeef
- Annele
- RootRanger
Signups have ended.
Night 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-76-by-serprex/msg1305158/#msg1305158)
Day 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-76-by-serprex/msg1305180/#msg1305180)
Post by: MasterWalks on June 11, 2021, 07:39:45 pm
In
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 11, 2021, 07:43:29 pm
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 11, 2021, 08:33:08 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 11, 2021, 10:59:39 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on June 11, 2021, 11:13:54 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2021, 01:53:29 am
Post by: andretimpa on June 12, 2021, 02:39:35 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 12, 2021, 07:15:27 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 12, 2021, 12:40:07 pm
Post by: mathman101 on June 13, 2021, 10:09:35 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 15, 2021, 12:23:49 pm
Post by: serprex on June 16, 2021, 09:55:13 pm
Post by: Annele on June 17, 2021, 12:14:02 pm
Post by: RootRanger on June 18, 2021, 12:57:37 am
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 20, 2021, 10:33:05 pm
Post by: serprex on June 20, 2021, 11:23:27 pm
There are 2 False Gods, 1 Half Blood, & 10 Elementals. Please note that secondary roles are independent of alignment/primary role.
Night 0 has concluded.
(I kind of jumped the gun by an hour but didn't notice until I'd already rolled everyone & I don't feel like doing that & messaging you all again just because one person decided to wait until the final hour to post a 2 letter word)
Post by: andretimpa on June 21, 2021, 12:05:38 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 21, 2021, 12:30:11 am
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 21, 2021, 01:39:10 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 21, 2021, 03:57:32 am
Post by: serprex on June 21, 2021, 04:32:03 am
Post by: PlayerOa on June 21, 2021, 05:45:32 am
The deadline is about 2am local time for me, so here is an advance warning that I will rarely be around close to deadline.Make it two.
I chose 0utc because 0utc. I can go with anything >=20utc. Will change if there's two thirds majority agreeing at end of any night phaseTeam 20UTC rise up!
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 21, 2021, 06:19:19 am
That would work.The deadline is about 2am local time for me, so here is an advance warning that I will rarely be around close to deadline.Make it two.I chose 0utc because 0utc. I can go with anything >=20utc. Will change if there's two thirds majority agreeing at end of any night phaseTeam 20UTC rise up!
Post by: Linkcat on June 21, 2021, 07:01:50 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 21, 2021, 08:43:07 am
Post by: PlayerOa on June 21, 2021, 08:52:56 am
venting is kinda sus, nglSo is a european not wanting to move EoD :angry:
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 21, 2021, 08:56:16 am
Un-sus-ing myself by +1'ing thisThat would work.The deadline is about 2am local time for me, so here is an advance warning that I will rarely be around close to deadline.Make it two.I chose 0utc because 0utc. I can go with anything >=20utc. Will change if there's two thirds majority agreeing at end of any night phaseTeam 20UTC rise up!
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 21, 2021, 10:49:01 am
Friday I should be back in full force.
Post by: serprex on June 21, 2021, 11:29:27 am
Come on guys, has it been so long since our last mafia that I have to remind you how to hold a vote?
Post by: andretimpa on June 21, 2021, 11:56:07 am
Post by: PlayerOa on June 21, 2021, 01:20:47 pm
20 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, PlayerOa, iancudorinmarian«5. Clearly declaring your intent to vote without using the proper format is a valid way to vote.» :-*
Come on guys, has it been so long since our last mafia that I have to remind you how to hold a vote?
20 (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, PlayerOa, iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
Anyhow, this game I’m luckily town again, AMA!
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 21, 2021, 01:49:28 pm
Post by: Annele on June 21, 2021, 02:19:47 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 21, 2021, 02:59:37 pm
I would vote for keeping the deadline as it is - it'd be nice to be awake for a deadline for once! But there's not much point in me being awake if no one else is lol, so I support whatever deadline time is chosen
If I got it right 20 utc would be 8am for you. Maybe we can compromise with 21?
Post by: RootRanger on June 21, 2021, 05:19:02 pm
20:08:34.286 (1) - RootRanger
I'm amused by the idea of a finite number of players voting on an infinite number of options. And rounding errors.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 21, 2021, 05:22:14 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 21, 2021, 05:34:21 pm
20 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, PlayerOa, iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf
20:08:34.286 (1) - RootRanger
22 (1) - MasterNoob
Post by: mathman101 on June 21, 2021, 05:46:28 pm
20 (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, PlayerOa, iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf
20:08:34.286 (1) - RootRanger
22 (1) - MasterNoob
03:33:33 GMT (1) - mathman
High chance I'm not gonna be on at deadline consistently due to RL whatever time, so let's do something arbitrary. :P
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 21, 2021, 06:21:45 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 21, 2021, 08:36:01 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 21, 2021, 09:16:53 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 21, 2021, 09:59:38 pm
Question for serp— does mafia know the halfblood's role?
Post by: serprex on June 21, 2021, 10:04:27 pm
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Question for serp— does mafia know the halfblood's role?
No
Post by: Linkcat on June 21, 2021, 11:59:15 pm
So if that does happen, just lynch w3. It's a win-win situation.
Post by: serprex on June 22, 2021, 12:00:42 am
kaempfer13 was nightkilled. He was an Elemental & an Amber Nymph
There are 2 False Gods, 1 Half Blood, & 9 Elementals. Please note that secondary roles are independent of alignment/primary role.
Sunset.
Post by: Linkcat on June 22, 2021, 12:06:37 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 22, 2021, 12:36:07 am
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
You just want someone entertaining with you in pad when you inevitably get Lynched/NK'd
The fact Kae got NK'd on N0 makes me believe shock is on mafia's team. Shock desires to best Kae in every aspect on this forum. However, shock is pretty useful if he is on Mafia side, cuz we all know he will bus whenever he can. I'll give into Links desire for afterlife entertainment.
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
Post by: MasterWalks on June 22, 2021, 12:37:20 am
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
Post by: Annele on June 22, 2021, 01:03:03 am
I would vote for keeping the deadline as it is - it'd be nice to be awake for a deadline for once! But there's not much point in me being awake if no one else is lol, so I support whatever deadline time is chosen
If I got it right 20 utc would be 8am for you. Maybe we can compromise with 21?
I actually live in Australia now, so I'm 2 hours behind that, but thanks anyways!
www3 is just the default bandwagon at the start of mafia games, right?
Post by: Linkcat on June 22, 2021, 01:44:47 am
Kae dying actually makes shock lean town, hard to see him giving up the chance beat him with logic once again.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 22, 2021, 02:39:38 am
The rules are too long for me to read, but the Half Blood seems like an interesting addition. So does the half-blood just vote a townie to murder without knowing what the other actual mafia is voting? Also, if we nymphed the HB, do we immediately lynch them or keep them around since they don't count towards parity? They can still kill so I say we should kill on sight if we did nymph a HB.
Halfblood is essentially a town who wants to solve but not conclude, or at least, not share any conclusions. They're basically useless to town. I don't think they should be lynched on sight given they do count as town but then there's whether they could actually harm town with their role or not— if we do end up finding them, we might want to at least have a psion check on them.
Question for serp— does mafia know the halfblood's role?
Incidentally, should the Half Blood live long enough that the number of Elementals equals the number of False Gods, we get a really funny situation where elementals will want to try convincing the Half Blood they are False Gods.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 22, 2021, 02:43:24 am
EBWOPTime for competing wagons and a bit of pressure.
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
mathman101 (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Post by: RootRanger on June 22, 2021, 03:23:30 am
Also, it's been a couple years, so what's the meta on no-lynches? As in, is there an established theory for why you should or should not do it, esp if there's no hard info?
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
mathman101 (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (1) - RootRanger
Post by: Linkcat on June 22, 2021, 03:42:03 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 22, 2021, 04:00:55 am
@Torb I hope it's you next and not me, nothing personal.
Post by: shockcannon on June 22, 2021, 04:28:15 am
Post by: RootRanger on June 22, 2021, 04:33:11 am
Btw if I die and I'm Golden Nymph, my check is andre as mafia.So if you're not GN, then andre is just a name you chose randomly yeah? Is it expected for everyone else to provide a name too to give the GN cover
Post by: RootRanger on June 22, 2021, 04:38:39 am
I'll reveal my role and my N1 action if the person who visited me last night comes forward.Not a fan of this personally bc every time someone reveals their role, the chance of a given player being a high-value role like Golden Nymph goes from 1/N to 1/(N-1). But I'll hear you out if you think it's still the right call
Post by: Linkcat on June 22, 2021, 06:02:21 am
I would encourage it.Btw if I die and I'm Golden Nymph, my check is andre as mafia.So if you're not GN, then andre is just a name you chose randomly yeah? Is it expected for everyone else to provide a name too to give the GN cover
Post by: Annele on June 22, 2021, 10:15:45 am
Half Blood is kill on sight. If you Precog them don't claim, just breadcrumb it.
I agree with this. Unless we can be certain that the halfblood doesn't have a role that would be detrimental to the town, the only reason not to remove that threat immediately is if there's a better target (ie a False God) we know of as well. It's not like the FG will nightkill them, so they're no use in being buffer for the town. Obv it's not worth revealing GN for, but if we do find out I do think we should kill on sight
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 22, 2021, 12:12:46 pm
Nice boat.
Post by: andretimpa on June 22, 2021, 01:23:23 pm
Shock we all know you targeted kaempfer last night so there's no point in claiming because you didn't do anything.I would encourage it.Btw if I die and I'm Golden Nymph, my check is andre as mafia.So if you're not GN, then andre is just a name you chose randomly yeah? Is it expected for everyone else to provide a name too to give the GN cover
This still gives mafia information about who the GN can be. Since they know all alignments, every time someone gets it wrong, that's a name crossed on their list. Unless we go galaxy brain and allow GN to lie and rely on actual crumbs about the correct reads.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 22, 2021, 02:18:36 pm
mathman101 (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - iancudorinmarian
I saw him venting. I was with Linkcat, doing the card swiping task.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 22, 2021, 02:20:57 pm
mathman101 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - iancudorinmarian
Pushing to post + tying wagons.
Post by: andretimpa on June 22, 2021, 03:51:39 pm
mathman101 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
Tying up the shock train too.
Post by: PlayerOa on June 22, 2021, 05:59:16 pm
Kill on sight? To me this is 100% dependant on the current situation - tracking down the mafia is what wins us the game. There's only so much harm a HB can do to warrant a sure-kill on the cost of a potential mafia - at least that's how it shapes out to me.Half Blood is kill on sight. If you Precog them don't claim, just breadcrumb it.
I agree with this. Unless we can be certain that the halfblood doesn't have a role that would be detrimental to the town, the only reason not to remove that threat immediately is if there's a better target (ie a False God) we know of as well. It's not like the FG will nightkill them, so they're no use in being buffer for the town. Obv it's not worth revealing GN for, but if we do find out I do think we should kill on sight
Post by: Linkcat on June 22, 2021, 09:35:11 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 22, 2021, 09:44:49 pm
Violets are blue
If I had to guess
Linkcat's blood is half mountain dew
Post by: Linkcat on June 22, 2021, 10:09:43 pm
Shock we all know you targeted kaempfer last night so there's no point in claiming because you didn't do anything.I would encourage it.Btw if I die and I'm Golden Nymph, my check is andre as mafia.So if you're not GN, then andre is just a name you chose randomly yeah? Is it expected for everyone else to provide a name too to give the GN cover
This still gives mafia information about who the GN can be. Since they know all alignments, every time someone gets it wrong, that's a name crossed on their list. Unless we go galaxy brain and allow GN to lie and rely on actual crumbs about the correct reads.
This is only for people who are too lazy to breadcrumb.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 22, 2021, 10:22:24 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 22, 2021, 10:51:02 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 23, 2021, 06:04:41 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 23, 2021, 06:45:06 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 23, 2021, 06:49:13 am
TorB sucks as STANDIN
Sleeping is quite fun
No crimes to have a hand in
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 23, 2021, 07:06:05 am
Which is a long way of saying: I'm bored, someone do something.Well yeah. Deadline is still 2am local time for me, I'd rather people didn't wait too long and have me miss all the fun when I'm sleeping. :silly:
Post by: Linkcat on June 23, 2021, 07:46:26 am
Post by: PlayerOa on June 23, 2021, 07:58:53 am
mathman101 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
Well then, I guess someone’ll respond to a train taking the lead.
Post by: Linkcat on June 23, 2021, 08:50:42 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 23, 2021, 10:29:51 am
Post by: PlayerOa on June 23, 2021, 10:50:14 am
Is lynching players when they're asleep still the meta?There’s a distinct difference between sleeping 8 hours and 48 hours :-X
Post by: Linkcat on June 23, 2021, 10:50:42 am
Post by: mathman101 on June 23, 2021, 02:21:50 pm
Is lynching players when they're asleep still the meta?There’s a distinct difference between sleeping 8 hours and 48 hours :-X
Not sleeping 48hrs, just RL busy and haven't made it onto internet until now.
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman
mathman101 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
Mainly to save my skin bumping one of the 2votes up to 3.
Choose w3 over shock as he only had 1 post saying he is busy for 19hrs. Shock while being his annoying self with his posts, I'm guessing those weird rhyming posts are some form of breadcrumb that I haven't figured out yet. Or maybe he is just shitposting and I'm overlooking into it.
I'll try to be back online closer to deadline if work allows me a break. Willing to switch my vote of w3 if he provides a reason, and it doesn't leave me with most votes.
Post by: PlayerOa on June 23, 2021, 03:04:41 pm
Yeah, no worries and no criticism meant. :)Is lynching players when they're asleep still the meta?There’s a distinct difference between sleeping 8 hours and 48 hours :-X
Not sleeping 48hrs, just RL busy and haven't made it onto internet until now.
Post by: Linkcat on June 23, 2021, 03:34:56 pm
Post by: RootRanger on June 23, 2021, 06:00:12 pm
This still gives mafia information about who the GN can be. Since they know all alignments, every time someone gets it wrong, that's a name crossed on their list. Unless we go galaxy brain and allow GN to lie and rely on actual crumbs about the correct reads.That's true, but it's information they can't really act on without risk of revealing their own members. Consider the example where Player A correctly name drops Player B as mafia. At this point, either Player A has chosen a mafia member randomly, or Player A is the GN and identified an actual mafia member. The former is actually a lot more likely, as long as there are a few players providing names in addition to the GN themself. If mafia acts on this information and nightkills Player A, the civs can use this result to lynch Player B. Mafia ends up making a 1-for-1 trade which they definitely cannot afford to make.
It doesn't strictly need to be the statement "If I die and I'm GN...". That information can be conveyed through votes as well - this is why I think a civ with no information would actually be slightly better off picking a random target rather than just joining the biggest bandwagon. I'm sure this is common sense to the really advanced players here, but I've played a few mafias and am just now fully understanding this so I think it's important to share.
This is essentially a really powerful halfway point between the GN 100% hiding and 100% revealing. The former provides no information to the civs, and the latter gets the GN killed.
Damn, Root, maybe we shouldn't have killed kaempfer. It looks like shock lost his motivation and the game's just not as fun this way.Bruh lmao
Post by: shockcannon on June 23, 2021, 06:55:50 pm
A date with a thief I do hunt
Important things I wish to find
Before I weave together words more blunt
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 23, 2021, 07:03:27 pm
mathman101 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Just got back home from seeing patients all day. Pls dont kill me, I am a real life hero q.q
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 23, 2021, 07:12:07 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 23, 2021, 07:13:18 pm
This still gives mafia information about who the GN can be. Since they know all alignments, every time someone gets it wrong, that's a name crossed on their list. Unless we go galaxy brain and allow GN to lie and rely on actual crumbs about the correct reads.That's true, but it's information they can't really act on without risk of revealing their own members. Consider the example where Player A correctly name drops Player B as mafia. At this point, either Player A has chosen a mafia member randomly, or Player A is the GN and identified an actual mafia member. The former is actually a lot more likely, as long as there are a few players providing names in addition to the GN themself. If mafia acts on this information and nightkills Player A, the civs can use this result to lynch Player B. Mafia ends up making a 1-for-1 trade which they definitely cannot afford to make.
It doesn't strictly need to be the statement "If I die and I'm GN...". That information can be conveyed through votes as well - this is why I think a civ with no information would actually be slightly better off picking a random target rather than just joining the biggest bandwagon. I'm sure this is common sense to the really advanced players here, but I've played a few mafias and am just now fully understanding this so I think it's important to share.
This is essentially a really powerful halfway point between the GN 100% hiding and 100% revealing. The former provides no information to the civs, and the latter gets the GN killed.
This in mind, it would possibly be the "best" strategy for this to have everyone point out a single, unique person. All mafia members are guaranteed to be named, and the GN gets to confirm someone without revealing themselves. When we find out who GN is we know who's safe and who's not.
We could possibly set up who "checks" who during the night phases, including phases where GN is on cooldown. However, it's a huge risk if Damsel, Warden or FFQ are mafia, so I'm not entirely on board with this.
Having everyone pretend to be GN checking someone at their own discretion would be better to avoid said risk, and simply have everyone name a unique person during day phases, although it could be a problem if someone names GN's check before they do. It's still not entirely reliable because andre's right in that it could potentially cross out 5 possibilities every two nights. In this case, both GN skipping a phase and doing this every night should throw off mafia somewhat.
I'm still not entirely convinced this is the way to go with GN, but if we do go that way, these are my thoughts.
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman
mathman101 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Let's change tied wagons. Not sure if shock's just shitposting or if he's talking in riddles.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 23, 2021, 07:36:37 pm
[...]It's still not entirely reliable because andre's right in that it could potentially cross out 6 possibilities every two nights.[...]
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 23, 2021, 07:43:57 pm
What even is that vote.
"a civ with no information would actually be slightly better off picking a random target rather than just joining the biggest bandwagon. I'm sure this is common sense to the really advanced players here"
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 23, 2021, 07:57:43 pm
I'd rather understand a strategy than go along with it, just because someone tells me it's for smart or advanced players or some such.
Also, afaik, the quote refers to GN targets, not lynch targets.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 23, 2021, 07:58:52 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 23, 2021, 08:01:58 pm
What even is that vote.
"a civ with no information would actually be slightly better off picking a random target rather than just joining the biggest bandwagon. I'm sure this is common sense to the really advanced players here"
Implying you are good :P
About the GN thing I think that making red and green claims in the same proportion as current town/mafia players (and taking care to avoid too many contradictory claims) would optimize the information while still mitigating the risk. (gotta double check the odds tbh but it looks sound to me)
Post by: PlayerOa on June 23, 2021, 09:31:59 pm
Doesn’t this plan like.. collapse if someone claims GN target before GN?This still gives mafia information about who the GN can be. Since they know all alignments, every time someone gets it wrong, that's a name crossed on their list. Unless we go galaxy brain and allow GN to lie and rely on actual crumbs about the correct reads.That's true, but it's information they can't really act on without risk of revealing their own members. Consider the example where Player A correctly name drops Player B as mafia. At this point, either Player A has chosen a mafia member randomly, or Player A is the GN and identified an actual mafia member. The former is actually a lot more likely, as long as there are a few players providing names in addition to the GN themself. If mafia acts on this information and nightkills Player A, the civs can use this result to lynch Player B. Mafia ends up making a 1-for-1 trade which they definitely cannot afford to make.
It doesn't strictly need to be the statement "If I die and I'm GN...". That information can be conveyed through votes as well - this is why I think a civ with no information would actually be slightly better off picking a random target rather than just joining the biggest bandwagon. I'm sure this is common sense to the really advanced players here, but I've played a few mafias and am just now fully understanding this so I think it's important to share.
This is essentially a really powerful halfway point between the GN 100% hiding and 100% revealing. The former provides no information to the civs, and the latter gets the GN killed.
This in mind, it would possibly be the "best" strategy for this to have everyone point out a single, unique person. All mafia members are guaranteed to be named, and the GN gets to confirm someone without revealing themselves. When we find out who GN is we know who's safe and who's not.
We could possibly set up who "checks" who during the night phases, including phases where GN is on cooldown. However, it's a huge risk if Damsel, Warden or FFQ are mafia, so I'm not entirely on board with this.
Having everyone pretend to be GN checking someone at their own discretion would be better to avoid said risk, and simply have everyone name a unique person during day phases, although it could be a problem if someone names GN's check before they do. It's still not entirely reliable because andre's right in that it could potentially cross out 5 possibilities every two nights. In this case, both GN skipping a phase and doing this every night should throw off mafia somewhat.
I'm still not entirely convinced this is the way to go with GN, but if we do go that way, these are my thoughts.
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman
mathman101 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Let's change tied wagons. Not sure if shock's just shitposting or if he's talking in riddles.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 23, 2021, 09:52:35 pm
Having everyone pretend to be GN checking someone at their own discretion would be better to avoid said risk, and simply have everyone name a unique person during day phases, although it could be a problem if someone names GN's check before they do. It's still not entirely reliable because andre's right in that it could potentially cross out 5 possibilities every two nights. In this case, both GN skipping a phase and doing this every night should throw off mafia somewhat.
I'm aware. GN should try to claim early when they're revealing their check, just in case, although mafia can just target consistent early posters.
Post by: PlayerOa on June 23, 2021, 09:55:08 pm
Oops, that one slipped right through me. My bad!Having everyone pretend to be GN checking someone at their own discretion would be better to avoid said risk, and simply have everyone name a unique person during day phases, although it could be a problem if someone names GN's check before they do. It's still not entirely reliable because andre's right in that it could potentially cross out 5 possibilities every two nights. In this case, both GN skipping a phase and doing this every night should throw off mafia somewhat.
I'm aware. GN should try to claim early when they're revealing their check, just in case, although mafia can just target consistent early posters.
Anyway, I’m going to sleep now. Guess I’m sticking my vote - fingers crossed, don’t do anything stupid guys :D
Post by: RootRanger on June 23, 2021, 10:36:18 pm
So basically, have all of town throw in random votes, hope rng isn't a b and actively invite mafia to manipulate voting? Then derive mafia from the manipulation afterwards.
I'd rather understand a strategy than go along with it, just because someone tells me it's for smart or advanced players or some such.
Also, afaik, the quote refers to GN targets, not lynch targets.
Basically, the point is for every player to convey information, either through their vote, or through their post, or through (god forbid) breadcrumbs. For most players, this will be pure noise, but the GN will have actual information to provide. If the GN provides information after every use of their ability, they don't risk dying before getting the chance to dump the information they have. In other words, your votes and reads (even if they are random) provide cover for the GN to convey actual information. Whereas, if we were to adopt a bandwagon meta and all vote/target the same person, the GN would have no opportunity to convey their info without sticking out to the mafia as the only player with info.
Implying you are good :P
About the GN thing I think that making red and green claims in the same proportion as current town/mafia players (and taking care to avoid too many contradictory claims) would optimize the information while still mitigating the risk. (gotta double check the odds tbh but it looks sound to me)
Yeah, I think a mix of mafia and civ claims would be good.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 23, 2021, 11:46:36 pm
worldwideweb3 (4) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman, TheonlyrealBeef
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
So basically, have all of town throw in random votes, hope rng isn't a b and actively invite mafia to manipulate voting? Then derive mafia from the manipulation afterwards.
I'd rather understand a strategy than go along with it, just because someone tells me it's for smart or advanced players or some such.
Also, afaik, the quote refers to GN targets, not lynch targets.
Basically, the point is for every player to convey information, either through their vote, or through their post, or through (god forbid) breadcrumbs. For most players, this will be pure noise, but the GN will have actual information to provide. If the GN provides information after every use of their ability, they don't risk dying before getting the chance to dump the information they have. In other words, your votes and reads (even if they are random) provide cover for the GN to convey actual information. Whereas, if we were to adopt a bandwagon meta and all vote/target the same person, the GN would have no opportunity to convey their info without sticking out to the mafia as the only player with info.Implying you are good :P
About the GN thing I think that making red and green claims in the same proportion as current town/mafia players (and taking care to avoid too many contradictory claims) would optimize the information while still mitigating the risk. (gotta double check the odds tbh but it looks sound to me)
Yeah, I think a mix of mafia and civ claims would be good.
Post by: shockcannon on June 23, 2021, 11:49:41 pm
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (4) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, shockcannon
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 23, 2021, 11:51:46 pm
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (5) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, shockcannon, TheonlyrealBeef
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Post by: shockcannon on June 23, 2021, 11:53:08 pm
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (4) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 23, 2021, 11:53:41 pm
Tiebreakers ftw. I kinda set my alarm for this... x.x
worldwideweb3 (4) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman, TheonlyrealBeef
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3That's nice and all, but it felt like w3 copy/pasted a section out of context to defend his terrible vote. My post explains my interpretation of the result of using only lynch votes for it, especially when sticking to that vote. Better to "tag" the suspect with your first vote, then switch later?So basically, have all of town throw in random votes, hope rng isn't a b and actively invite mafia to manipulate voting? Then derive mafia from the manipulation afterwards.
I'd rather understand a strategy than go along with it, just because someone tells me it's for smart or advanced players or some such.
Also, afaik, the quote refers to GN targets, not lynch targets.
Basically, the point is for every player to convey information, either through their vote, or through their post, or through (god forbid) breadcrumbs. For most players, this will be pure noise, but the GN will have actual information to provide. If the GN provides information after every use of their ability, they don't risk dying before getting the chance to dump the information they have. In other words, your votes and reads (even if they are random) provide cover for the GN to convey actual information. Whereas, if we were to adopt a bandwagon meta and all vote/target the same person, the GN would have no opportunity to convey their info without sticking out to the mafia as the only player with info.Implying you are good :P
About the GN thing I think that making red and green claims in the same proportion as current town/mafia players (and taking care to avoid too many contradictory claims) would optimize the information while still mitigating the risk. (gotta double check the odds tbh but it looks sound to me)
Yeah, I think a mix of mafia and civ claims would be good.
If I literally have 0 info, a random vote is going to be better than bandwagoning unless there’s some info out there from someone. I don’t have a reason to vote anyone in particular, we only
Have one day of reads so it’s not as if you can study interactions and posts either, esp as I haven’t had time to this phase.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 23, 2021, 11:55:48 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 23, 2021, 11:56:16 pm
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (5) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, shockcannon, MasterNoob
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Shock voted himself so it's safe to assume if his bad poetry breadcrumbs hold any value, he has put all the info he has into them.
w3 is Oty, Warden, or toadfish
I'm willing to believe that Linkcat is half-blood as shock implied, only because it doesn't change all that much in the long run, and if Link is town, he will be NK'd soon anyways.
TORB is really the only one who has raised any sort of sus for me. My impression of him is he is cold and calculated, someone I don't see requesting we shotgun blast the town in hopes we hit a mafia.
Post by: shockcannon on June 23, 2021, 11:57:59 pm
Post by: mathman101 on June 23, 2021, 11:58:25 pm
It looks like you did it twice? Or was that unintentional?
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 23, 2021, 11:58:52 pm
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, mathman, shockcannon
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (5) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterNoob
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Post by: andretimpa on June 23, 2021, 11:59:22 pm
Shock, is there a reason why you are pushing for a tie to force the no lynch?
It looks like you did it twice? Or was that unintentional?
He advocates no lynch in D1 for some games
Post by: MasterWalks on June 23, 2021, 11:59:38 pm
i have info on torb. Dont kill me.
If you have info on Torb, then all of the poems are misinformation since they almost all reference a person. Give info now before death, because death comes either way
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 24, 2021, 12:01:34 am
My impression of him is he is cold and calculated, someone I don't see requesting we shotgun blast the town in hopes we hit a mafia.I mean, it's basically what we're doing right now by not going for no lynch? Interested in more details.
Post by: andretimpa on June 24, 2021, 12:02:58 am
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (4) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf, shockcannon, MasterNoob
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
@shock Elaborate or I'm moving back to you
Post by: MasterWalks on June 24, 2021, 12:03:31 am
My impression of him is he is cold and calculated, someone I don't see requesting we shotgun blast the town in hopes we hit a mafia.I mean, it's basically what we're doing right now by not going for no lynch? Interested in more details.
Your supposed to just do it, not put it into words. Like actual gambling. You don't say your going to the casino to probably lose money, you just say your going to the casino.
Post by: shockcannon on June 24, 2021, 12:03:44 am
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 24, 2021, 12:03:57 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 24, 2021, 12:04:19 am
Post by: andretimpa on June 24, 2021, 12:04:31 am
I mean do you want me to give info? It might help narrow down GN.
killing you will also narrow down GN
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 24, 2021, 12:05:00 am
worldwideweb3 (4) - Linkcat, mathman, TheonlyrealBeef, andretimpa
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (4) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf, shockcannon, MasterNoob
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
@shock Elaborate or I'm moving back to you
Wrong votes btw. Torb on shock and shock on me
Post by: shockcannon on June 24, 2021, 12:05:18 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 24, 2021, 12:06:59 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 24, 2021, 12:07:15 am
shock speaks truth.
Post by: serprex on June 24, 2021, 12:07:22 am
@serp does dragonfly or firefly see NK targeting?
No
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 24, 2021, 12:08:32 am
Alright. andre asked for. If you think this is a bad play because it reveals too much then look towards andre not me. TorB did not visit anyone last night.
This doesn’t really clear anything except telling us you (and possibly torb) arent GN…
Post by: andretimpa on June 24, 2021, 12:08:45 am
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (5) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterNoob
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Post by: mathman101 on June 24, 2021, 12:09:24 am
Sorry shock, but you should have talked earlier if you had info. Last minute is too late.
All that really tells us is he either has a OU and saving it, or he was afk last night, or forgot. Or that you and torn are both Mafia, but that would be too obvious and a ballsy play.
Post by: andretimpa on June 24, 2021, 12:10:15 am
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, shockcannon
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (6) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterNoob, mathman
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Post by: MasterWalks on June 24, 2021, 12:10:22 am
Alright. andre asked for. If you think this is a bad play because it reveals too much then look towards andre not me. TorB did not visit anyone last night.
That's why I tend to avoid casinos 8-)
shock speaks truth.
This doesn't mean Torb is innocent, just means he isn't GN. Probably isn't an info gathering role or divine shield either. Definitely not burrowed. Leaves only offence role. If someone gets eaten that is town, kill TORB
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 24, 2021, 12:12:16 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 24, 2021, 12:12:55 am
Post by: RootRanger on June 24, 2021, 12:16:58 am
Yup it was just a bad play lolAlright. andre asked for. If you think this is a bad play because it reveals too much then look towards andre not me. TorB did not visit anyone last night.
This doesn’t really clear anything except telling us you (and possibly torb) arent GN…
Post by: shockcannon on June 24, 2021, 12:18:49 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 24, 2021, 12:20:50 am
I mean do you want me to give info? It might help narrow down GN.
I mean do you want me to give info? It might help narrow down GN.
killing you will also narrow down GN
Post by: MasterWalks on June 24, 2021, 12:21:04 am
Move my vote onto shock please. Sorry on mobile.Leave it to the Canadian to apologize multiple times in one post :P
Sorry shock, but you should have talked earlier if you had info. Last minute is too late.
All that really tells us is he either has a OU and saving it, or he was afk last night, or forgot. Or that you and torn are both Mafia, but that would be too obvious and a ballsy play.
TORB didn't forget. Doubtful he was AFK. Most of us are like me and have been waiting for this mafia anxiously. I don't see anyone being too AFK unless they are you and disappear into a black hole at the worst time.
Doesn't have to be a OU role either. Warden has been heavily frowned upon the last several games. Using it causes suspicion. He said "I'm not Toadfish (anymore)". Unless someone can verify he was toadfish in a previous game, this is FateEgg soft claim
Post by: shockcannon on June 24, 2021, 12:22:20 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 24, 2021, 12:23:40 am
Post by: serprex on June 24, 2021, 12:24:18 am
shockcannon was lynched.
He was an Elemental & a Psion.
Now he can have fun in the deadpad.
Maybe if you kill all the Americans you can change the deadline with 8 votes.
There are 2 False Gods, 1 Half Blood, & 8 Elementals. Please note that secondary roles are independent of alignment/primary role.
Sunrise.
PS y'all should've stopped posting around ~00:17, consider yourself all warned. Twice.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 24, 2021, 12:26:44 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 24, 2021, 12:29:48 am
Quote from: serprex
PS y'all should've stopped posting around ~00:17, consider yourself all warned. Twice.You made me read the entire rules finally and I don't see anything about that. What rule is this? Other hosts usually put up a "night has ended, results coming soon" when they want us to stop.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 24, 2021, 12:31:37 am
Post by: serprex on June 24, 2021, 12:36:04 am
Quote from: serprexPS y'all should've stopped posting around ~00:17, consider yourself all warned. Twice.You made me read the entire rules finally and I don't see anything about that. What rule is this? Other hosts usually put up a "night has ended, results coming soon" when they want us to stop.
Yeah maybe I should post, but then I'm a couple minutes late because I'm watching This is 40 rather than spamming F5 on this thread, & in that time shock decides to spill his guts because he knows he's dead
But hey, I'll count this as a victory in that I got you to read the rules. The most important rule is 10. I reserve the right to make any changes to the ruleset in order to maintain the integrity and balance of the game. Remember Wyand calling me out as a crazy power tripping WM? I'm also a crazy power tripping moderator
tl;dr don't argue with the moderator, have fun
Post by: Linkcat on June 24, 2021, 01:14:16 am
Wake me up once we've lynched a European.
Damn guys, you really lynched shock D1 again. And you can't even blame me this time.
Post by: Linkcat on June 24, 2021, 01:34:42 am
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman
mathman101 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Just got back home from seeing patients all day. Pls dont kill me, I am a real life hero q.q
You're a dentist, doesn't count.
Will give actual thoughts when I get home.
Post by: Linkcat on June 24, 2021, 06:42:37 am
There are two things i want to bring attention to, though. The first is Oa's vote on math. This was the first vote that put someone to 3, and in my mind was the one that solidified the trains for the day as it caused math to put a self-pres on w3. It's Day 1 random voting so you can't put too much stock into it, but that's what I saw. The second thing is andre. Right at the deadline, shock was looking like the lynch with a 2 vote lead, but when shock said he had info, andre tied it up to pressure him to reveal it. After he did, andre switched right back to seal the lynch. The only thing this accomplished was to clear Torb from GN, which is pretty helpful for mafia to know because he's a high priority NK target. One interesting thing about this is that when andre switched his vote back, rather than changing it like normal, he copied the earlier vote instead, so his name only appears as the second vote in the final votecount instead of the hammer that it was. Maybe intentional, maybe just lazy. Either way, this is where I'm going to start looking tomorrow, I'm inclined to believe that all three trains yesterday were town.
Post by: PlayerOa on June 24, 2021, 07:43:08 am
Post by: andretimpa on June 24, 2021, 11:50:13 am
-w3 pointed out that shock/torb were switched, which was a mistake from where I copied to edit my vote tying it.
-That vote was done hastly, as there was less than a minute before NL passed.
I fully admit that I was the hammer and that it was a bad call. Maybe I should have made it clearer to shock that if he didn't had anything super useful to say it'd be better to die with it.
Post by: andretimpa on June 24, 2021, 11:54:28 am
The bad call I mean was putting that much presure on him
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 24, 2021, 03:05:08 pm
My belief is that vote juggling EOD, especially D1, is nothing but a huge advantage for mafia as they can O R C H E S T R A T E the lynch with ease. That’s why I wanted a train to get «early» traction, in which my percieved probability of hitting mafia is higher.I missed this word so much :'(
Post by: Linkcat on June 24, 2021, 03:13:15 pm
Post by: serprex on June 24, 2021, 03:15:05 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/C6jRct4.png)
shame on you for not posting this already
shame on you for not posting this already
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 24, 2021, 08:08:58 pm
Iancu, give me your thoughts on what happened yesterday.Bold of you to assume I'm paying any attention.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 24, 2021, 09:12:22 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 25, 2021, 12:00:13 am
Post by: serprex on June 25, 2021, 12:03:07 am
PlayerOa was nightkilled. He was an Elemental & a Golden Nymph
There are 2 False Gods, 1 Half Blood, & 7 Elementals. Please note that secondary roles are independent of alignment/primary role.
Sunrise.
Post by: Linkcat on June 25, 2021, 12:03:50 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 25, 2021, 12:07:05 am
andretimpa (1) - Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on June 25, 2021, 12:09:34 am
I have some interesting info. I need another night or 2 to really piece it together. Can I request someone to post voting logs? Like kaempfer would usually do. I'm on mobile so too hard.
I'll start votes.
andretimpa (1) - MasterNoob
Andre giving shock mercy to spill his guys, then hoping back on him after the info was spilled doesn't sit well with me. Not morally, but strategically. I think if he did this just to narrow down GN is pretty galaxy brain, or at least planet brained.
Did Oa soft claim gn at all? Or did mafia use info role to discover?
Post by: MasterWalks on June 25, 2021, 12:10:07 am
Frik ur too fast
Post by: Linkcat on June 25, 2021, 12:22:46 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 25, 2021, 01:33:18 am
The whole GN discussion is something I was wary of, since I was afraid the GN might reveal itself somehow. But I couldn't name a concrete counterargument. Looking at the below post in retrospect:
Doesn’t this plan like.. collapse if someone claims GN target before GN?It definitely seems like an objection the actual GN would come up with.
As a potential explanation of how mafia found GN this quickly. Then again, narrowing down suspects one way or another -like revealing info on roles- carries some blame as well.
I'll try coming up with a reads list and -unless someone beats me to it- lynch log in a few hours. Will cast lynch vote after reads.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 25, 2021, 02:11:57 am
Doesn’t this plan like.. collapse if someone claims GN target before GN?It definitely seems like an objection the actual GN would come up with.
I'm not very sure about that, given I too noted that, although not in the same fashion. Personally, I discarded Oa's post as missing something during reading. It happens all too often to me when I'm reading a good book, and tbh I'd expect such an objection would come from anyone who is at least giving the GN plan the time of day.
Post by: andretimpa on June 25, 2021, 02:21:19 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 25, 2021, 02:33:46 am
Oa didn't stand out to me at all. I imagine either mafia got lucky or they found Oa with a role N0 (which would imply FFQ exists and is mafia), which is still getting lucky. Unlikely, sure, but possible nonetheless.It's not like I think Oa stood out or anything, I was just looking at only his posts to see if there was a potential reason. There be a difference between posting a wall of text that includes that concern, and that concern being the only thing you add to the discussion :silly:Doesn’t this plan like.. collapse if someone claims GN target before GN?It definitely seems like an objection the actual GN would come up with.
I'm not very sure about that, given I too noted that, although not in the same fashion. Personally, I discarded Oa's post as missing something during reading. It happens all too often to me when I'm reading a good book, and tbh I'd expect such an objection would come from anyone who is at least giving the GN plan the time of day.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 25, 2021, 03:15:05 am
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
mathman101 (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
mathman101 (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (1) - RootRanger
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
mathman101 (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
mathman101 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
mathman101 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, MasterNoob
mathman101 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman
mathman101 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman
mathman101 (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Naii_the_Baf, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman
mathman101 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (4) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman, TheonlyrealBeef
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (4) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman, TheonlyrealBeef
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (4) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, shockcannon
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (5) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, shockcannon, TheonlyrealBeef
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (4) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, mathman, shockcannon
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (4) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, mathman, shockcannon
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (5) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterNoob
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (4) - Linkcat, mathman, shockcannon, andretimpa
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (4) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterNoob
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, mathman, shockcannon
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (5) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterNoob, andretimpa
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, shockcannon
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (6) - iancudorinmarian, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterNoob, andretimpa, mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 25, 2021, 03:38:12 am
Ordered by #posts at time of posting.
I do not oppose an andre train, but it wouldn't be much fun to just pile on from the get-go.- Linkcat (n) - Half serious, lots of potential breadcrumbs. Hard to get a good read on.
- MasterWalks (n) - Would have been n+ thanks to trying to have meaningful town discussions, if not for the sus on me I do not understand.
- andretimpa (n-) - shocks dying wish seems to be not to forgive andre, partially for narrowing down GN (whom now rests in pieces). Extending lynch vote timer is okay, but please do not do that with ties.
- Naii the Baf (n) - Not inactive, but nothing noteworthy from my point of view (that concerns alignment).
- worldwideweb3 (n-) - Unusually low amount of low content posts. Most suspiciously: he hasn't cried out for doc a single night yet, unlike we're used from w3. It's like he's one of fg, hb or doc. Standing out that way as doc would be rather foolish...
andretimpa (2)- Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Post by: Linkcat on June 25, 2021, 04:12:09 am
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 25, 2021, 03:52:07 pm
So now that GN is gone, is it useful to share any info as don't need to hide GN anymore or nah? Also, these false gods seem to have something against :time protect naii doc senpai
I would have expected atleast one of the first two nks to be root, link or torb so a bit of a surprise there. Wouldn't surprise me if there was a HB or FG in this trio.
Train from math in the last voting phase did disapear quickly and OA, our GN was the only one on it by the end of phase so I wonder if that is indicative of anything?
Post by: MasterWalks on June 25, 2021, 04:32:47 pm
So now that GN is gone, is it useful to share any info as don't need to hide GN anymore or nah? Also, these false gods seem to have something against :time protect naii doc senpai
Let's hear your information
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 25, 2021, 04:33:21 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 25, 2021, 04:36:43 pm
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 25, 2021, 04:52:16 pm
So now that GN is gone, is it useful to share any info as don't need to hide GN anymore or nah? Also, these false gods seem to have something against :time protect naii doc senpai
Let's hear your information
Oh i dont have any. My roles kinda useless, was just wondering if someone else had any, should they now be sharing
Post by: MasterWalks on June 25, 2021, 05:56:06 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 25, 2021, 05:57:25 pm
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 25, 2021, 06:18:53 pm
If ur not on Torbs readlist, post a readlist or something of substance or I'll nom u.
nomming iancu is always fun
Post by: RootRanger on June 25, 2021, 07:49:48 pm
1. Aside from Golden Nymph, are any roles (such as Guardian Angel) guaranteed to be in the game and/or guaranteed to belong to an elemental?
2. Could multiple players have the same secondary role?
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 25, 2021, 08:13:32 pm
Also, these false gods seem to have something against :time
w3 and Naii FG, andre HB, according to dice roll in blab
It's all part of my plan to become Master of Time by removing all other contestants :silly:
Post by: MasterWalks on June 25, 2021, 08:42:00 pm
w3 (n+) y'all think he's a little sketch cuz he's not asking for doc but all I see is a more involved w3 giving actual conversation and not just q.qs. I think if he was mafia we would make an attempt to act as normal. I believe his claim about crappy role.
TORB (n+) good discussion and insight. Made effort to post lynchlog which is usually a pretty town move. My initial bad read of him was mostly just trying to grasp any read I had.
Link (n) can link be anything but n? Like he could hardclaim mafia and people would still put him at n.
Naii (n-) active but nothing of value. This is usually a red flag for mafia. He's playing it safe I'd say.
Andre (n-) I've stated my reasons already but betraying shock and squeezing info out, when shock flat out said his info would narrow down GN is bad, the GN gets NK'd right after. Things do not look in your favor
Iancu (?) Kinda same as naii but your behavior is nothing out of the usual. Carefree, careless, and melancholic are you.
Jcj, annele, math and everyone else (n-) low input is scummy. Either your afk and are useless, or your mafia playing it safe.
TORB (n+) good discussion and insight. Made effort to post lynchlog which is usually a pretty town move. My initial bad read of him was mostly just trying to grasp any read I had.
Link (n) can link be anything but n? Like he could hardclaim mafia and people would still put him at n.
Naii (n-) active but nothing of value. This is usually a red flag for mafia. He's playing it safe I'd say.
Andre (n-) I've stated my reasons already but betraying shock and squeezing info out, when shock flat out said his info would narrow down GN is bad, the GN gets NK'd right after. Things do not look in your favor
Iancu (?) Kinda same as naii but your behavior is nothing out of the usual. Carefree, careless, and melancholic are you.
Jcj, annele, math and everyone else (n-) low input is scummy. Either your afk and are useless, or your mafia playing it safe.
Post by: serprex on June 25, 2021, 08:45:56 pm
@serprex, is anything guaranteed about the distribution of secondary roles? I assume they are chosen randomly and uniformly, but have a couple questions, thanks!
1. Aside from Golden Nymph, are any roles (such as Guardian Angel) guaranteed to be in the game and/or guaranteed to belong to an elemental?
2. Could multiple players have the same secondary role?
1. No
2. Yes
Post by: serprex on June 25, 2021, 08:48:52 pm
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 25, 2021, 08:50:28 pm
Here's my crappy readlist because it's me with crappy formatting because on mobilew3 (n+) y'all think he's a little sketch cuz he's not asking for doc but all I see is a more involved w3 giving actual conversation and not just q.qs. I think if he was mafia we would make an attempt to act as normal. I believe his claim about crappy role.
TORB (n+) good discussion and insight. Made effort to post lynchlog which is usually a pretty town move. My initial bad read of him was mostly just trying to grasp any read I had.
Link (n) can link be anything but n? Like he could hardclaim mafia and people would still put him at n.
Naii (n-) active but nothing of value. This is usually a red flag for mafia. He's playing it safe I'd say.
Andre (n-) I've stated my reasons already but betraying shock and squeezing info out, when shock flat out said his info would narrow down GN is bad, the GN gets NK'd right after. Things do not look in your favor
Iancu (?) Kinda same as naii but your behavior is nothing out of the usual. Carefree, careless, and melancholic are you.
Jcj, annele, math and everyone else (n-) low input is scummy. Either your afk and are useless, or your mafia playing it safe.
Poor jcj isn’t even playing
Post by: andretimpa on June 25, 2021, 09:12:06 pm
There have been 3 thinks from which I can derive some kind of read:
- The plan to try to conceal GN that was being discussed in D1
- voting behaviour
- activity in general
(n) MasterWalks - Seems to me he's sheeping Link a bit (twice now he voted following him, right after Link posts, granted the timing of his second vote does point to these being posts done at the same time). Didn't contribute to the GN plan, but I don't really expect strategies coming from him.
(n+) Naii_the_Baf - He did contribute something to the GN plan, but nothing else of substance. Just coasted during EOD, which I'm unsure how to read
(n-) worldwideweb3 - Breadposts, breadposts everywhere.
(n-) mathman101 - Has been afk through most of D1. But I'd like to call attention to the timing of his final vote. It seems it was being typed at the same time as mine (specially if you consider it being on mobile), so he was also going for a hammer here. My motivation for hammering shock was avoiding a No Lynch which was imminent and would have made EOD1 a larger fiasco than it was. I hope his motivation was similar.
(n-) iancudorinmarian - I really dislike ian's idgaf style for the first phases of the game, since it's indistinguishable from his style when he's scum
(n) RootRanger - I remember Root posting more from the games way back (specially weird that he was just lurking at EOD but starts posting as the timer runs out). He did however contribute to the GN plan.
(n) Linkcat - He did contribute to the GN plan. But it's Link and I always have trouble reading him (so have another trademarked (n) Linkcat read)
(n) TheonlyrealBeef - torb seems to be acting the same as usual to me, so I got nothing here tbh.
(n-) Annele - Her only post in D1 was about the timesone for EOD. Could be mafia just chilling or a town on her way to a MK
(n+) Naii_the_Baf - He did contribute something to the GN plan, but nothing else of substance. Just coasted during EOD, which I'm unsure how to read
(n-) worldwideweb3 - Breadposts, breadposts everywhere.
(n-) mathman101 - Has been afk through most of D1. But I'd like to call attention to the timing of his final vote. It seems it was being typed at the same time as mine (specially if you consider it being on mobile), so he was also going for a hammer here. My motivation for hammering shock was avoiding a No Lynch which was imminent and would have made EOD1 a larger fiasco than it was. I hope his motivation was similar.
(n-) iancudorinmarian - I really dislike ian's idgaf style for the first phases of the game, since it's indistinguishable from his style when he's scum
(n) RootRanger - I remember Root posting more from the games way back (specially weird that he was just lurking at EOD but starts posting as the timer runs out). He did however contribute to the GN plan.
(n) Linkcat - He did contribute to the GN plan. But it's Link and I always have trouble reading him (so have another trademarked (n) Linkcat read)
(n) TheonlyrealBeef - torb seems to be acting the same as usual to me, so I got nothing here tbh.
(n-) Annele - Her only post in D1 was about the timesone for EOD. Could be mafia just chilling or a town on her way to a MK
Post by: MasterWalks on June 25, 2021, 09:25:34 pm
The strategy comment is warranted but makes me sad :'(
I've played Among Us twice so I'm pretty good at these types of games now. I have a question for you, have you used your ability yet? Also same goes for w3, he has bad role sure but have you used it?
Post by: andretimpa on June 25, 2021, 10:18:05 pm
The strategy comment is warranted but makes me sad :'(
It's all banter m8 :P .
Your vote being supposed to be first is what I meant about the timing. About the ability questions (to me and w3), I think we should be worrying about narrowing GA right now. What I have already shared is this
I got nothing to share so far in terms of info. Will be making a read list after work.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 25, 2021, 10:38:55 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 25, 2021, 10:53:57 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 25, 2021, 11:05:57 pm
Otyugh - OU
Devour - Target a player. They die and your role is publicly revealed. If you eat a Toadfish or a player that was Poisoned, you become Poisoned.
So we can just lynch on the spot an Oty that acts before we have an agreed target.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 25, 2021, 11:24:11 pm
Also, from the rulesOtyugh - OU
Devour - Target a player. They die and your role is publicly revealed. If you eat a Toadfish or a player that was Poisoned, you become Poisoned.
So we can just lynch on the spot an Oty that acts before we have an agreed target.
If the Oty is revealed this way, then the deed has already been done and Oty may have eaten a town putting us down a day. It's better to prevent the problem rather than waiting for the problem to happen to address it.
Post by: Annele on June 25, 2021, 11:48:01 pm
(n-) Annele - Her only post in D1 was about the timesone for EOD. Could be mafia just chilling or a town on her way to a MK[/spoiler]
I did also mention that I agreed that we should lynch HB unless there's an obviously better FG target. Oa's response was fair though, it's certainly highly situational. I just don't think we should get into a situation where we know an HB and deliberately leave them alive for the only reason that they're not FG.
But yeah, I haven't said much yet.
I don't know if anyone's mentioned yet that Oa's vote on mathman broke a tie and then wasn't removed for the rest of the day. He also mentioned that he wanted one train to gain traction rather than vote juggle at eod. Could this have been pointing to a lucky N0 FG glimpse?
And it's been said before but andre pushing shock for the info that revealed two non-GN abilities and then going right back to voting on him seems rather dodgy. Actually both math and andre went back to voting on shock after shock's reveal.
So I guess my reads are sus for those two and n+ for everyone else at the moment.
Post by: andretimpa on June 25, 2021, 11:55:34 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 25, 2021, 11:57:23 pm
I did also mention that I agreed that we should lynch HB unless there's an obviously better FG target.
My bad, missed it while looking for anything from you
Post by: Linkcat on June 26, 2021, 12:07:23 am
We're halfway through the day, we need more votes. Would love to see some on Annele.
Also need to hear more from math, Root, and Naii.
Edit: Annele, since you're here, put a vote on someone. Unless you actually are Graboid, then just say who you'd vote on.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 12:13:36 am
Andre, stop posting good stuff. You're making me doubt myself./s? Cuz I'm getting opposite impressions. Nothing he's said in our interaction sounds townie. Tho, none of it is super scummy either.
Post by: Annele on June 26, 2021, 12:39:26 am
Edit: Annele, since you're here, put a vote on someone. Unless you actually are Graboid, then just say who you'd vote on.
I'd vote math, since there are already some votes on andre, and I think this is worth pursuing too
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 12:46:14 am
Andre, stop posting good stuff. You're making me doubt myself.
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Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 01:14:10 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 26, 2021, 01:19:34 am
Post by: serprex on June 26, 2021, 01:20:09 am
@serpie poo. Are abilities uses notified when blocked? What about if someone is burrowed?
You're not JoshDreamland; you don't get to call me that
Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 02:20:34 am
Alright, we're killing him.
Alright, we're killing him.humiliation uwu
Ok fine @serprex are ability uses notified when blocked? What about burrowed?
Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 02:21:40 am
Post by: serprex on June 26, 2021, 02:33:27 am
-snip-
Ok fine @serprex are ability uses notified when blocked? What about burrowed?
No
If you attempt to burrow & it's blocked you won't be notified that you've gained the status burrowed. The only status which you aren't notified of immediately is Poison
Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 02:45:43 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 26, 2021, 02:46:09 am
Post by: serprex on June 26, 2021, 03:10:48 am
Hmm, no not what I meant. I mean, like if Psion targets someone, but is blocked by warden, is Psion notified they were blocked?
No
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 03:15:41 am
Post by: serprex on June 26, 2021, 03:25:41 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 26, 2021, 03:46:45 am
I don't know if anyone's mentioned yet that Oa's vote on mathman broke a tie and then wasn't removed for the rest of the day. He also mentioned that he wanted one train to gain traction rather than vote juggle at eod. Could this have been pointing to a lucky N0 FG glimpse?I cannot say for certain that is false, but as a fellow European, I think he simply wanted to break a tie and settle whom to lynch before going to sleep afterwards.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 26, 2021, 04:18:20 am
When all the useless roles are revealed, all that remains must be something worth keeping secret, after all.
Distribution of roles not being explicitly random likely has to do with maintaining balance, despite anything being possible with randomness. So town having 1 GA is plausible, 2 GA is unlikely, while 3 GA would almost certainly cause mod override.
There is something I am looking for in reads lists, but it won't do to point it out unless I get most peoples' read lists. So I would love more of those and elaborate something town should be looking into.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 26, 2021, 06:43:49 am
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
The dice have spoken.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 26, 2021, 10:03:41 am
n: andre, naii
n+: MW, annele,
andretimpa (2)- Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
Mathman101 (1) - worldwideweb3
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 02:06:28 pm
- My main problem with w3 is that he's mostly posting low content stuff (tho he just posted reads, so that will hopefully change later).
- My problem with ian and Annele is they are mostly afk
- For math, on top of being really afk I keep coming back to the timing of his last vote in EOD. From my readlist:
(n-) mathman101 - Has been afk through most of D1. But I'd like to call attention to the timing of his final vote. It seems it was being typed at the same time as mine (specially if you consider it being on mobile), so he was also going for a hammer here. My motivation for hammering shock was avoiding a No Lynch which was imminent and would have made EOD1 a larger fiasco than it was. I hope his motivation was similar.
So I'd say math is the most solid of those reads
andretimpa (2)- Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
Mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
I'm not opposed to move to w3, but keeping the trains tied seems OK for now and w3 is starting to show potential.
Post by: Linkcat on June 26, 2021, 03:01:44 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 26, 2021, 03:12:28 pm
n+
MasterWalks: Actively attemping to engage in meaningful discussion imo, and nothing really looks out of place from him.
n
Linkcat: I like to think Link is a book no one knows the language for.
TheonlyrealBeef: Null read.
n-
worldwideweb3: His D1 vote has me an eyebrow raised, as he could very easily have tied wagons by voting shock (and he was one of the wagons as well) when he voted and instead chose to vote me. w3, do you have any reason to suspect me? I'm not entirely certain that's a random vote, even if it wasn't me being voted. He also did argue that he was following TorB's suggestion, even if said suggestion wasn't for voting, if that amounts to something.
andretimpa: Nothing that hasn't been said before, just voting shock back after pushing him to reveal info and threatening to vote him if he didn't. In the end it was an empty threat and shock should have never revealed his info.
MasterWalks: Actively attemping to engage in meaningful discussion imo, and nothing really looks out of place from him.
n
Linkcat: I like to think Link is a book no one knows the language for.
TheonlyrealBeef: Null read.
n-
worldwideweb3: His D1 vote has me an eyebrow raised, as he could very easily have tied wagons by voting shock (and he was one of the wagons as well) when he voted and instead chose to vote me. w3, do you have any reason to suspect me? I'm not entirely certain that's a random vote, even if it wasn't me being voted. He also did argue that he was following TorB's suggestion, even if said suggestion wasn't for voting, if that amounts to something.
andretimpa: Nothing that hasn't been said before, just voting shock back after pushing him to reveal info and threatening to vote him if he didn't. In the end it was an empty threat and shock should have never revealed his info.
Not voting yet, I'd like to have w3 answer my question. Otherwise my vote's on w3.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 26, 2021, 04:40:46 pm
Since everyone else is doing one I might as well make one myself.n+
MasterWalks: Actively attemping to engage in meaningful discussion imo, and nothing really looks out of place from him.
n
Linkcat: I like to think Link is a book no one knows the language for.
TheonlyrealBeef: Null read.
n-
worldwideweb3: His D1 vote has me an eyebrow raised, as he could very easily have tied wagons by voting shock (and he was one of the wagons as well) when he voted and instead chose to vote me. w3, do you have any reason to suspect me? I'm not entirely certain that's a random vote, even if it wasn't me being voted. He also did argue that he was following TorB's suggestion, even if said suggestion wasn't for voting, if that amounts to something.
andretimpa: Nothing that hasn't been said before, just voting shock back after pushing him to reveal info and threatening to vote him if he didn't. In the end it was an empty threat and shock should have never revealed his info.
Not voting yet, I'd like to have w3 answer my question. Otherwise my vote's on w3.
It was a completely random vote. It’s better to have multiple wagons than just a couple, esp day 1 when there’s not much info anyways. I tend not to vote for counter wagon just to save myself, only if I acc feel they’re mafia. I remember trying to save shock in a previous mafia cause I didn’t read him as mafia, even tho he was the only other big wagon. A mafia me wouldve just piled on shock lol instead of voting you
Post by: Linkcat on June 26, 2021, 05:07:17 pm
Full reads list will have to wait until Night, I'm way too tired and my power may go out again at any time. It's not even storming...
I'm cool with a lynch on andre or a bottom half poster.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 26, 2021, 07:36:44 pm
Post by: RootRanger on June 26, 2021, 07:49:27 pm
I don't love the andre lynch, since I don't really think he did anything wrong (it was shock's decision to reveal unnecessary info imo). But, with shock being dead, he's a confirmed civ, so I'd rather go with the person he'd want us to lynch than risk getting steered by mafia to someone else. Had a better idea for a lynch, but that was before GN died, so it is what it is.
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, RootRanger
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 26, 2021, 07:56:34 pm
My first thought is that mafia likely has a role that could have allowed them to discover the GN, so if anyone in turn identifies someone with one of those roles, that could be good reason to lynch them. It's a bit of a long shot that anyone would even have that info, but if they do, might be good to speak up.
I don't love the andre lynch, since I don't really think he did anything wrong (it was shock's decision to reveal unnecessary info imo). But, with shock being dead, he's a confirmed civ, so I'd rather go with the person he'd want us to lynch than risk getting steered by mafia to someone else. Had a better idea for a lynch, but that was before GN died, so it is what it is.
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, RootRanger
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
Shock is the last person who should be influencing your decision, ngl
Whats your take on everyone else btw?
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 08:28:59 pm
Post by: RootRanger on June 26, 2021, 08:32:36 pm
Not much of a take really. My thought process is that by following shock's target, I at least avoid mafia influence in the lynchMy first thought is that mafia likely has a role that could have allowed them to discover the GN, so if anyone in turn identifies someone with one of those roles, that could be good reason to lynch them. It's a bit of a long shot that anyone would even have that info, but if they do, might be good to speak up.
I don't love the andre lynch, since I don't really think he did anything wrong (it was shock's decision to reveal unnecessary info imo). But, with shock being dead, he's a confirmed civ, so I'd rather go with the person he'd want us to lynch than risk getting steered by mafia to someone else. Had a better idea for a lynch, but that was before GN died, so it is what it is.
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, RootRanger
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
Shock is the last person who should be influencing your decision, ngl
Whats your take on everyone else btw?
Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 09:21:55 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 26, 2021, 09:31:52 pm
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, RootRanger, Naii_the_Baf
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
I'd vote math here, if only to pressure him to speak, but being 2 hours to EOD I'd rather not have tied wagons.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 26, 2021, 09:33:43 pm
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, RootRanger, Naii_the_Baf
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 09:34:09 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 11:06:30 pm
Reads update
(n) worldwideweb3 - Starting to show a bit more promise and toned down the bread
(n-/w?) Naii - That readlist is pretty incomplete and it just looks like he's trying to agree with the general consensus. Says he'll vote after w3 gives him an answer. Vote only comes after MN presures for more votes (suggesting he'd move the vote), 5 hours after w3 gave him his answer (even tho he was online multiple times after that). In particular I'm calling major BS on this
I'd vote math here, if only to pressure him to speak, but being 2 hours to EOD I'd rather not have tied wagons.
I confront him a bit about that, and am ignored.
(n-) Root - Saying he's following shock as a reason to justify his vote and not having a readlist really rubs me the wrong way (not an OMGUS, as I'm fine with MN and Link votes, since they gave decent reasons that I see myself agreeing with from an outside perspective)
(n) Annele - Actually posted her views and a readlist (even tho a pretty minimalistic one). If she doesn't vote again D3, she should be put in the lynch block, as there is no point in staying burrowed imo and not voting is perfect for mafia avoiding wagonomics
Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 11:17:38 pm
Y r u still on w3? Almost EoD and it's time to start a pile.Ordered by #posts at time of posting.I do not oppose an andre train, but it wouldn't be much fun to just pile on from the get-go.The rest hasn't posted enough, gets an n and the feedback to please post more. Hard to get reads otherwise.
- Linkcat (n) - Half serious, lots of potential breadcrumbs. Hard to get a good read on.
- MasterWalks (n) - Would have been n+ thanks to trying to have meaningful town discussions, if not for the sus on me I do not understand.
- andretimpa (n-) - shocks dying wish seems to be not to forgive andre, partially for narrowing down GN (whom now rests in pieces). Extending lynch vote timer is okay, but please do not do that with ties.
- Naii the Baf (n) - Not inactive, but nothing noteworthy from my point of view (that concerns alignment).
- worldwideweb3 (n-) - Unusually low amount of low content posts. Most suspiciously: he hasn't cried out for doc a single night yet, unlike we're used from w3. It's like he's one of fg, hb or doc. Standing out that way as doc would be rather foolish...
andretimpa (2)- Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Andre seems to be master class defender, cuz now I'm second guessing my vote. I'll flip over to Annele. No she's never been one to be super active, but I'm sensing the grabby soft claim is a lie. I dont have proof, but it seems like she was AFK for voting and decided to run with her new fake role persona. I request info role to target her.
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, RootRanger, Naii_the_Baf
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
Annele (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 26, 2021, 11:24:45 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 11:27:21 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 11:28:49 pm
Page 17 2nd comment is her respond she would put her vote on math but didn't actually cast it.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 26, 2021, 11:29:21 pm
(n-/w?) Naii - That readlist is pretty incomplete and it just looks like he's trying to agree with the general consensus. Says he'll vote after w3 gives him an answer. Vote only comes after MN presures for more votes (suggesting he'd move the vote), 5 hours after w3 gave him his answer (even tho he was online multiple times after that). In particular I'm calling major BS on thisI'd vote math here, if only to pressure him to speak, but being 2 hours to EOD I'd rather not have tied wagons.
I confront him a bit about that, and am ignored.
If I look like I'm online it doesn't mean I'm actively looking at this thread. I have this thread open in my phone and the browser resets every so often (my phone runs out of memory and cedes the browser's), so it looks like I'm online for a bit. I wasn't available from my readslist until a bit before I made my previous post, and even then I wasn't available for too long at that time. I was available 8 hours ago, but not 7. It may be a Saturday but I also have something else to do other than mafia.
Also, MW's post has nothing to do with my vote appearing; I would have cast it there anyways as soon as I came back to check on mafia and read what had been posted. It just so happens that I came back after MW's post.
Incomplete readslist is because I have absolutely either too little or nothing for whoever isn't in that list. TorB gets "null read" because I did put some thought into what he's said so far and got nothing indicative of alignment. If you want me to stash the people I skipped somewhere, then consider them in n leaning towards n-. It is my mistake to not include this but might as well clear it up now.
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 11:31:26 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 11:32:49 pm
Quote
Also, MW's post has nothing to do with my vote appearing; I would have cast it there anyways as soon as I came back to check on mafia and read what had been posted. It just so happens that I came back after MW's post.
I believe this. Mobile seems slower than PC. It didn't even tell me Link already posted a vote when I posted, even though his landed almost 2 min earlier than mine.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 26, 2021, 11:37:19 pm
Ok, but why claim you'd vote to press mathman, and not check the thread until it was way to late for that?
Because I was busy at the time and mafia wasn't my priority. I'd have checked earlier had I not been doing something else.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 26, 2021, 11:43:15 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 11:46:13 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 26, 2021, 11:48:17 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 11:51:28 pm
Any time now
Anyyyyyyyyyy time
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 26, 2021, 11:52:05 pm
Careful about posting guys. That unwritten rule is in effect.
7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 7 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any vote swapping trolling/juggling, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.
What about this one? It's practically that.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 26, 2021, 11:52:22 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 11:53:50 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 26, 2021, 11:54:00 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 11:55:54 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 26, 2021, 11:57:05 pm
Post by: andretimpa on June 26, 2021, 11:58:25 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 26, 2021, 11:59:07 pm
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (3) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa, Linkcat
Annele (1) - MasterWalks
Mostly for extension
Post by: serprex on June 26, 2021, 11:59:40 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 27, 2021, 12:00:22 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 27, 2021, 12:05:27 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 27, 2021, 12:05:53 am
Post by: andretimpa on June 27, 2021, 12:06:42 am
Post by: serprex on June 27, 2021, 12:12:40 am
andretimpa was lynched. He was an Elemental & an Otyugh. He died as he lived: hungry
There are 2 False Gods, 1 Half Blood, & 6 Elementals. Please note that secondary roles are independent of alignment/primary role.
Sunrise.
Post by: andretimpa on June 27, 2021, 12:13:31 am
Remember kids, scum!timpa hates being the center of attentions (I mean, I was tied with Link for top poster). Also, listening to shock is always a bad move, shame on you guys.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 27, 2021, 12:16:23 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 27, 2021, 12:17:52 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 27, 2021, 12:28:04 am
I was hoping other people would engage in deadline shenanigans, but it just came down to me in the end. MW, you were around but didn't vote on any of the wagons, what's up with that?
Post by: MasterWalks on June 27, 2021, 12:50:24 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 27, 2021, 12:51:23 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 27, 2021, 12:56:33 am
Quote from: serprexPS y'all should've stopped posting around ~00:17, consider yourself all warned. Twice.You made me read the entire rules finally and I don't see anything about that. What rule is this? Other hosts usually put up a "night has ended, results coming soon" when they want us to stop.
Yeah maybe I should post, but then I'm a couple minutes late because I'm watching This is 40 rather than spamming F5 on this thread, & in that time shock decides to spill his guts because he knows he's dead
But hey, I'll count this as a victory in that I got you to read the rules. The most important rule is 10. I reserve the right to make any changes to the ruleset in order to maintain the integrity and balance of the game. Remember Wyand calling me out as a crazy power tripping WM? I'm also a crazy power tripping moderator
tl;dr don't argue with the moderator, have fun
Post by: MasterWalks on June 27, 2021, 12:59:58 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 27, 2021, 01:01:59 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 27, 2021, 01:04:37 am
Y r u still on w3? Almost EoD and it's time to start a pile.Because EoD timing sucks and I was sleeping 22:30-02:45 local time. Seems like a nornal thing to me.
Post by: serprex on June 27, 2021, 01:05:29 am
(written before previous three posts)
Post by: MasterWalks on June 27, 2021, 01:10:18 am
So you were fine with math lynch as well?Ya I don't mind. Math is just a low poster from my perspective. Low posters are automatically n- in my book unless proven otherwise.
I would like to add, I'm against voting w3 not because I 100% believe he is town, but I have proof there is a 50% chance he is not mafia. More to come in day time.
Post by: Annele on June 27, 2021, 01:24:32 am
I'm still leaning math, as the only potential info we got from our GN and the sus voting - the only one aside from me that didn't vote last round (yes I know that's suspicious, I will do better). Certainly the way andre was posting about math later in the day pointed to them not being w/w, but I do understand link's reasoning for going for the higher poster.
Sucks we lost our oty. I'm sorry andre, I remember how stressful that role is.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 27, 2021, 01:35:33 am
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the only one aside from me that didn't vote last round (yes I know that's suspicious, I will do better).
Wait, are you now going back on your grabby soft claim? If so, why did you not actually cast vote? You were active as you responded to it.
Normally not voting is not suspicious since we usually attempt to hide grabby. I regret pointing out you being the only non-voter since it gave you the ability to run with graboid as a role, regardless if you actually are graboid. Honestly, lying about role early game isn't even all that sus, I did it yet no one seems to care, its only sus because of you response to Link.
Post by: Annele on June 27, 2021, 01:54:45 am
Post by: Annele on June 27, 2021, 02:09:49 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 27, 2021, 02:15:07 am
http://imgur.com/a/j4Sygg5
I'm dropping the subject for now.
If we wanna kill Math next sure. Let's see if Oa got as lucky as Mafia with his first target
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 27, 2021, 06:28:34 am
andretimpa (1) - Linkcat
andretimpa (2)- Linkcat, MasterNoob
andretimpa (2)- Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
andretimpa (2)- Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
andretimpa (2)- Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (1) - worldwideweb3
andretimpa (2)- Linkcat, MasterNoob
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, RootRanger
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, RootRanger, Naii_the_Baf
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, RootRanger, Naii_the_Baf
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
Annele (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (2) - RootRanger, Naii_the_Baf
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (3) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa, Linkcat
Annele (1) - MasterWalks
andretimpa (3) - RootRanger, Naii_the_Baf, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
Annele (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 27, 2021, 07:18:23 am
There is something I am looking for in reads lists, but it won't do to point it out unless I get most peoples' read lists. So I would love more of those and elaborate something town should be looking into.Didn't quite get all the reads I wanted, but I will have to make do with what we have while I live. It's quite possible we can only afford one more mislynch before town loses.
So basically my idea is that the Half Blood cannot communicate with the False Gods through mafia pad. So there are several ways to deal with that:
- False Gods don't post much and keep a low profile. This means the Half Blood can simple vote off-wagon or not at all.
- False Gods let the Half Bloods know they know who they are without lynch voting. An example could be like this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-76-by-serprex/msg1304835/#msg1304835). Since only False Gods or Golden Nymphs should be able to distinguish the Half Blood, this signals the Half Blood the poster is a False God. Since shock was no False God, the example itself held no meaning.
- False Gods just straight up declare their own identity.
Reads lists are rows, reads are columns.
Not sure if it is just the number of reads lists missing, but this summary does not really accomplish what I was looking for... Maybe someone else can make some use of this theory/method.
| List V \ Read > | MasterWalks | Naii_the_Baf | worldwideweb3 | Linkcat | iancudorinmarian | mathman101 | TheonlyrealBeef | Annele | RootRanger |
| MasterWalks | x | n- | n+ | n | ? | n- | n+ | n- | n- |
| Naii_the_Baf | n+ | x | n- | n | null | ||||
| worldwideweb3 | n+ | n | x | n- | n- | n- | n- | n+ | n- |
| TheonlyrealBeef | n+ | n | n- | n | n | n | x | n | n |
Here is the code I used for placeholders of rows. First td becomes the person the read list is from, rest of names is replaced with the read on that person.
Code: (read list) [Select]
[tr]
[td]USERNAMELISTOWNER[/td]
[td]MasterWalks[/td]
[td]Naii_the_Baf[/td]
[td]worldwideweb3[/td]
[td]Linkcat[/td]
[td]iancudorinmarian[/td]
[td]mathman101[/td]
[td]TheonlyrealBeef[/td]
[td]Annele[/td]
[td]RootRanger[/td]
[/tr]Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 27, 2021, 08:42:11 am
So you were fine with math lynch as well?Ya I don't mind. Math is just a low poster from my perspective. Low posters are automatically n- in my book unless proven otherwise.
I would like to add, I'm against voting w3 not because I 100% believe he is town, but I have proof there is a 50% chance he is not mafia. More to come in day time.
My knight in shining armour
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 27, 2021, 09:39:33 am
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 27, 2021, 09:43:21 am
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 27, 2021, 04:36:09 pm
There is something I am looking for in reads lists, but it won't do to point it out unless I get most peoples' read lists. So I would love more of those and elaborate something town should be looking into.Didn't quite get all the reads I wanted, but I will have to make do with what we have while I live. It's quite possible we can only afford one more mislynch before town loses.
So basically my idea is that the Half Blood cannot communicate with the False Gods through mafia pad. So there are several ways to deal with that:Apart from schock's post I haven't seen much potential for the second and the third is obviously not going to happen. I was hoping the reads could hint at the second, by looking for reads that deviate from the norm.
- False Gods don't post much and keep a low profile. This means the Half Blood can simple vote off-wagon or not at all.
- False Gods let the Half Bloods know they know who they are without lynch voting. An example could be like this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-76-by-serprex/msg1304835/#msg1304835). Since only False Gods or Golden Nymphs should be able to distinguish the Half Blood, this signals the Half Blood the poster is a False God. Since shock was no False God, the example itself held no meaning.
- False Gods just straight up declare their own identity.
Mostly what we should be looking for is crumbs regarding their own or FGs' actions; since FGs do know who the halfblood is, the halfblood can communicate without risking the FGs' identity. Following this idea, pretty much any role claim is potentially suspicious, as it could be the halfblood letting the FGs know what they are. Since it's one-sided communication, however, FGs only have two options: respond to the halfblood by aiding them, or do nothing. Personally I haven't seen anything like it so I'm not entirely certain Halfblood has a useful role for FGs. Likely a defensive role unless anyone else has caught something.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 27, 2021, 08:36:14 pm
I highly doubt Mafia targets a low poster. TORB, Link, myself, and maybe w3 are next on chopping block I'm willing to put money on it. Also since it's so close to end of the game, and town is losing, I'm willing to give info dump. Not role claiming but shouldn't be too hard to narrow down my role. I've targeted W3 and Andre in that order, neither resulted in any results. I will not say who I have targeted tonight as it's irrelevant if I die and can't share anything.
Post by: Linkcat on June 27, 2021, 11:59:17 pm
v
MW - Has this guy even rolled mafia yet? Play and tone is consistent with previous games.
n
Torb - Hasn't done anything memorable other than the attempted reads list compilation, I expect one of us to die tonight.
Annele - Low poster but seems towny.
w3 - Was inclined to believe he was town but has now been unlynched counterwagon against two town so back to neutral.
n-
iancu - Bro, it's the second half of the game, do something.
math - Reasons stated by others
N/A
Naii - There's a read here but I don't know what it is, no time to reread thread.
Main thing that should be focused on tomorrow is finding teams of 2/3 that make sense and seeing who has the most possibilities.
Post by: serprex on June 28, 2021, 12:17:01 am
MasterNoob was nightkilled. He was an Elemental & a Dragonfly. Now he lives under the ground with the crickets
There are 2 False Gods, 1 Half Blood, & 5 Elementals. Please note that secondary roles are independent of alignment/primary role.
Sunset.
Post by: Annele on June 28, 2021, 12:27:41 am
mathman101 (1) - Annele
Post by: MasterWalks on June 28, 2021, 12:30:07 am
Post by: serprex on June 28, 2021, 12:32:23 am
**Star Wars stormtrooper death noises**
Post by: Linkcat on June 28, 2021, 12:42:33 am
Even so, Torb still moves to n- for being alive.
This would be a good play from Annele since MW was the one suspecting her the most and she can open by pushing the easy lynch.
mathman101 (1) - Annele
Annele (1) - Linkcat
I'll approach today by starting with these two.
Post by: Linkcat on June 28, 2021, 12:59:19 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 28, 2021, 02:19:48 am
Post by: Annele on June 28, 2021, 02:22:32 am
So the kill was on the player that was the most townread, this tells me they expect to go to f5 or f3, which would mean 1-2 of the team are in the bottom of the POE. Another possible reason is they want to kill the thread but were scared of protection on me so they went after the next highest poster.
Even so, Torb still moves to n- for being alive.
This would be a good play from Annele since MW was the one suspecting her the most and she can open by pushing the easy lynch.
mathman101 (1) - Annele
Annele (1) - Linkcat
I'll approach today by starting with these two.
It'd be pretty idiotic of me to kill the person most blatantly pushing me. If I were mafia I'd aim for a far more innocuous nk. Which is what they did, so good move from mafia there.
I'm happy to change my vote from math if we get more information. I'm currently just sticking with my gut from what we've seen so far.
Post by: Linkcat on June 28, 2021, 03:18:11 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 28, 2021, 04:31:57 am
Personally, I have not used my ability for any night, and have not been notified of being targeted by any ability for any night.
Even so, Torb still moves to n- for being alive.You're like the last person whom I want to hear that argument from :silly:
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 28, 2021, 02:19:00 pm
iancu - Bro, it's the second half of the game, do something.Bro, I have nothing.
mathman101 (1) - Annele
Annele (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Having said that, I think I'll lynch the "pls don't kill me" guy.
Post by: Linkcat on June 28, 2021, 04:27:20 pm
JUST GIVE ME ONE TOWNREAD
ANYTHING
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 28, 2021, 05:57:49 pm
MW is such a weird nk. The scum either have an ability they dont want to be tracked at all (but then no one has claimed being his by any offensive ability so far) or MW was putting pressure on a mafia and they didnt like that. Only person he really pressured significantly was annele regarding the graboid stuff but im not reading nel as mafia so far (mainly as not enough posts) :/ MW gave TorB an n+ so would be weird for torb to kill him as well.
Now we move to the rest of the people
math - I dont like how his train disappeared so fast on day 1, with our GN left on him only. high up on mafia list imo.
ian - nothing to say. Very likely a mafia who is just enjoying civvies kill each other and not really taking part in any discussion.
root/link - also high on list to be HB/Maf as they are still somehow. Torb would be here too, but he wouldn't nk MW i feel.
Naii - not reading naii as mafia
n--: math
n-: ian, root, link
n: annele
n+: torb, naii
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 28, 2021, 06:28:00 pm
IANCU PLSI can't :(
JUST GIVE ME ONE TOWNREAD
ANYTHING
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 28, 2021, 09:25:38 pm
This NK strengthens my belief that FFQ exists and is mafia, and it's how they caught Oa as well. MW softed he had an info role, so w3 is quite likely to be correct.
We should be very careful about wagoning here. I believe it's not a terrible play for mafia to lynch halfblood now, especially if they don't have an useful role and have claimed. Currently I think Annele is halfblood; not sure if I want to peg Link as mafia though. Has anyone attempted to target Annele thus far?
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 28, 2021, 09:26:29 pm
I'm rather surprised both Link and TorB are still alive.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 28, 2021, 09:31:45 pm
Post by: serprex on June 28, 2021, 10:16:33 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 28, 2021, 10:26:37 pm
Annele (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Naii the Baf (1) - Mathman102
Imagine thinking I'm dead
Who the hell would do that
Post by: Espithel on June 28, 2021, 10:28:37 pm
ww3 and linkcat are scum
ww3's trying to kill someone who should be technically dead for free easy LyLo wins
And linkcat is linkcat
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 28, 2021, 11:10:00 pm
Also interesting that math was subbed instead of a direct kill, could mean he has an important role which serp did not wanna kill off....more mafia points for frozengaia!
Post by: Espithel on June 28, 2021, 11:25:05 pm
As if anyone reads the rules or pays attention if everyone has posted during the phase...
Also interesting that math was subbed instead of a direct kill, could mean he has an important role which serp did not wanna kill off....more mafia points for frozengaia!
Just to make sure, are you saying that Serprex is a bastard mod who alters the rules to suit his whims?
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 28, 2021, 11:29:25 pm
As if anyone reads the rules or pays attention if everyone has posted during the phase...
Also interesting that math was subbed instead of a direct kill, could mean he has an important role which serp did not wanna kill off....more mafia points for frozengaia!
Just to make sure, are you saying that Serprex is a bastard mod who alters the rules to suit his whims?
I prefer not to speak…if I speak I’m in big trouble and I don’t want to be in big trouble
Post by: Espithel on June 28, 2021, 11:31:00 pm
As if anyone reads the rules or pays attention if everyone has posted during the phase...
Also interesting that math was subbed instead of a direct kill, could mean he has an important role which serp did not wanna kill off....more mafia points for frozengaia!
Just to make sure, are you saying that Serprex is a bastard mod who alters the rules to suit his whims?
I prefer not to speak…if I speak I’m in big trouble and I don’t want to be in big trouble
I've got some good news for you, kiddo.
I'm claiming Shard of Freedom.
mathman101 (1) - Annele
Annele (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1,000,001) - iancudorinmarian, Mathman102
Post by: Espithel on June 28, 2021, 11:32:59 pm
I will return in 12 hours. I will have read the entire game up to this point during that time.
If I don't see a good, rigourous discussion when I return I'm going to tut discontentedly.
Btw Mathman was a firefly queen and no one was targeted last night or the night before lmao
It's almost like Mathman forgot the game existed or summat
But I won't! You're all precious to me <3
Except you Linkcat.
You smell.
Like in a nice way but still
smelly
Post by: Annele on June 29, 2021, 03:53:20 am
As if anyone reads the rules or pays attention if everyone has posted during the phase...
Also interesting that math was subbed instead of a direct kill, could mean he has an important role which serp did not wanna kill off....more mafia points for frozengaia!
tbh I think it's a good move in general, better to let the game play out however it will than automod imo
Has anyone attempted to target Annele thus far?
I haven't been notified about being targeted by anything, though ofc that doesn't mean people haven't tried.
Post by: Annele on June 29, 2021, 03:54:11 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 29, 2021, 04:08:15 am
mathman101 (1) - Annele
Annele (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 04:37:55 am
Welcome to the game, Espi. I'm glad a dead slot got replaced with an active player. Unless you're mafia, then that's really bad. Claiming FFQ does makes you more sus because of the GN kill N1.
Naii, what makes you think Annele is HB? And why does that make me mafia? I guarantee I would never be the first vote on my HB in this situation.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 05:03:23 am
Not w/w or w/HB
w3/math
Annele/math
Not w/w but second person could be HB
math/Naii
w3/Torb
w3/iancu
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 29, 2021, 05:34:34 am
So Annele and math_now_Espithel at the very least seem to be taking this seriously enough to try and come up with a reads list. So that leaves Root and ian. I'd really like to see some input/analysis on this situation: we really need to hit some mafia at this point, while we're currently sadly lacking on intel to work with. Root had some interesting posts in previous days at least, though I would still like to see some input today as well.
mathman101 (1) - Annele
Annele (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Why are u awake at such odd times, just had to ask
Mafia stuff later
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 29, 2021, 06:11:43 am
Why are u awake at such odd times, just had to askWhat's odd about being awake at 06:08 local time when my alarm is usually set to 06:00? Allows me to get some breakfast, exercise and a shower before work.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 06:26:27 am
w3 - Don't like the people voting on him at all. Hard to believe both people who were counter wagons on D1&2 are on the team.
n
Root - Has been coasting the whole game. Come on, man, help me figure this out.
Naii - Hard to place, I've had weird vibes from him the whole game. Starting to think it's because he's HB, that's just a feeling though.
n-
Torb - Still alive, if a high priority target is on the team I think it's him.
iancu - Literally useless. Bring back Mafia 70 iancu.
w+
Annele - Fits MW kill, Graboid is easy cover for being inactive. No voting record to judge by.
w
mathel - Only lead on Oa's N0 check, claimed FFQ
Now the main problem with this is that I have mathel/Annele as not w/w, so if I choose wrong it's probably game over.
Possible teams assuming iancu/Torb not w/w in addition to previous list
mathel + iancu/Torb + Naii/Root
Annele + iancu/Torb/w3 + Naii/Root
iancu/Torb + Naii + Root
w3 + Naii + Root or iancu/Torb as HB
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 29, 2021, 07:08:43 am
Oh my forum time said 4 am oops :sillyspin:Why are u awake at such odd times, just had to askWhat's odd about being awake at 06:08 local time when my alarm is usually set to 06:00? Allows me to get some breakfast, exercise and a shower before work.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 07:40:29 am
I'm pretty sure there's 1-2 in mathel/Annele/iancu, and 1-2 in Naii/Root/Torb. If there's only 1 in the latter, then it's either mathel/iancu or Annele/iancu, so iancu would be the correct lynch. If there's 2 in the latter, then the last probably isn't iancu so we should lynch one of mathel/Annele, but have to hit the right one. Correctly identifying and lynching the deepwolf today just isn't realistic, so this is where I'm focusing. Tough choices.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 07:46:55 am
Post by: RootRanger on June 29, 2021, 08:57:16 am
The FFQ claim is weird imo. That role would mean a higher chance of mafia in my book, given the early GN find. But, claiming FFQ yourself, who knows.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 09:21:27 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 29, 2021, 10:03:26 am
n+
w3 - Don't like the people voting on him at all. Hard to believe both people who were counter wagons on D1&2 are on the team.
n
Root - Has been coasting the whole game. Come on, man, help me figure this out.
Naii - Hard to place, I've had weird vibes from him the whole game. Starting to think it's because he's HB, that's just a feeling though.
n-
Torb - Still alive, if a high priority target is on the team I think it's him.
iancu - Literally useless. Bring back Mafia 70 iancu.
w+
Annele - Fits MW kill, Graboid is easy cover for being inactive. No voting record to judge by.
w
mathel - Only lead on Oa's N0 check, claimed FFQ
Now the main problem with this is that I have mathel/Annele as not w/w, so if I choose wrong it's probably game over.
Possible teams assuming iancu/Torb not w/w in addition to previous list
mathel + iancu/Torb + Naii/Root
Annele + iancu/Torb/w3 + Naii/Root
iancu/Torb + Naii + Root
w3 + Naii + Root or iancu/Torb as HB
Post by: Annele on June 29, 2021, 11:03:18 am
n+
Naii_the_Baf
His posts seem generally useful and towny. I liked the move from ww3 once he had a decent response last round, and think his choice of andre seemed much better justified than root's.
n+
worldwideweb3
I always feel mildly bad for the ones who tend to get jumped on early. Looking back, I think he pointed out the Oa vote on math even before I did. Also the two votes on him seems to have no justification and are both people I do not trust.
n
Linkcat
I think I have an internal bias towards the way link types because I always read his posts as vaguely scummy but have been very very wrong in the past about that.
I am a little confused by the most recent readlist (see torb's question), though I generally do agree with the conclusions. Overall I think there are far scummier players and agree that the more active one is the less likely to be mafia anyways
n
TheonlyrealBeef
Opposite internal bias here, I always read his posts as very trustworthy. I can't remember if I've been in a mafia game with scumtorb but if I was I'm sure we lost. I like torb's solving stuff, especially the attempt at figuring out hb. I do find it hard to get a proper read on him though.
n-
RootRanger - made some good points about the GN strategy early game, the reasoning for voting andre to break the three-way tie seems a little sketchy. Pinning the reasoning on blindly following shock and hedging the vote by saying he doesn't love it seems almost like a mafia not wanting to appear too aggressive once it's clear that andre was town.
n-
iancudorinmarian
Posted nothing of substance so far. I actually forgot he was in this game. Has only tried to lynch the two fallback players, shock and ww3
w
Espithel - being more active and claiming ffq has only strengthened my suspicions about mathman in the first place
Naii_the_Baf
His posts seem generally useful and towny. I liked the move from ww3 once he had a decent response last round, and think his choice of andre seemed much better justified than root's.
n+
worldwideweb3
I always feel mildly bad for the ones who tend to get jumped on early. Looking back, I think he pointed out the Oa vote on math even before I did. Also the two votes on him seems to have no justification and are both people I do not trust.
n
Linkcat
I think I have an internal bias towards the way link types because I always read his posts as vaguely scummy but have been very very wrong in the past about that.
I am a little confused by the most recent readlist (see torb's question), though I generally do agree with the conclusions. Overall I think there are far scummier players and agree that the more active one is the less likely to be mafia anyways
n
TheonlyrealBeef
Opposite internal bias here, I always read his posts as very trustworthy. I can't remember if I've been in a mafia game with scumtorb but if I was I'm sure we lost. I like torb's solving stuff, especially the attempt at figuring out hb. I do find it hard to get a proper read on him though.
n-
RootRanger - made some good points about the GN strategy early game, the reasoning for voting andre to break the three-way tie seems a little sketchy. Pinning the reasoning on blindly following shock and hedging the vote by saying he doesn't love it seems almost like a mafia not wanting to appear too aggressive once it's clear that andre was town.
n-
iancudorinmarian
Posted nothing of substance so far. I actually forgot he was in this game. Has only tried to lynch the two fallback players, shock and ww3
w
Espithel - being more active and claiming ffq has only strengthened my suspicions about mathman in the first place
Currently my thinking is that those bottom three - root, ian, and espi - are the w/w/hb trio, leaning towards ian as the hb (though if he is I don't think he's been very useful to the mafia).
I don't know what to think about some of the most active and solvey players still being around, as others have brought up a few times. I haven't played enough mafia on here to know what the trends are so atm I'm just not including it in my thinking.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 11:18:28 am
2. The reason they show up so much is because I haven't marked them as not w/w. I was probably too hasty to mark you and iancu as not w/w, so that would open up more possibilities that didn't include either of them. Even assuming you're not w/w, you could still be HB which I should have noted in that list.
3. The latter two lines that include both are much less likely than the first two, I put them there for completeness.
4. I already said mathel/Annele weren't w/w based on Annele opening up the day on them, though I am reconsidering this.
(Written before Annele's post, haven't read it so I don't know if it changes anything)
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 29, 2021, 11:29:59 am
And your lynch vote accordingly.
Regarding 1. and 4.: just wondering since w seems a strong sentiment for <50% mafia, while Root/Naii are >50% mafia in your illustrated scenarios. Of course, the relative chances change when you weigh particular scenarios as far more likely than others.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 11:31:30 am
I am also interested in the answer to torb's question.n+
Naii_the_Baf
His posts seem generally useful and towny. I liked the move from ww3 once he had a decent response last round, and think his choice of andre seemed much better justified than root's.
n+
worldwideweb3
I always feel mildly bad for the ones who tend to get jumped on early. Looking back, I think he pointed out the Oa vote on math even before I did. Also the two votes on him seems to have no justification and are both people I do not trust.
n
Linkcat
I think I have an internal bias towards the way link types because I always read his posts as vaguely scummy but have been very very wrong in the past about that. Don't worry, that's intentional.
I am a little confused by the most recent readlist (see torb's question), though I generally do agree with the conclusions. Overall I think there are far scummier players and agree that the more active one is the less likely to be mafia anyways
n
TheonlyrealBeef
Opposite internal bias here, I always read his posts as very trustworthy. I can't remember if I've been in a mafia game with scumtorb but if I was I'm sure we lost. I like torb's solving stuff, especially the attempt at figuring out hb. I do find it hard to get a proper read on him though.
n-
RootRanger - made some good points about the GN strategy early game, the reasoning for voting andre to break the three-way tie seems a little sketchy. Pinning the reasoning on blindly following shock and hedging the vote by saying he doesn't love it seems almost like a mafia not wanting to appear too aggressive once it's clear that andre was town.
n-
iancudorinmarian
Posted nothing of substance so far. I actually forgot he was in this game. Has only tried to lynch the two fallback players, shock and ww3
w
Espithel - being more active and claiming ffq has only strengthened my suspicions about mathman in the first place
Currently my thinking is that those bottom three - root, ian, and espi - are the w/w/hb trio, leaning towards ian as the hb (though if he is I don't think he's been very useful to the mafia).
I don't know what to think about some of the most active and solvey players still being around, as others have brought up a few times. I haven't played enough mafia on here to know what the trends are so atm I'm just not including it in my thinking.
This is the best reads list all game. Solid reasoning for every read. Proposed team is within my likely possibilites. Iancu as HB makes sense with the way he's been playing. Solid stuff, this is what I wanted to see from people today. *cough*Root*cough*
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 11:31:50 am
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 11:40:17 am
The meta is that you always lynch, but fight about it every game anyway.
Linkcat's just salty of that time I
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 11:40:55 am
lol
Don't know why that posted I didn't even press the enter key
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 11:51:29 am
Assuming the teams conclusion was a summary of previous statements, it was partially to ask if the conclusion made you reconsider the hypotheses the conclusion was built on.
And your lynch vote accordingly.
Regarding 1. and 4.: just wondering since w seems a strong sentiment for <50% mafia, while Root/Naii are >50% mafia in your illustrated scenarios. Of course, the relative chances change when you weigh particular scenarios as far more likely than others.
Worldbuilding with no red flips is unreliable, there's just too many possibilites. It would be silly to vote just based on that without an individual scumread.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 11:59:40 am
forced a no-lynch while he was trying to kill everyone as scum and got rewarded for it
lol
Don't know why that posted I didn't even press the enter key
You're trying to inflate your post count, I see right through you.
Remind me what game that was so I can delete the relevant posts.
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 12:18:53 pm
My belief is that vote juggling EOD, especially D1, is nothing but a huge advantage for mafia as they can O R C H E S T R A T E the lynch with ease. That’s why I wanted a train to get «early» traction, in which my percieved probability of hitting mafia is higher.
This is a valid take, and given my experience in elements mafia where the main strategy is to let all the dumb low-skill town kill themselves and manipulate the votes at the end.
I'll do an analysis on that in a bit but given D1 it doesn't seem particularly likely - It's more likely that the nonces're in the earlier sections, not the later one.
Also like people are saying you claimed I was scum but I can't find that in vote or in post so if you could point me to that that'd be grand
Not you, obviously, but you're free to do that in DMs or some shit idk
Also given how Oa apparently claimed I was scum and I died GN, why in all that is Holy did Naii and Link just
Casually ignore that for all of day 2?
Sorry andre, you were posting from a town point of view and I think you could do that as mafia. I wanted to hit math too but he just wasn't as likely to be a good lynch, lynching the lowest poster is usually just a cop-out.
I was hoping other people would engage in deadline shenanigans, but it just came down to me in the end. MW, you were around but didn't vote on any of the wagons, what's up with that?
EBWOP I forgot to change the vote count
andretimpa (4) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, RootRanger, Naii_the_Baf
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
Did
Did you two forget that Oa said that I was scum or something?
Why would you do this
I know this isn't helping my case at all but why would you just casually dismiss that as fuckall?
It's a good thing I'm civ or you would be deffo sus rn ngl
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 12:20:34 pm
He better not disappoint me
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 12:25:45 pm
Also given how Oa apparently claimed I was scum andIyou died GN, why in all that is Holy did Naii and Link just
Casually ignore that for all of day 2?
EBWOP
Obviously I'm not dead
T
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 29, 2021, 01:09:27 pm
Naii, what makes you think Annele is HB? And why does that make me mafia? I guarantee I would never be the first vote on my HB in this situation.
The only thing I'm basing off of is her "supposed" claim, but it's a weak argument, although other than that I don't have much else; I really need to give it more thought. Consider I think maf lynching halfblood is a good play here; if I think Annele is halfblood (more accurately, most likely to be) and you're leading the lynch, well, it's not hard to figure out. But again it's not a strong argument and the main reason I don't want to peg you as mafia for that is because of the reasoning you gave for your vote. It'd be very convenient that the halfblood, who FGs can't communicate with, just gave an immediate reason for getting lynched.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 01:21:19 pm
I guess that question also extends to root, but I trust him to have a good reason?
He better not disappoint me
Prepare to be severely disappointed.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 01:24:16 pm
Naii, what makes you think Annele is HB? And why does that make me mafia? I guarantee I would never be the first vote on my HB in this situation.
The only thing I'm basing off of is her "supposed" claim, but it's a weak argument, although other than that I don't have much else; I really need to give it more thought. Consider I think maf lynching halfblood is a good play here; if I think Annele is halfblood (more accurately, most likely to be) and you're leading the lynch, well, it's not hard to figure out. But again it's not a strong argument and the main reason I don't want to peg you as mafia for that is because of the reasoning you gave for your vote. It'd be very convenient that the halfblood, who FGs can't communicate with, just gave an immediate reason for getting lynched.
I still don't understand why you think it's a good play. The only time I'd ever lynch the HB here is if it was the counterwagon to my partner.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 29, 2021, 01:40:20 pm
*COUGHCOUGH*IANCU*COUGH*Fine, you get my exclusive readlist.
n+
TheonlyrealBeef - Promotes discussions. Doesn't bother me. Good guy.
Annele - Gave some good reads. Kinda silent, but that's not really unusual.
n
n-
Naii_the_Baf - There's no way someone who changes their forum name can be trusted.
worldwideweb3 - Actually less noisy than usual. This is concerning.
Linkcat - How are you still alive?
mathman101 - He just vanished. Pretty sure he vented.
Espithel - Wait, who the hell is this guy?
RootRanger - There's just no way he's town.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 01:44:00 pm
TheonlyrealBeef - Promotes discussions. Doesn't bother me. Good guy.
He's literally voting you.
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 01:49:21 pm
Espithel - Wait, who the hell is this guy?
Who?
I only know Mathman102.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 01:54:33 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 02:15:16 pm
Gimmie a couple of hours
The big issue here is pretty much nothing has happened this game, which is what I suspected yesterday - Which means that I'm pretty skeptical of any particular bandwagon at this time
I agree with Root that I think the nonces are more likely to be active than inactive in this game, although I'll check the activity levels of who was NK'd to confirm it. Killing inactive players gives the town the least amount of information, which means that they're more likely to cannibalise each other.
Root said he had a major scumread, so I'll wait on that before doing a more thorough read of the game. That and I barely know what I'm doing when it comes to reading people lol
All I'll say rn though is that I am the best lynch target if you're the mafia or the town, with lots of good reasons for both parties to off me today. I'm such a safe, obvious, and innocuous lynch - for both the town and the mafia - That I'm very surprised I even got the opportunity to sub in for this game. Given how safe a lynch I am, I'd wager the best mafia play today is to push a lynch on me, get closer to LyLo, and then have lots of plausible deniability during D4. It would also deny the town a lot of information (or would've before I was subbed :^)), because of how inactive Mathman was.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 29, 2021, 02:20:59 pm
I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding, right TorB?TheonlyrealBeef - Promotes discussions. Doesn't bother me. Good guy.
He's literally voting you.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 02:23:14 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 02:25:40 pm
I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding, right TorB?TheonlyrealBeef - Promotes discussions. Doesn't bother me. Good guy.
He's literally voting you.
mathman101 (1) - Annele
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Linkcat
Or not.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 29, 2021, 02:28:37 pm
Well, I was mostly just waiting on a read list. Not really sure where to move my vote to. Guess you can try convincing me of an alternate target.I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding, right TorB?TheonlyrealBeef - Promotes discussions. Doesn't bother me. Good guy.
He's literally voting you.
mathman101 (1) - Annele
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Linkcat
Or not.
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 02:31:17 pm
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman102
iancudorinmarian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Linkcat
Fixed the typos
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 02:46:22 pm
But I will anyway
lmao
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 02:49:54 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 02:52:03 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 02:59:43 pm
They left for a reason.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 29, 2021, 03:47:46 pm
Naii, please save me from this hell by giving me a reads list.
What, you don't like it?
n+
Linkcat: Bread/shitposts aside, he seems to give me rather town-ish vibes, especially given his argument for his vote on Annele. I've expressed this reads to me as town previously as well.
n
worldwideweb3: D2 readslist aside, nothing really stands out to me. I can't see many posts that aren't somehow meaningless but from else there is he's leaning further towards town than he does maf. Still not sure what I want to think of w3.
TheonlyrealBeef: From what I've observed there's nothing that leads me either way. It's not even feeling like he's going both ways, it's just a mere nothing to me.
RootRanger: We coincide in that it must have been a role ability how they found Oa, and their post about who they suspect does make sense to me-- I entertained the scenario where it's higher activity players who are mafia as well, but currently I'm not very confident in that scenario. However, that's not really indicative of alignment, and there's not really much else.
n-
Annele: I've already expressed the reason but I'm not marking them as w yet because I'm still questioning my reasoning. For now might push them towards n.
iancudorinmarian: It's day 3 already and we're in a bit of a tightrope, why the hell are you trying so hard to be useless? It's not even funny anymore, especially when you are responding with bs.
w
mathman102: If only because they claimed FFQ and I've had FFQ = mafia in my mind since D2. Still waiting to see more and if I am dissuaded from this read. Only thing they've really managed to do is confuse me.
Linkcat: Bread/shitposts aside, he seems to give me rather town-ish vibes, especially given his argument for his vote on Annele. I've expressed this reads to me as town previously as well.
n
worldwideweb3: D2 readslist aside, nothing really stands out to me. I can't see many posts that aren't somehow meaningless but from else there is he's leaning further towards town than he does maf. Still not sure what I want to think of w3.
TheonlyrealBeef: From what I've observed there's nothing that leads me either way. It's not even feeling like he's going both ways, it's just a mere nothing to me.
RootRanger: We coincide in that it must have been a role ability how they found Oa, and their post about who they suspect does make sense to me-- I entertained the scenario where it's higher activity players who are mafia as well, but currently I'm not very confident in that scenario. However, that's not really indicative of alignment, and there's not really much else.
n-
Annele: I've already expressed the reason but I'm not marking them as w yet because I'm still questioning my reasoning. For now might push them towards n.
iancudorinmarian: It's day 3 already and we're in a bit of a tightrope, why the hell are you trying so hard to be useless? It's not even funny anymore, especially when you are responding with bs.
w
mathman102: If only because they claimed FFQ and I've had FFQ = mafia in my mind since D2. Still waiting to see more and if I am dissuaded from this read. Only thing they've really managed to do is confuse me.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 29, 2021, 03:49:37 pm
worldwideweb3: My D2 readslist aside, nothing really stands out to me. I can't see many posts that aren't somehow meaningless but from else there is he's leaning further towards town than he does maf. Still not sure what I want to think of w3.
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 05:06:11 pm
mathman102: ... Only thing they've really managed to do is confuse me.
Sad day
Is there anything you want clarification on? I'm a pretty rational chap once you get past the chaotic venieer : )
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 05:47:38 pm
While I do that, anything that I consider interesting or worth pointing out will be posted here.
@math gotcha
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, shockcannon
mathman101 (1) - PlayerOa
Annele (1) - RootRanger
shockcannon (6) - iancudorinmarian, andretimpa, Naii_the_Baf, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterNoob, mathman
Naii_the_Baf (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterNoob and Timpa are dead, and I expect to be soon enough. We are all civs, as you'll find out when you lynch me today.
I believe it is highly likely that there is at least one scum voting here - That would be iancu, naii, and beef. Of these, and not taking into context anything else that happened this game, I would expect the mafia to vote later on and hammer votes - This would make naii and beef more likely
Something to investigate further after I'm dead, I suppose.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 06:02:55 pm
Naii, please save me from this hell by giving me a reads list.
What, you don't like it?n+
Linkcat: Bread/shitposts aside, he seems to give me rather town-ish vibes, especially given his argument for his vote on Annele. I've expressed this reads to me as town previously as well.
n
worldwideweb3: D2 readslist aside, nothing really stands out to me. I can't see many posts that aren't somehow meaningless but from else there is he's leaning further towards town than he does maf. Still not sure what I want to think of w3.
TheonlyrealBeef: From what I've observed there's nothing that leads me either way. It's not even feeling like he's going both ways, it's just a mere nothing to me.
RootRanger: We coincide in that it must have been a role ability how they found Oa, and their post about who they suspect does make sense to me-- I entertained the scenario where it's higher activity players who are mafia as well, but currently I'm not very confident in that scenario. However, that's not really indicative of alignment, and there's not really much else.
n-
Annele: I've already expressed the reason but I'm not marking them as w yet because I'm still questioning my reasoning. For now might push them towards n.
iancudorinmarian: It's day 3 already and we're in a bit of a tightrope, why the hell are you trying so hard to be useless? It's not even funny anymore, especially when you are responding with bs.
w
mathman102: If only because they claimed FFQ and I've had FFQ = mafia in my mind since D2. Still waiting to see more and if I am dissuaded from this read. Only thing they've really managed to do is confuse me.
Well it looks like we're on the same page. The one thing I disagree with here is on iancu, despite how frustrating it is, it also is actually still funny. But that's probably just because I'm able to laugh in any situation.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 07:01:37 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 07:03:16 pm
While I do that, anything that I consider interesting or worth pointing out will be posted here.
I don't love the andre lynch, since I don't really think he did anything wrong (it was shock's decision to reveal unnecessary info imo). But, with shock being dead, he's a confirmed civ, so I'd rather go with the person he'd want us to lynch than risk getting steered by mafia to someone else. Had a better idea for a lynch, but that was before GN died, so it is what it is.
andretimpa (3) - Linkcat, MasterNoob, RootRanger
worldwideweb3 (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian
mathman101 (2) - worldwideweb3, andretimpa
Simple question here: Who was the better idea and why?
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 29, 2021, 07:13:23 pm
It would probably be beneficial to roleclaim so we can see how many abilities could have prevented a N0 check.Does one not usually start these things with stating your own? :silly:
Arctic Squid. Unused. People should have spoken up if they were frozen, to backup it being unused. shock came to the same conclusion when he made the claim I did not use my ability N0 (Psion does not reveal that).
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 07:29:44 pm
I just want to say thank you for all the data collection you're doing each day with lynch logs and tables of suspicion
It's a trivially easy way to look towny but it should be rewarded and appreciated regardless
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 07:56:28 pm
Here are my reads:
mathman102 - +1,000,000
Theonlyfakebeef +1
Lunkcat - 0
worldwebweb7 -1
FeetRanger -1
Naii_the_Smelly -2
Annele Prolapse -3
Iancudorinmarialapratakxrajatanaphex -4
I am bad at combining reads. Instead, I'm going to detail all reasons why I think you lot are town or not town, assign those reasons a score, and then add the scores together.
1s are small reads, 2s are suspicious behaviour, and 3s are strong reasons for one or the other. Positive numbers are townie, negative numbers are nonces.
Naii:
TL;DR: Some decent town play who's worringly voted each civ later-on.
(1) During day 1, pushed for Mathman102's inferior dead corpse to post and provide more information.
(-1) During day 1, voted on Mathman102's inferior dead corpse to push it to speak, then tied a vote with shockcannon before mathman spoke, thus rendering his pushing vote useless. This vote on shockcannon was because he was unsure if "Shock was just shitposting or talking in riddles." Shockcannon is a shitposter and a riddletalker, but that doesn't make them scum or town. That's their default playstyle. Lynching for any reason other than lynching nonces is highly dubious.
(1) During day 1, Discussed pointed out legitimate flaws in Root's golden nymph plan, although this was done in a very backhanded way.
(-1) Voted and killed Shockcannon D1.
(-2) Voted, killed, and attempted to hammer Andre D2.
(0) - Has been acceptably active in contributions, and mostly consistent with argumentation.
Total score: -2
(1) During day 1, pushed for Mathman102's inferior dead corpse to post and provide more information.
(-1) During day 1, voted on Mathman102's inferior dead corpse to push it to speak, then tied a vote with shockcannon before mathman spoke, thus rendering his pushing vote useless. This vote on shockcannon was because he was unsure if "Shock was just shitposting or talking in riddles." Shockcannon is a shitposter and a riddletalker, but that doesn't make them scum or town. That's their default playstyle. Lynching for any reason other than lynching nonces is highly dubious.
(1) During day 1, Discussed pointed out legitimate flaws in Root's golden nymph plan, although this was done in a very backhanded way.
(-1) Voted and killed Shockcannon D1.
(-2) Voted, killed, and attempted to hammer Andre D2.
(0) - Has been acceptably active in contributions, and mostly consistent with argumentation.
Total score: -2
Torb:
TL;DR: Solid contributor that is difficult to pin down as scum. Only argument is that he voted strangely D1.
(+1) Posted a lynch log for D1.
Compiling useful public evidence is an easy way for anyone to look towny, including nonces, but it should be rewarded.
(+1) Posted a lynch log for D2.
Compiling useful public evidence is an easy way for anyone to look towny, including nonces, but it should be rewarded.
(-2) Voted and killed Shockcannon D1, and did so later on in the vote. This is despite him having a good reason to lynch www3 and then switched his vote to lynch Shock afterwards? What did this achieve?
(+1) Has been a solid contributor to the game with several discussions and good activity and usefulness.
Total score: +1
An aside: It's only because of Torb that this was able to be posted in such detail at all. Even if you might be scum, I just want to thank you for that. <3
(+1) Posted a lynch log for D1.
Compiling useful public evidence is an easy way for anyone to look towny, including nonces, but it should be rewarded.
(+1) Posted a lynch log for D2.
Compiling useful public evidence is an easy way for anyone to look towny, including nonces, but it should be rewarded.
(-2) Voted and killed Shockcannon D1, and did so later on in the vote. This is despite him having a good reason to lynch www3 and then switched his vote to lynch Shock afterwards? What did this achieve?
(+1) Has been a solid contributor to the game with several discussions and good activity and usefulness.
Total score: +1
An aside: It's only because of Torb that this was able to be posted in such detail at all. Even if you might be scum, I just want to thank you for that. <3
www3:
TL;DR: While useless, has not done anything that would make me believe him to be scum.
(0) Voted on Naii for no reason during day 1, even when he could've voted on Shock, then made an awful reason to justify it when poked.
While I do not appreciate voting for no reason, the fact he didn't vote on Shock makes me want to call this a 0 instead of a -1.
(-1) While active, has not contributed much of substance. Barely explained his votes. Good mafia kill N3 if he's civ. This seems to have changed D3.
(0) - Has not voted for anyone that has died. This could be an arguemnt that he's a mafia hiding in wait, but I read this is typical confused town play.
Total score: -1. This could easily be raised if he was just more helpful tbh
(0) Voted on Naii for no reason during day 1, even when he could've voted on Shock, then made an awful reason to justify it when poked.
While I do not appreciate voting for no reason, the fact he didn't vote on Shock makes me want to call this a 0 instead of a -1.
(-1) While active, has not contributed much of substance. Barely explained his votes. Good mafia kill N3 if he's civ. This seems to have changed D3.
(0) - Has not voted for anyone that has died. This could be an arguemnt that he's a mafia hiding in wait, but I read this is typical confused town play.
Total score: -1. This could easily be raised if he was just more helpful tbh
Iancu:
(-1) - Voted and killed Shockcannon.
(-3) - Massively inactive and unhelpful despite repeated prodding to contribute. Votes arbitarily and in a wishy-washy fashion. Could have been removed from this game and it would've played out the exact same. This is what I would expect the mafia to do this game given my experience in elements mafia.
(This isn't a personal attack btw. I think you're really cool and funny. You are kinda throwing the game tho)
Total Score: -4
(-3) - Massively inactive and unhelpful despite repeated prodding to contribute. Votes arbitarily and in a wishy-washy fashion. Could have been removed from this game and it would've played out the exact same. This is what I would expect the mafia to do this game given my experience in elements mafia.
(This isn't a personal attack btw. I think you're really cool and funny. You are kinda throwing the game tho)
Total Score: -4
Mathman102:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTpQw1UvC4M
Linkcat:
TL;DR: The start of elements mafia is his usual self here, although he made a serious blunder D2.
(+1) - Has been a solid, active, consistent, and useful contributor to the game. Linkcat has always adopted an active, commanding personality during games of mafia, even when a nonce, but such behaviour is to be rewarded.
(+1) - Put shortly, I have not disagreed with a single one of his takes he's made this game.
(-2) - Voted, killed, and hammered Andre D2. a bit of an unfair -2 as you would've killed a civ either way, but for the mafia keeping me alive D3 is the correct choice.
(0) - It's a rare treat for Linkcat to survive this long. A lesser player would mark this as him being scummy. I dislike such takes, especially given how long it's been since we've played mafia. Still, it is peculiar.
Total Score: 0
(+1) - Has been a solid, active, consistent, and useful contributor to the game. Linkcat has always adopted an active, commanding personality during games of mafia, even when a nonce, but such behaviour is to be rewarded.
(+1) - Put shortly, I have not disagreed with a single one of his takes he's made this game.
(-2) - Voted, killed, and hammered Andre D2. a bit of an unfair -2 as you would've killed a civ either way, but for the mafia keeping me alive D3 is the correct choice.
(0) - It's a rare treat for Linkcat to survive this long. A lesser player would mark this as him being scummy. I dislike such takes, especially given how long it's been since we've played mafia. Still, it is peculiar.
Total Score: 0
RootRanger
TL;DR: The other star of elements mafia has been playing differently than usual. Am I misremembering, or is something more foul afoot?
(+1) - Authored the golden nymph plan. While I heavily disagree with the plan for reasons Naii pointed, it was a good way to kickstart conversation and get the town talking, which is great.
(-1) - Voted and killed Andre D2. This also steered people away from www3 and the scummy mathman101, arguably being the pivot towards his lynch.
(-1) - Root has been uncharacteristically quiet this game. This is what I would expect from the mafia for this game due to how happy the game is progressing.
(0) - Much like Linkcat, it's peculiar for Root to live this long, although I welcome it. Usually, these two survive only with the consent of the mafia, and very rarely both of them. I'm happy to chalk this up to a neat coincidence or, perhaps, a very content mafia.
(0) - This read can easily shift depending on Root's upcoming post.
Total Score: -1
(+1) - Authored the golden nymph plan. While I heavily disagree with the plan for reasons Naii pointed, it was a good way to kickstart conversation and get the town talking, which is great.
(-1) - Voted and killed Andre D2. This also steered people away from www3 and the scummy mathman101, arguably being the pivot towards his lynch.
(-1) - Root has been uncharacteristically quiet this game. This is what I would expect from the mafia for this game due to how happy the game is progressing.
(0) - Much like Linkcat, it's peculiar for Root to live this long, although I welcome it. Usually, these two survive only with the consent of the mafia, and very rarely both of them. I'm happy to chalk this up to a neat coincidence or, perhaps, a very content mafia.
(0) - This read can easily shift depending on Root's upcoming post.
Total Score: -1
Annele
TL;DR - I've not had enough interactions with this person to fully determine my opinion of them in this game. Either a skilled played with an unfortunate time schedulue, or scum. Eiher way, the most interesting of the lot.
(-1) - Hasn't voted once this game, is weirdly more active than I'd expect despite that (althouhg nowhere near active enough pre-D3).
I will be lenient given they've said they've had some crazy troubles in sydney, but a more cynical person would suggest that's a cover.
(0) - Made a condolence post after Andre died, which is classic for less skilled mafia. Whether Annele is such is uncertain - We are not acquainted.
(0) - Made a projection post after being accused of nightkilling MW, which is classic for less skilled nonces. Whether Annele is such is uncertain - We are not acquainted.
(-2) - Annele is pushing the easy lynch of mathman101. This is the correct lynch for the town to do D2, and this would be a 0 or a +1 if I never subbed in. The issue is that this play is very good for the town and the mafia, depending on how I flip - I'm a good lynch target for both parties.
As a result, I claimed the scummiest role on purpose to look even scummier in Annele's eyes to see how they'd react.
The rationale is that a nonce should try and push a safe, agreeable, plausibly deniable lynch if they knew it was a civ. Claiming a roll that, in Root's words, should get you lynched immediately, should give most people pause before continuing.
Annele took the bait, the hook, the line, and the sinker.
Annele's argument for lynching me is that I'm more active (I'm one of the most active people in any game of mafia + I'm an entirely different person), which has nothing to do with how I've played thus far. This makes me confident that Annele is pushing a lynch as scum, not as town.
(-1) - Hasn't voted once this game, is weirdly more active than I'd expect despite that (althouhg nowhere near active enough pre-D3).
I will be lenient given they've said they've had some crazy troubles in sydney, but a more cynical person would suggest that's a cover.
(0) - Made a condolence post after Andre died, which is classic for less skilled mafia. Whether Annele is such is uncertain - We are not acquainted.
(0) - Made a projection post after being accused of nightkilling MW, which is classic for less skilled nonces. Whether Annele is such is uncertain - We are not acquainted.
(-2) - Annele is pushing the easy lynch of mathman101. This is the correct lynch for the town to do D2, and this would be a 0 or a +1 if I never subbed in. The issue is that this play is very good for the town and the mafia, depending on how I flip - I'm a good lynch target for both parties.
As a result, I claimed the scummiest role on purpose to look even scummier in Annele's eyes to see how they'd react.
The rationale is that a nonce should try and push a safe, agreeable, plausibly deniable lynch if they knew it was a civ. Claiming a roll that, in Root's words, should get you lynched immediately, should give most people pause before continuing.
Annele took the bait, the hook, the line, and the sinker.
Annele's argument for lynching me is that I'm more active (I'm one of the most active people in any game of mafia + I'm an entirely different person), which has nothing to do with how I've played thus far. This makes me confident that Annele is pushing a lynch as scum, not as town.
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 08:06:34 pm
mathman102 (1) - Annele
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Linkcat
Annele (1) - Mathman102
There's a chance that Annele is actually civ and this dooms us all, but I'm confident enough in my read. I'm not opposed to a iancu lynch, however.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 29, 2021, 08:13:21 pm
Switching from w3 to shock was primarily to prevent a no lynch.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 29, 2021, 08:25:33 pm
mathman102 (1) - Annele
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Linkcat
Annele (2) - Mathman102, Naii_the_Baf
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 09:16:25 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 09:32:37 pm
What does deep wolf mean
And why is iancu scum other than being hilariously inactive
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 09:33:24 pm
Post by: serprex on June 29, 2021, 09:37:14 pm
See http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-73-by-playeroa/msg1298907/#msg1298907 for a great rob vs shock thunderdome
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 29, 2021, 09:45:09 pm
Are we all claiming or nah we just gonna ignore the pesky cat
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 09:45:36 pm
Although, I would like to point out that I was the first one to bring up covering GN crumbs, so I'll take that +1 from Root, thanks.
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 09:57:50 pm
Also as far as I see it hammering someone is worse than just lynching them, and repeatedly lynching civs is the ultimate scummy thing to do as it's the ultimate way of stopping nonces of being lynched
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 10:11:57 pm
A deep wolf is a mafia that's high on the PoE. Btw, are you actually Firefly or nah?
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 29, 2021, 10:22:07 pm
I agree with Root that I think the nonces are more likely to be active than inactive in this game
Root has been uncharacteristically quiet this game. This is what I would expect from the mafia for this game due to how happy the game is progressing.
um?
Also why didnt you call me a star of elements mafia, im offended
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 10:28:31 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 10:29:27 pm
I agree with Root that I think the nonces are more likely to be active than inactive in this gameRoot has been uncharacteristically quiet this game. This is what I would expect from the mafia for this game due to how happy the game is progressing.
um?
Also why didnt you call me a star of elements mafia, im offended
Good catch!
Note that these reads are attempting to be somewhat objective and outside of context, hence the fair amount of I would've given myself a score of -6, if anyone cared, despite the fact I know my own role. It's also why Iancu scores more scumpoints despite me being far more confident in Annele's scumminess.
The important thing to note here is that nonces play to defy our expectations. Given the sheer low level of posts and information here, a good strategy here is to be active and repeatedly NK either very towny people or inactive people in order to give as little information as possible. This is a good, but unorthodox move for a nonce to do.
The equally good, orthodox thing for the scum to do when the town is weak is to be inactive and let them cannibalise each other. The town is attempting to counter this strategy, hence why I think the unorthodox strategy is more likely to happen here.
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 10:34:42 pm
...attempting to be somewhat objective and outside of context, hence the fair amount of peculiarities with them and how I'm acting.
---
Btw, are you actually Firefly or nah?I'll tell you what I am if you tell me what you are.
Bit weird for the guy saying we should roleclaim a lot to not do it his sen, y'know?
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 10:39:33 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 10:44:01 pm
I'm Guardian Angel and targeted Torb N0.
Obviously, I targeted no one the previous two nights.
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 10:45:58 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 10:49:36 pm
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 29, 2021, 10:53:59 pm
It would probably be beneficial to roleclaim so we can see how many abilities could have prevented a N0 check.Does one not usually start these things with stating your own? :silly:
Arctic Squid. Unused. People should have spoken up if they were frozen, to backup it being unused. shock came to the same conclusion when he made the claim I did not use my ability N0 (Psion does not reveal that).
I counterclaim squid, we are twins
Unused too
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 29, 2021, 11:17:09 pm
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
Annele (2) - Mathman102, Naii_the_Baf
I am completely fine with a nel kill too but am leaning ian more out of the two; Refer to readlist if u want details.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 29, 2021, 11:18:09 pm
Post by: serprex on June 29, 2021, 11:20:47 pm
Can start/end phase post links be added to the OP?
Give me the links & I'll post them
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 29, 2021, 11:24:51 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 11:29:21 pm
Just in case any'a'a need it.
Post by: Annele on June 29, 2021, 11:34:46 pm
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure that ian is hb. If he were town he should know that he's dooming us by being so unhelpful, and if he were mafia he's painting a target on his back. In the hb case, he's being very useful, delaying the lynch of another mafia. (So that actually throws my previous hb statements right out the window.) I'm now worried we have a deepwolf in link/torb making the most of this.
At the moment I'm sticking with my gut lynch but obv I think an hb kill is better than a civ kill so will switch to save myself if necessary.
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 11:36:56 pm
Not even a mention by name
P cold, mate
Post by: Annele on June 29, 2021, 11:46:19 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 11:55:21 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 29, 2021, 11:56:43 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 11:58:37 pm
lmao xd FUNNYJOKE
Post by: Espithel on June 29, 2021, 11:59:25 pm
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, Mathman102
Annele (1) - Naii_the_Baf
Preventing last-second funny business
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 30, 2021, 12:01:50 am
Post by: Espithel on June 30, 2021, 12:02:26 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 30, 2021, 12:03:11 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 30, 2021, 12:03:31 am
Don't trust you lot and I also don't trust Serp
Wise, I don't trust serp either.Heh.
Post by: Annele on June 30, 2021, 12:04:33 am
Post by: serprex on June 30, 2021, 12:08:05 am
iancudorinmarian was lynched. He was an Elemental & a Ghost of the Past
There are 2 False Gods, 1 Half Blood, & 4 Elementals. Please note that secondary roles are independent of alignment/primary role.
Sunrise.
Boo
Post by: Linkcat on June 30, 2021, 12:09:49 am
Post by: Espithel on June 30, 2021, 12:13:17 am
Safe to say, I think we're going to have to prod you a bit more thoroughly, link.
Post by: Linkcat on June 30, 2021, 12:13:39 am
Post by: Espithel on June 30, 2021, 12:14:17 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 30, 2021, 12:14:32 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 30, 2021, 12:19:39 am
Post by: worldwideweb3 on June 30, 2021, 12:24:23 am
worth me and torb looking to target possible mafia incase theyre oty? Obvious risk we may block a good town role though....
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 30, 2021, 12:28:45 am
worth me and torb looking to target possible mafia incase theyre oty? Obvious risk we may block a good town role though....Wouldn't trust others' opinion on that one. Too likely to be influenced by mafia.
Post by: Espithel on June 30, 2021, 12:31:59 am
worth me and torb looking to target possible mafia incase theyre oty? Obvious risk we may block a good town role though....Wouldn't trust others' opinion on that one. Too likely to be influenced by mafia.
You should, but I won't tell you who, other than that Linkcat is apparently seraph.
I say we kill Linkcat D4 though.
Post by: Linkcat on June 30, 2021, 12:42:20 am
Guaranteed Squid in mafia/HB, so Freeze on mathel tonight. Need Naii/Root to be GA/Oty/Warden/Flayer in very specific scenarios.
In short, it would take a miracle to survive the Night, and even if we do they're just going to mislynch me for being good so it's pretty much gg.
Post by: Linkcat on June 30, 2021, 12:44:23 am
Post by: RootRanger on June 30, 2021, 06:35:42 am
Anyways, I'm Mind Flayer, so if the lynch fails tonight, you can at least know I didn't use my ability to block GA/Seraph. My n- is Linkcat and has been for a little while but it's hard to write the right words for it, guess that's how reads work.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 30, 2021, 06:41:11 am
Post by: Espithel on June 30, 2021, 12:12:46 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 30, 2021, 12:13:12 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 30, 2021, 05:21:16 pm
Yep. Green Nymph.
Post by: Linkcat on June 30, 2021, 05:48:24 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 30, 2021, 06:03:26 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 30, 2021, 06:04:24 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 30, 2021, 06:16:55 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 30, 2021, 06:23:24 pm
Post by: serprex on July 01, 2021, 12:01:07 am
Naii the Baf was nightkilled. He was an Elemental & a Green Nymph
There are 2 False Gods, 1 Half Blood, & 3 Elementals. Please note that secondary roles are independent of alignment/primary role.
Sunset.
Post by: Linkcat on July 01, 2021, 12:14:21 am
Post by: serprex on July 01, 2021, 01:04:56 am
There's no route to victory for town. Let's not drag this out any further (realized this might not be apparent since there's some crazy sequence involving Flayer blocking Squid into GA blocking NK, but even that only happens if scum vote off hb rather than force NL to double freeze GA)
| name | primary | secondary | death | N0 | N1 | N2 | N3 |
| PlayerOa | town | golden | N1 | masterwalks | |||
| iancudorinmarian | town | ghost | D3 | ||||
| RootRanger | town | flayer | |||||
| andretimpa | town | oty | D2 | ||||
| Naii_the_Baf | town | green | N3 | explicit none | mathman102 | ||
| Annele | town | graboid | proc | ||||
| kaempfer13 | town | amber | N0 | kaempfer13 | |||
| mathman101 | town | angel | linkcat | torb | mathman102 | ||
| MasterWalks | town | dragonfly | N2 | www3 | timpa | annele | |
| shockcannon | town | psion | D1 | Torb | |||
| worldwideweb3 | FALSE | squid | Naii | ||||
| Linkcat | FALSE | seraph | proc | proc | |||
| TheonlyrealBeef | Halfblood | squid | mathman102 | ||||
| NK | kaempfer13 | PlayerOa | MasterNoob | Naii |
Post by: Espithel on July 01, 2021, 01:13:54 am
Anything being more serious
ww3 and linkcat are scum
ww3's trying to kill someone who should be technically dead for free easy LyLo wins
And linkcat is linkcat
Called it
Just saying
Post by: Espithel on July 01, 2021, 01:15:02 am
Essentially I had to fakeclaim Scum and confuse Torb into thinking that Link is actually a civ and then bully www3 into voting with me with the hopes that Root/Annele would pick up on the ruse and play along
Post by: Espithel on July 01, 2021, 01:19:08 am
Post by: Linkcat on July 01, 2021, 02:23:51 am
Anything being more serious
ww3 and linkcat are scum
ww3's trying to kill someone who should be technically dead for free easy LyLo wins
And linkcat is linkcat
Called it
Just saying
If anyone's wondering why I went so hard on the last day, this is why. I also spent a ridiculous amount of time thinking over every possible combination of roles and targets Night 3. Surprisingly everyone was telling the truth, glad to have that stress off.
gg
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on July 01, 2021, 02:39:56 am
I'm never living past Day 3 again, am I?Not sure I want to post lynch logs again, either... :silly:
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on July 01, 2021, 02:44:05 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on July 01, 2021, 06:36:50 am
Post by: Submachine on July 01, 2021, 07:31:55 am
Here are my reads:I have the perfect response for that!
Mathman102:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTpQw1UvC4M
Post by: worldwideweb3 on July 01, 2021, 08:25:46 am
Bruh, I told you guys w3 is scum
U say that every game tho :'(
Post by: worldwideweb3 on July 01, 2021, 08:26:57 am
Lmao @w3 being false god. I knew Linkcat really early, but thought Root was the second. All those w3 votes from me, no one saw it coming. Myself included.I'm never living past Day 3 again, am I?Not sure I want to post lynch logs again, either... :silly:
You’re lucky serp ended the game, I wanted to lynch you next day phase :P
Post by: worldwideweb3 on July 01, 2021, 08:29:23 am
Post by: Linkcat on July 01, 2021, 04:38:16 pm
I was surprised we got enough players for this game. I'd say it went well enough. The plans I mentioned before for the final mafia are experiencing some difficulties, but I do have an idea for another game I want to run. If anyone else has any suggestions, or thoughts about mafia in general considering how dead the forum is, please share them here.
Post by: MasterWalks on July 01, 2021, 04:44:24 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on July 01, 2021, 05:08:48 pm
Post by: Linkcat on July 01, 2021, 05:42:38 pm
Post by: Linkcat on July 01, 2021, 06:50:33 pm
Deadpad: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G8Wi6DE1gnGAtXkXwkN7f7IXjm51iUPsmrHdlPOVa2Q/edit
I killed kaempfer N0 because I thought he'd be the most likely to find me out. Looks like I didn't need to worry.
Post by: kaempfer13 on July 01, 2021, 07:54:11 pm
I suppose even if I could have seen through you I wouldnt have guessed the team based on your needless bus day1 that almost got half of the people that mattered (for mafia) killed.
Also root was really scummy, i thought he was both more invested in mafia (so in my mind lowposting was just because he could get away with it as scum) and could have come up with better reasons to vote people, especially the andre vote was egregious (tbf i thought andre could be scum at the time too, its just the reason given behind it was both teribble and hedgy).
Post by: iancudorinmarian on July 01, 2021, 08:03:47 pm
Fippe would never do such a thing!
#FippeForAdmin
Post by: kaempfer13 on July 01, 2021, 08:24:27 pm
Obv we are a casual community when it comes to mafia, so just banning people that often dont end up contributing is not the way to go. But maybe we can somehow adjust the rules such that its easier to contribute when you have no clue how the game works and that somehow make it easier to deal with inactives (dedicated subslots or faster modkills are the usual solutions, but necessarily make the player pool smaller).
Most mafias are daystart btw to circumvent the "killed before you could do anything"-problem, but we need the nightstart since here many people dont know to do anything at all until there are some hard facts.
Also it seems like even in the games that do get solved all the action comes lategame. It is kind of an inherent problem to mafia, but i think in this community its much more pronounced than in others. Perhaps its because it takes longer here for the average player to post enough to be evaluated fairly.
Btw Link, what was it with you going so hard after your teammates this game? These were perfect circumstances to powerwolf (inactive town plus extravoting power for your side).
Post by: Espithel on July 01, 2021, 08:28:18 pm
we could probably expect Espi to join the next one
Too busy being popular and famous
sorry pup
Also people who dont post (anything usefull) are kind of a -2 (if town) for town, since often a lynch has to be wasted on them, leading to another nk. Subbing in espi makes up for one noposter, but people like ian pretty much require an inforole to contribute.
Obv we are a casual community when it comes to mafia, so just banning people that often dont end up contributing is not the way to go. But maybe we can somehow adjust the rules such that its easier to contribute when you have no clue how the game works and that somehow make it easier to deal with inactives (dedicated subslots or faster modkills are the usual solutions, but necessarily make the player pool smaller).
Most mafias are daystart btw to circumvent the "killed before you could do anything"-problem, but we need the nightstart since here many people dont know to do anything at all until there are some hard facts.
Also it seems like even in the games that do get solved all the action comes lategame. It is kind of an inherent problem to mafia, but i think in this community its much more pronounced than in others. Perhaps its because it takes longer here for the average player to post enough to be evaluated fairly.
Yup
It's why I don't join these mafias
I did come up with a ruleset ages ago that fixed the problem by having people vote for a small change to the rules each day, in addition to who should be lynched. If done well it would get people talking, but I've lost that ruleset ages ago.
Post by: MasterWalks on July 01, 2021, 08:37:16 pm
Too busy being the embodiment of internet meme culture?we could probably expect Espi to join the next oneToo busy being popular and famous
sorry pup
If we truly play casually, then we shouldn't be worried about starting in day phase. Plus it will bring No Lynch back into the meta. I don't think any of the "good" players play all that seriously, it's just the nubs like me who go sweaty
Post by: worldwideweb3 on July 01, 2021, 08:39:11 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on July 01, 2021, 08:42:52 pm
No no, we start with night phase but just no nightkillOh I like this more. We can still use ability then. +1 N0 no nk
Post by: Linkcat on July 01, 2021, 08:50:52 pm
Post by: Espithel on July 01, 2021, 08:56:30 pm
I have the perfect response for that!
Post by: Linkcat on July 01, 2021, 09:16:22 pm
Post by: RootRanger on July 01, 2021, 09:23:16 pm
It did feel pretty rough to only have 3 chances to lynch a mafia, but then again, maybe I should've just lynched correctly lol.
Post by: Espithel on July 01, 2021, 09:56:08 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on July 01, 2021, 10:21:16 pm
You know, maybe we could just play for fun instead of going for professional mafia rules on a dead forum.we could probably expect Espi to join the next one
Too busy being popular and famous
sorry pupAlso people who dont post (anything usefull) are kind of a -2 (if town) for town, since often a lynch has to be wasted on them, leading to another nk. Subbing in espi makes up for one noposter, but people like ian pretty much require an inforole to contribute.
Obv we are a casual community when it comes to mafia, so just banning people that often dont end up contributing is not the way to go. But maybe we can somehow adjust the rules such that its easier to contribute when you have no clue how the game works and that somehow make it easier to deal with inactives (dedicated subslots or faster modkills are the usual solutions, but necessarily make the player pool smaller).
Most mafias are daystart btw to circumvent the "killed before you could do anything"-problem, but we need the nightstart since here many people dont know to do anything at all until there are some hard facts.
Also it seems like even in the games that do get solved all the action comes lategame. It is kind of an inherent problem to mafia, but i think in this community its much more pronounced than in others. Perhaps its because it takes longer here for the average player to post enough to be evaluated fairly.
Yup
It's why I don't join these mafias
I did come up with a ruleset ages ago that fixed the problem by having people vote for a small change to the rules each day, in addition to who should be lynched. If done well it would get people talking, but I've lost that ruleset ages ago.
Post by: serprex on July 02, 2021, 12:24:19 am
Voting is only one name of information: who you agree is scummiest (notice this is not who you think is scummiest)
If people could give one read list per day phase, it'd greatly improve the overall experience. It doesn't need to be a good read list, it just needs to be a "here are 1-2 people I think are townish, here are 1-2 people I'm unsure about, & wow talk about PlayerScuma amirite"
Personally I'm not a fan of the free for all discussion format. But it's the best one can do with the asynchronous forum medium. Best format I've played was 10 people sitting in a circle with one minute to have their say per day, everyone arguing in sign language. Alas, I moved away from Vancouver
Maybe some crazy idea where you gut posting to this thread, instead people PM the host their reads list & lynch vote, then host posts everyone's messages, then after 2-3 rounds of that (24 hours per round) the vote is final. Maybe round 1 is message & nominations, round 2 is message & vote. Proceed to nightphase where people send in actions & may discuss freely. It sounds pretty amusing having dayphase be when everyone has to be quiet. It'd also deal with players being demotivated to participate because "I don't feel like thoroughly reading 15 pages of Linkcat & kaempfer memeing"
Alternatively avoid modkill rules by allowing players to self police by having some mechanism allowing multiple lynch targets per day, such as ties lynching both
Post by: MasterWalks on July 02, 2021, 01:41:58 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on July 02, 2021, 04:19:18 am
(...)
I did come up with a ruleset ages ago that fixed the problem by having people vote for a small change to the rules each day, in addition to who should be lynched. If done well it would get people talking, but I've lost that ruleset ages ago.
Would sound fun for a forum game in general, if not mafia
Honestly, I'm all for turning this forum into Mafia forum. The EtG game gives us a great backdrop for roles, lore, etc. Seeing as we got 13 this time, and we could probably expect Espi to join the next one, and maybe submachine and DC too, we could increase the number of players. If we held consistent Mafia games, I'm sure we would have regulars again. Now, I'm not saying to start the next mafia now, but how about not waiting an entire year to start it?
Eh, it's been too stressful for my liking these days, I saw this and kept tabs on the game but I don't think I'd have made the game much better by bein' around, sorry xD I'd personally pop in for other things maybe
Post by: Annele on July 02, 2021, 04:20:10 am
I like the idea of having a night phase with no nk so we have a chance to use abilities and get info to discuss for d1.
Post by: DoubleCapitals on July 02, 2021, 04:48:22 am
stuff
EBWOP where's Link gonna do his cast?
Post by: serprex on July 02, 2021, 10:39:49 am
stuff
EBWOP where's Link gonna do his cast?
Post by: Linkcat on July 02, 2021, 02:21:38 pm
One of the main problems here is that inactives have a much greater effect on a smaller game. With 18 players having a few inactive people isn't much of a problem because there will still be plenty of discussion, and by late game even those players will have developed to a readable point. This game, with math/iancu/Annele we had 3/12 for 25% inactive on D1, 3/10 for 30% D2, and iancu/Root were 2/8 for 25% on D3. It's unfortunate that the game only lasted 3 days, 13 players was a really awkward number.
I support no kill on N0, which probably would have extended this game by a day. It's possible to create roles that help with inactivity, and running the same setup for the fifth time wasn't helping because there's nothing to talk about regarding strategy.
Post by: Espithel on July 02, 2021, 05:03:35 pm
forced a no-lynch while he was trying to kill everyone as scum and got rewarded for it
lol
Don't know why that posted I didn't even press the enter key
You're trying to inflate your post count, I see right through you.
Remind me what game that was so I can delete the relevant posts.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291910/#msg1291910
Post by: Espithel on July 02, 2021, 05:04:41 pm
Post by: worldwideweb3 on July 02, 2021, 06:34:21 pm
Post by: Linkcat on July 02, 2021, 08:46:26 pm
forced a no-lynch while he was trying to kill everyone as scum and got rewarded for it
lol
Don't know why that posted I didn't even press the enter key
You're trying to inflate your post count, I see right through you.
Remind me what game that was so I can delete the relevant posts.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291910/#msg1291910
I was town, asleep at EoD, and the only one voting on a mafia. Either you have the wrong game or you're remembering it very incorrectly.
Post by: Espithel on July 02, 2021, 08:55:14 pm
One time no lynching was correct it was that game
telling ya mate
Post by: PlayerOa on July 02, 2021, 09:15:43 pm
Post by: Linkcat on July 03, 2021, 02:18:35 am
Post by: MasterWalks on July 03, 2021, 02:23:36 am
Post by: Annele on July 04, 2021, 04:16:32 am
Post by: Linkcat on July 04, 2021, 08:08:51 am
Post by: serprex on July 04, 2021, 12:40:31 pm
But yeah, you can feed a village with the amount of word salad I'm capable of
& lesson is "testing audio levels just say random stuff" should be calibrated towards raised voices & not "I'm keeping my voice down because testing audio levels is awkward"
Post by: PlayerOa on July 06, 2021, 08:55:01 am
Post by: Linkcat on July 06, 2021, 10:51:30 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on July 07, 2021, 08:58:01 am
Post by: Linkcat on July 07, 2021, 08:59:42 pm
Post by: worldwideweb3 on July 07, 2021, 10:23:55 pm
But we already established the fake GN checks, it couldn't have been easier.
I swear only like you and torb posted fake gn check
Post by: PlayerOa on July 07, 2021, 10:43:12 pm
But we already established the fake GN checks, it couldn't have been easier.Same reasoning as above, outing myself, especially relevant when like absolutely nobody followed through.
Post by: Linkcat on July 08, 2021, 12:22:12 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on July 08, 2021, 04:41:22 am
Not even me. I was busy pretending to be town. Knowing Link was maf, this felt like an elaborate ruse to lure out GN.But we already established the fake GN checks, it couldn't have been easier.
I swear only like you and torb posted fake gn check
Normally games shouldn't be ended early like this, but in this case everyone knew what was up. Bonus points to anyone who can point out where me and Torb signaled each other.Nobody gets bonus points :silly: Still, here's the point from which I (pretty much) knew Linkcat was mafia.
If you look at recent past mafias, killing kaempf, Link and myself tends to really kill certain discussions. So it doesn't really tell me much.
@Torb I hope it's you next and not me, nothing personal.Because Half Blood's lives are worth less than False Gods'. And that's right, it was early Day 1.
Post by: Submachine on July 09, 2021, 07:29:30 am
- Linkcat with 11 votes
- TheonlyrealBeef with 10 votes
- mathman102 with 6 votes
Post by: worldwideweb3 on July 09, 2021, 07:40:52 am
Post by: Submachine on July 09, 2021, 08:16:04 am
4. worldwideweb3 with 4 votes