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Who played the best mafia?

TheonlyrealBeef
1 (4.5%)
Linkcat
4 (18.2%)
PlayerOa
5 (22.7%)
Coffeeditto
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
Naesala
0 (0%)
worldwideweb3
2 (9.1%)
shockcannon
5 (22.7%)
iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
0 (0%)
killsdazombies
0 (0%)
serprex
1 (4.5%)
Naii_the_Baf
0 (0%)
andretimpa
4 (18.2%)
Calindu
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 12

Voting closed: September 18, 2020, 08:09:08 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302400#msg1302400
« Reply #384 on: August 25, 2020, 06:11:13 pm »
Coffee also talks a lot and says little. Link seems pretty cool.
your opinion is that Link talks less and says more than I do in this game?
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302401#msg1302401
« Reply #385 on: August 25, 2020, 06:12:03 pm »
I'll be honest with you, I totally missed the post about serprex being GN, just like I forgot to vote D1, I just felt that vig N0 with no info is bad, totally missed the fact that we actually had info.
Last game I didn't really post either, and look, I turned out to be town.
You are pretty bad at math.
This is a terrible cover. In fact just saying that makes me light read you. "Look at me! I am the exact same as last game and I wasnt scum then, so i must not be scum this game!" cmon cal.

I don't really like your scumread on kae, it just feels random as hell, since he did confirm he targeted serp N0.
I also really dislike pushing Nae to reveal like that. The only reason I pushed people to reveal is because I had an investigative role and wanted to catch people lying.

I'm more interested in andre's role, since he successfully targeted serp N0 and I do not see him mentioning his role.

I specifically said i dont scum read kae in the same message you quoted. Everything ive pointed out about kae has nothing to do with his target, but rather his ramblings. He even said he was confused and lost his marbles.

Im pushing nae because they havent said much of anything. The more people who talk the more info we have to work with. Good or bad. If you wanna argue why i pushed Nae and not shock, ian, moe, or Naii then yea we can go back and forth on that. But im just trying to get some content here.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302402#msg1302402
« Reply #386 on: August 25, 2020, 07:01:45 pm »
I'm more interested in andre's role, since he successfully targeted serp N0 and I do not see him mentioning his role.

I was Green Nymph. The reason why I targetted him is in my first post about the Golden Nymph plan (in yellow)

Well, unfortunately I rolled town again, so time for some town tips I thought of:
  • There is no good reason not to immediately reveal any Golden Nymph result you find, unless you obtained it through Vulture/Crusader.
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  • You can only roll each role once as Fate Egg, this means that claiming every single action will make it easier to deduce your possible roles. So don't go around claiming everything unless you have a good idea on how that helps town.

I also have a radical suggestion: for someone that rolled the Golden Nymph role to claim. They could be targeted by Crusaders and Dragonflies, Dragonflies will monitor and reveal any mafia with disruptive abilities trying to get Golden Nymph from using theirs. Having them get (Night)killed N0 is a bonus, since every time someone randoms Vulture afterwards, they'll then turn into a cop (or have that option, it's the best option as town, right?).

EoD is 3am for me, so don't get your hopes up on me being on for it.

I think it would be interesting for FFQ to target the GN too, in order to have a way to check if the plan went through.

Amber Nymph targetting GN could also get around a mafia!Anubis trying to pass off as a Seraph (getting themselves immaterial to avoid investigation). But then again, a mafia!Anubis could just target GN and combo it with the NK.

Anyway, having more people targetting GN besides just crusaders and dragonflies makes it harder for a scum!dragonfly to find out who our more permanent GN is.

A more aggressive version of the plan is to just have a town!Oty devour the GN. In this case, FFQ and crusader can still do their work, while a scum!dragonfly would fail in trying to find the new GN and as a bonus the vultures can fetch GN too.

Overall I think the plan is +EV for town and I like our odds.

This is also exactly why I reacted like this about your info

andre i cant tell if you are joking, but it seems clear to me that cal and i are not a team.

I still think there is a chance you are town, just didn't had time to process how things stand after rob's clarification.

The info Cal revealed warrants a lynch by principle imo
that is, I was crowding GN a little to make a Sader harder to track down

Your info on the other hand just told mafia that me and kae (if he was roleswapping Oty) were the only possible candidates for a Sader!GN (which was the whole point of the plan), your follow up reduced the POE to just me. That info should have only seen the light of day as a CC to someone faking to be Sader!GN, since no disruption to the plan happened (like a warden for example). This tells me that you are either scum or really bad at this.

The only silver lining of the way the plan went down is that at least we can get Vulture!GN now
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302403#msg1302403
« Reply #387 on: August 25, 2020, 08:46:04 pm »
welp, unfortunate we didnt get a gnsader, but at least that makes calindus claim not backfire as badly.
Considering calindu would have been within his right to assume i was lying about my role with the incorrect information he was given, there was nothing wrong with his motivation to claim. It is what it is.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302404#msg1302404
« Reply #388 on: August 25, 2020, 09:20:14 pm »
This is a terrible cover. In fact just saying that makes me light read you. "Look at me! I am the exact same as last game and I wasnt scum then, so i must not be scum this game!" cmon cal.

But this has been your motivation of voting in a previous mafia, "Oh look, Calindu plays similar to the way he played in a mafia game, so he must mafia".

Im pushing nae because they havent said much of anything. The more people who talk the more info we have to work with. Good or bad. If you wanna argue why i pushed Nae and not shock, ian, moe, or Naii then yea we can go back and forth on that. But im just trying to get some content here.

I don't argue about your push on Nae, I'm just not sure why your push was pretty much asking for a role reveal.

This tells me that you are either scum or really bad at this.

Why would I ever claim my info if I were mafia? Wouldn't it have been infinitely better to just keep it shut and not reveal my info if I were mafia, since I would know only you could know I targeted serp? I didn't force anyone to reveal with my own reveal, I just think getting the info out early can help in this type of setup.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302405#msg1302405
« Reply #389 on: August 25, 2020, 10:06:09 pm »
Coffee also talks a lot and says little. Link seems pretty cool.
your opinion is that Link talks less and says more than I do in this game?
Yeah.

Before you ask, when Link says random silly things, its clear that they're random silly things. That doesn't count towards how much he talks.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302406#msg1302406
« Reply #390 on: August 25, 2020, 10:16:07 pm »
This is a terrible cover. In fact just saying that makes me light read you. "Look at me! I am the exact same as last game and I wasnt scum then, so i must not be scum this game!" cmon cal.

But this has been your motivation of voting in a previous mafia, "Oh look, Calindu plays similar to the way he played in a mafia game, so he must mafia".
Actually, i was killed last game for acting differently.

Im pushing nae because they havent said much of anything. The more people who talk the more info we have to work with. Good or bad. If you wanna argue why i pushed Nae and not shock, ian, moe, or Naii then yea we can go back and forth on that. But im just trying to get some content here.

I don't argue about your push on Nae, I'm just not sure why your push was pretty much asking for a role reveal.

ya a role reveal for last round, because with Fate Eggs, why wouldnt we be claiming? And the question as to who they are targetting tonight, i made sure to word in a way that they should only reveal that if it will help to go back on. They apparently thought it might help.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302407#msg1302407
« Reply #391 on: August 26, 2020, 03:18:39 am »
To be fair, when asking for info roles to out nobody said not to claim extra targets on serp, so I give Cal a pass on that one. And Cal, the reason you would claim as mafia is so nobody questions how mafia knew to kill andre.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302408#msg1302408
« Reply #392 on: August 26, 2020, 09:29:29 pm »
Ded thread ded town
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302411#msg1302411
« Reply #393 on: August 27, 2020, 12:28:20 am »
Theres just nothing to say really, as long as the other vultures dont get NK'd tonight its an easy win.

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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302412#msg1302412
« Reply #394 on: August 27, 2020, 12:40:30 am »
One of the previous two posts is an incorrect assessment, and for once it's not MW.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302413#msg1302413
« Reply #395 on: August 27, 2020, 12:50:24 am »
What a twist

 

anything
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