MW, I would like you to reread through and let me know which PM I sent that said I didn't want to vig unless someone hardclaims. I just read through all of them and the closest thing is asking your opinion on whether or not Link is GN before he started spouting all roles, and agreeing with your scumread on serp.
The one where you said im pushing too hard referenced your post about wanting a hardclaim. I cant quote your PM here as that against rules iirc. But it was the lat PM you sent. Sad we didnt get to say goodbye :'( was lonely after rob said i couldnt pm anymore.
Also, you're tunneling me? That's what this is?
What? No. I'm tunneling w3. I put you on the list because you didnt claim deja and just wanted a breadcumb in case you choose not to claim.
tbh i wanted to send a pm about being sad we wouldn't be able to chat any more but it was an hour before deadline, so :/
as far as my pm correspondence with you goes, i referred you to my last post, that being this post:
shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
No vig (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
kaempf's trying to instigate town to vig my check, stay classy
well gn obv shouldnt target what everyone agrees to be the vigtarget.
GN should claim, but as town we should decide not to eat them if they don't want to be eaten, otherwise it's pretty unlikely they'll actually claim. I at least will not be eating them against their will. I'll probably just eat w3 since it will make me laugh the most.
I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asap
Here are multiple instances in which you interacted with serprex, who repeatedly softed that he is GN. You missed this after saying you're hypervigilant to slips last game? How much more reliable does this have to get?
More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.
No. If we kill GN N1, then every single vulture roll late in the game will get GN. Why have 1 GN running around wasting time when we can have 4 and get everyone targeted. You cant play firestall in mafia.
I think TorB's point here is that the vig should be targetted on a specific claim of GN, not a random vig as kae was suggesting with shock. I firmly believe that a randomvig is not the best idea until we get more information, especially if an otyugh eats a toadfish, and a n0 GN vig should be the only vig for most of the game that we should consider. There are few downsides besides the numbers game. Everything else can be watched or outed by the notifications that come after someone is eaten.
i understand how you may have been confused by my intent here, but I was vying for the vig of someone claiming GN, not a randomvig/vig outside of GN claim. The hard claim vs soft is beside the point of the post.
mb on the tunneling thing.
I switched so readily because the point of "Enjoyable game" vs "Autowin" is one that carries a lot of weight, if only because it will make everyone have a much better time, and, will allow dead players to get back into a new game ASAP. Extending a 6 cycle game into 10 or something is an extra week of waiting and watching.
I still think there is a valid conversation on which is best in terms of winning the game, but its no contest as to which is the more enjoyable. Plus I already said I would kill w3.
I agree that the former is true and valid. I wasn't thinking from the perspective of a dead person, because that's not me yet mb. I want to ask you, why do you want to kill w3 and do you think that having the conversation about optimal strategy is valuable if you've just conceded to the more enjoyable way?
Valuable from a theory standpoint, but I meant valid not valuable. By valid, I mean that it should still be on the table, and I do think it is the "best" option but in this case I don't believe best is most enjoyable. Plus the more I thought about it the more I realized I would just use it as an excuse to check out.
As for the w3, he pushed back against the GN kill, which in the moment seems fine, but under the hindsight of a dead mafia member, it makes me uneasy. Further, W3 plays like scum anyway, so I don't mind the kill, and lastly, I just want to. If someones going to die, it may as well be a person that went against a (Hindsight) mafia kill. But obviously I can be swayed by something of substance
I can agree with the first part.
As for the second about w3, this is just echoing what everyone else has said in a more elaborate fashion. However, I agree that this is adequate reasoning to lynch w3, but will withhold from voting on him until MW persuades me with more reads or reasoning.
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