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Who played the best mafia?

TheonlyrealBeef
1 (4.5%)
Linkcat
4 (18.2%)
PlayerOa
5 (22.7%)
Coffeeditto
0 (0%)
MasterWalks
0 (0%)
Naesala
0 (0%)
worldwideweb3
2 (9.1%)
shockcannon
5 (22.7%)
iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
0 (0%)
killsdazombies
0 (0%)
serprex
1 (4.5%)
Naii_the_Baf
0 (0%)
andretimpa
4 (18.2%)
Calindu
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 12

Voting closed: September 18, 2020, 08:09:08 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302221#msg1302221
« Reply #216 on: August 23, 2020, 02:50:27 pm »
People who supported GN kill after serp softed:
Coffee
MW
andre
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Naii

Before:
iancu
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Nae

Didn't address directly:
Oa
Cal
shock

Said a lot about but did not commit to one side:
kae

Against:
w3

I'd put my vote on w3 right now but sadly I rolled Graboid.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302222#msg1302222
« Reply #217 on: August 23, 2020, 03:03:22 pm »
My current stance is that the ones who avoided the topic are slightly more suspicious than people like w3. Yeah, I do realize I might have drawn a short stick here, as I'm kinda in that group as well, but not really much I can do about it now is it. serp pulling up the numbers gives w3's stance a bit more credibility in my book, but then again, serp flipped scum GN and probably just wanted to survive a potential vig.

As for no lynch... dunno, a bit conflicted there. I'm fine with lynching any of non-GN-supporters at this current game state, unless anyone has some N0 juice that can point towards something.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302223#msg1302223
« Reply #218 on: August 23, 2020, 03:26:56 pm »
Oh lol, rob just  messaged me that i was roleblocked and he sent me the wrong message. Cmon dude who's gonna believe me that? I know its angly, but you have to confirm that as it caused major confusion.

Multiple Devour actions targeting the same person is decided by RNG.

Of the abilities that have lower priority than the Nightkill, only Inflate and Devour are unable to resolve on a dead target.

Whether you were roleblocked or your ability could not resolve for another reason, you should have simply gotten a message saying that your ability failed. There's no distinction between the different causes.


Okay, can we get some sort of clarification here? Because this is pretty important and I don't take lightly to someone immediately placing blame on me, especially since I did not have a role blocking role last night. So the only options here are:

1.) kaempf got that message because he RNGed second devour, and therefore since Linkcat already killed, his action failed
2.) someone else roleblocked kaempf for real, probably to frame me, since I said I was going to target kaempf
3.) kaempf is lying for some reason. The only that I can think of is to get an easy lynch on me and avoid providing wagonomics on others, which he knows is a safe play and unlikely to hurt his town cred even if I flip town.


So yeah, either kaempf or rob really needs to clarify some stuff here.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302224#msg1302224
« Reply #219 on: August 23, 2020, 03:54:56 pm »
Should investigative roles claim what they have seen last night? Or should they wait for more claims from everyone and only claim if they spot a lie?
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302225#msg1302225
« Reply #220 on: August 23, 2020, 04:01:45 pm »
You know, we could solve the crisis by just killing kae

Should investigative roles claim what they have seen last night? Or should they wait for more claims from everyone and only claim if they spot a lie?
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302226#msg1302226
« Reply #221 on: August 23, 2020, 04:03:18 pm »
Exploring the wait for everyone to become vulture exploit:
This bans vigshots and roleblocks and allows lynches only when someone claims a red check. Here we will assume that all town players follow the policy. For simplicity's sake I will assume noone rolled vulture yet and therefor no nightkill dodges happen either. Starting now we have 9 nights+ any scumkill to go (- scum vigging, but with the policy in place only toadfishs could hope to get away with it). In night 9 on average 45% of players will have become vulture and this is completely ignoring crusader which has roughly the same odds (but many of them will come live when its not easy to hit a vulture)!

Yep, actually this is a valid strategy surprisingly. So if we want to go resident sleeper i didnt want to solve anyway, we can absolutely go for it and have a somewhat above 50% of winning!
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302227#msg1302227
« Reply #222 on: August 23, 2020, 04:05:45 pm »
oh i forgot roling gn regularly. So yh residentsleeper strat is optimal, if we didnt even wanna play anyway. We have to agree to commit to it though otherwise it gets much worse.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302228#msg1302228
« Reply #223 on: August 23, 2020, 04:08:20 pm »
Oh lol, rob just  messaged me that i was roleblocked and he sent me the wrong message. Cmon dude who's gonna believe me that? I know its angly, but you have to confirm that as it caused major confusion.

Multiple Devour actions targeting the same person is decided by RNG.

Of the abilities that have lower priority than the Nightkill, only Inflate and Devour are unable to resolve on a dead target.

Whether you were roleblocked or your ability could not resolve for another reason, you should have simply gotten a message saying that your ability failed. There's no distinction between the different causes.


Okay, can we get some sort of clarification here? Because this is pretty important and I don't take lightly to someone immediately placing blame on me, especially since I did not have a role blocking role last night. So the only options here are:

1.) kaempf got that message because he RNGed second devour, and therefore since Linkcat already killed, his action failed
2.) someone else roleblocked kaempf for real, probably to frame me, since I said I was going to target kaempf
3.) kaempf is lying for some reason. The only that I can think of is to get an easy lynch on me and avoid providing wagonomics on others, which he knows is a safe play and unlikely to hurt his town cred even if I flip town.


So yeah, either kaempf or rob really needs to clarify some stuff here.
All i know is that rob told me a lot of things i wasnt supposed to see and that i was roleblocked. If it wasnt you than I'm 90% sure it was scum blocking me (with you it's rand, but this time around you arent even contributing, hence I wouldnt miss you at all)
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302229#msg1302229
« Reply #224 on: August 23, 2020, 04:11:12 pm »
derp i forgot its 12vs2 now so we have 10 nights guaranteed without vigs and lynches.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302230#msg1302230
« Reply #225 on: August 23, 2020, 04:16:32 pm »
The reason why it's so good is because the chance of rolling vulture increases every night that you dont get it and gives existing vultures more nights on average as well, hence why it is worth it if we keep it up consistently.
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302231#msg1302231
« Reply #226 on: August 23, 2020, 04:18:10 pm »
so
no lynch(1)kaempfer13

do you guys seriously want lynchlog when only 7 players voted btw?
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Re: Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67948.msg1302232#msg1302232
« Reply #227 on: August 23, 2020, 04:19:51 pm »
*6 2 of which already flipped
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