Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp

[TheonlyrealBeef]

You're using lynches to get information as town, correct? What kind of information are you hoping to gain from an N0 vig? If someone is about to get lynched, they can make claims about the information they gathered or the suspicions they have and have town accept them as not a mafia ploy when that person dies and flips town. As long as a GN dies tonight or day 1, I still have faith in the potential for a lot of information to be gathered by town without relying on killing people. I might even favor no lynch day 1 if someone dies as Golden Nymph tonight, unless someone has specific information that leads them to believe someone is mafia.

The crucial point is that not lynching people does not necessarily cause the game to go stale with no new info for town on whom the mafia are in this game, while town is being picked off one by one. This is a crucial point on why no lynch is generally bad.

[kaempfer13]

We have wagonomics all the same; the info is the same as if we lynched someone if people could be arsed to do things. and as serprex mathed gn vulturing on average is not enough to solve the game.

[Linkcat]

So we got a GN or nah? I mean, I'm a GN, but I'm the kind we deserve, not the kind we need right now.

[MasterWalks]

shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
No vig (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Linkcat (1) - MasterWalks

Hes been the only one to claim GN, troll or not.

Also, @TORB I dont understand the mental gymnastics youre pulling. There isnt really a strong downside to vigging in a game where no role is permanent.

[Calindu]

shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
No vig (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
Linkcat (1) - MasterWalks

To me it seems silly to vig N0. It's in no way a no lynch vote, because for no lynch multiple people have to openly vote and decide on that. Vig N0 gives us little to no information about the possible mafia teams, and it's only good if we actually hit a mafia, but it would be a blind shot.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Hes been the only one to claim GN, troll or not.

serprex says hi.

Also, @TORB I dont understand the mental gymnastics youre pulling. There isnt really a strong downside to vigging in a game where no role is permanent.

More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.

[worldwideweb3]

Whyre we voting, I haven’t read rules but has it been changed that you vote at night instead?

[kaempfer13]

torb there is no reliable gn claim rn, so you really cant count on that plan. on average the night action only game results in a townloss so we really need to use all the power we can get.

@cal Not enough people can be arsed to vote so this vote isnt representative so ill no lynch is one of the worst reasons to no lynch yet

[MasterWalks]

More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.

No. If we kill GN N1, then every single vulture roll late in the game will get GN. Why have 1 GN running around wasting time when we can have 4 and get everyone targeted. You cant play firestall in mafia.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.

No. If we kill GN N1, then every single vulture roll late in the game will get GN. Why have 1 GN running around wasting time when we can have 4 and get everyone targeted. You cant play firestall in mafia.

If you want to vig GN, Link doesn't make sense to me. His current claims aren't worth shit. I'm talking about non-GN vigs in that post.

[Coffeeditto]

shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
No vig (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex

kaempf's trying to instigate town to vig my check, stay classy

well gn obv shouldnt target what everyone agrees to be the vigtarget.

GN should claim, but as town we should decide not to eat them if they don't want to be eaten, otherwise it's pretty unlikely they'll actually claim. I at least will not be eating them against their will. I'll probably just eat w3 since it will make me laugh the most.

I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asap

Here are multiple instances in which you interacted with serprex, who repeatedly softed that he is GN. You missed this after saying you're hypervigilant to slips last game? How much more reliable does this have to get?

More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.

No. If we kill GN N1, then every single vulture roll late in the game will get GN. Why have 1 GN running around wasting time when we can have 4 and get everyone targeted. You cant play firestall in mafia.

I think TorB's point here is that the vig should be targetted on a specific claim of GN, not a random vig as kae was suggesting with shock. I firmly believe that a randomvig is not the best idea until we get more information, especially if an otyugh eats a toadfish, and a n0 GN vig should be the only vig for most of the game that we should consider. There are few downsides besides the numbers game. Everything else can be watched or outed by the notifications that come after someone is eaten.

[Coffeeditto]

TorB ninja'd me with his post.