Do we want otys/toadfish to claim? Especially in case of oty its likely for actually correct play to cause an uproar as its going to be revealed the same night.
Regardless i think it a good idea to hold a vote in the night, where otys/toadfish target the "lynchvote". This doubles our wagonomics as well. It also makes townotys actually using their ability (as they should) less devisive and leashes scumotys to potentially target one of their own.
There's no reason for a scum oty/toadfish to claim here, as they can just as easily hide in the countless other roles assigned. Unless someone manages to catch a lucky dragonfly/psion, there's no way to confirm or deny someone's identity. I'm not opposed to the idea of a lynchvote, but keep in mind that around 1/5 of the members are maf and there's that same chance that one of them is the people that people auto-read as town because of playstyle (TorB, sometimes kae(you)).
Wouldn't vigis not have a huge chance to be roleblocked? Possibly even through the nightkill, since that takes priority over Inflate and Devour. Mafia can even protect a townie this way, in hopes of setting up a mislynch the day after. I'd rather risk a double vig on the same target, than have them claim before their ability has been used, the day after works just as well for claiming, no?
This reads kind of oddly. You would rather trust that vigging roles will out after their target dies than before? I'm not concerned with being roleblocked, as that puts pressure on whoever roleblocked the kill to either out themselves as a roleblocking role or as mafia. There's the possibility that it could be mafia trying to cast suspicion on the agreed kill for roleblocking the outted vig roles, but that would deter roleblocking roles from the GN if we have one.
Scum faking GN might prove to be trouble, but I feel like that's a somewhat risky move, drawing so much attention. I'm just brainstorming at this phase. But I feel like scenarios 1&2 look town-positive in my eyes, scenario 3 is neutral and scenario 4 is scum-positive, so all in all the odds should be in our favour.
A setup like this minimally punishes a fake cop claim. If a scum claims to have rolled golden nymph after someone else claims to have rolled them, or they actually did roll GN, they can fake inno their partner or maf claim the other GN. It's a trade for sure, but i wouldn't put it past some players here even if it's not worth for them in the long run.
A more aggressive version of the plan is to just have a town!Oty devour the GN. In this case, FFQ and crusader can still do their work, while a scum!dragonfly would fail in trying to find the new GN and as a bonus the vultures can fetch GN too.
This only works if we go against the idea of waiting to out who the oty was, as we can't guarantee there's a FFQ in the game unless they out as well, and then we have too many role claims imo.
But having GN die is just pro town, since every future town Vulture roll also becomes GN. No need to bother with protection, just the threat of having every future Vulture roll turn another town into cop is all the protection GN needs.
I agree with this. The optimal move is to have a GN dead ASAP so we can start converting as many vultures as we can as soon as we can. The only issue after that point is cross checking reports somehow, so claims can't hide behind fake reports.
What an interesting double edged sword. A question then, is it beneficial to use an otyugh on a GN to ensure they die and set up all future vultures? Or are we living in a world where we would rather a GN dying be a happy accident?
This depends heavily on whether we want to get a free report but risk losing possible extra golden nymphs. I would rather have a guarenteed kill here with the otyugh also outing beforehand; they should have nothing to fear if they are town.
It's only beneficial to claim as Golden Nymph, while there are no dead Golden Nymphs. Having them stay alive has the benefit of enjoying the same kind of protection next night (it's only for first few nights, after that Vulture GN comes too late and it's better to let the original just do their work), allowing them to claim as well, making them endow-able, too.
Since we also lose the result of the ability usage by having Golden Nymph die, on top of getting killed for claiming not being a good motivator to get people to claim, I would rather have the Golden Nymph have the last say in that.
I would rather not, as we're not guaranteed to have a GN alive tonight and the protection from being a mafia having rolled GN is a little unruly. I think GN should claim now, so we have the maximum potential benefit in the future. To have one possibly faked report does not beat out having multiple cops possibly by n1.
The implications of this line of thinking are wide. If we collectively take a hard stance on this, does that mean if someone claims to have gotten GN night 1 later on they should be sus'd for it? Does that make the otyugh eating a GN a town move? What a strange game.
They should only be sus'd for it if another GN does not come forward well before the deadline. I also assume you mean N0 here. I see no reason why getting it later than N0 would be sus. As far as otyugh eating GN, as of right now, it's NAI but it benefits the town.
So if GN does claim, will mafia actually kill them? The sooner GN dies the sooner we can have multiple GNs. I say GN claims and a kill role kills them off since its unlikely maf will use NK on them.
shock & I are deja vus
You AND shock rolled deja N0? seems unlikely.
Oh, I didn't think deja was actually a role in this game. I was just shit posting. Or maybe I was soft hinting why I might be protecting shock from a policy lynch tomorrow
This is an awkward interaction on both fronts. For one, serprex is just like dumbtelling? or something? here, and for two, MasterWalks seems to have neglected that the rules state...
Deja Vu - Passive
Deja Vu - You may communicate with your fellow Deja Vu by PM at any time, even if your ability is blocked. If a player Hatches into a Deja Vu, there will be at least one other player with the same role. A player's alignment has no impact on whether or not they receive this role.
GN should claim, but as town we should decide not to eat them if they don't want to be eaten, otherwise it's pretty unlikely they'll actually claim. I at least will not be eating them against their will. I'll probably just eat w3 since it will make me laugh the most.
Agree that GNs should claim. I hope there's another one because I really don't want to be the first Nightkill two games in a row.
Toadfish and Otyugh should not claim. You'll find out who I targeted when we get to N1.
Soft claim ALL the roles!
I'm not going to soft claim all the roles, that would be silly. I'll only soft the one that I have. Which in this case happens to be a little on the spooky side.
Alright guys, enough messing around. I finally looked at my role PM. I won't say what it is, but it rhymes with Kind Slayer.
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I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asap
shock & I are deja vus
So, nice soft and hard, but if you really are GN here, it has been discussed and agreed that you are an optimal vighit n0. It's too risky not to have the role available for vultures and to gain permanent GNs, especially because of the possibility of not rolling one again for a while.
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