Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp

[PlayerOa]

Alright, no worries. The point TorB made about Vultures deemed Angels useless anyway.

So now we're living in a world where claiming GN gives a better chance of staying alive. 2020 never stops surprising huh

[killsdazombies]

What an interesting double edged sword. A question then, is it beneficial to use an otyugh on a GN to ensure they die and set up all future vultures? Or are we living in a world where we would rather a GN dying be a happy accident?

[MasterWalks]

So if GN does claim, will mafia actually kill them? The sooner GN dies the sooner we can have multiple GNs. I say GN claims and a kill role kills them off since its unlikely maf will use NK on them.

shock & I are deja vus

You AND shock rolled deja N0? seems unlikely.

I have all the best words, talking is my strength. So this is not a problem.

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I don't fear for Link dying N0, honestly. But he will always make a juicy target.

Already townreading someone just because they took charge when signups ran out? isnt this what killed town last game?

[MasterWalks]

What an interesting double edged sword. A question then, is it beneficial to use an otyugh on a GN to ensure they die and set up all future vultures? Or are we living in a world where we would rather a GN dying be a happy accident?

So if GN does claim, will mafia actually kill them? The sooner GN dies the sooner we can have multiple GNs. I say GN claims and a kill role kills them off since its unlikely maf will use NK on them.

:ninja:

[andretimpa]

What an interesting double edged sword. A question then, is it beneficial to use an otyugh on a GN to ensure they die and set up all future vultures? Or are we living in a world where we would rather a GN dying be a happy accident?

If you consider that there are 15-ish players for 25-ish roles, and that people don't get each role more than once, than a GN in the graveyard sounds excellent for town.

[andretimpa]

:ninja:

A more aggressive version of the plan is to just have a town!Oty devour the GN. In this case, FFQ and crusader can still do their work, while a scum!dragonfly would fail in trying to find the new GN and as a bonus the vultures can fetch GN too.

true ninjas don't get seen 

[TheonlyrealBeef]

It's only beneficial to claim as Golden Nymph, while there are no dead Golden Nymphs. Having them stay alive has the benefit of enjoying the same kind of protection next night (it's only for first few nights, after that Vulture GN comes too late and it's better to let the original just do their work), allowing them to claim as well, making them endow-able, too.
Since we also lose the result of the ability usage by having Golden Nymph die, on top of getting killed for claiming not being a good motivator to get people to claim, I would rather have the Golden Nymph have the last say in that.

[killsdazombies]

The implications of this line of thinking are wide. If we collectively take a hard stance on this, does that mean if someone claims to have gotten GN night 1 later on they should be sus'd for it? Does that make the otyugh eating a GN a town move? What a strange game.

It's only beneficial to claim as Golden Nymph, while there are no dead Golden Nymphs. Having them stay alive has the benefit of enjoying the same kind of protection next night (it's only for first few nights, after that Vulture GN comes too late and it's better to let the original just do their work), allowing them to claim as well, making them endow-able, too.
Since we also lose the result of the ability usage by having Golden Nymph die, on top of getting killed for claiming not being a good motivator to get people to claim, I would rather have the Golden Nymph have the last say in that.

I think were all just speaking on this plan for n1/2, I dont think this line of thinking is valid after that as you said, because of endow.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

The implications of this line of thinking are wide. If we collectively take a hard stance on this, does that mean if someone claims to have gotten GN night 1 later on they should be sus'd for it?

I think any GN Fate Egg random roll that did not come with an immediate result claim the day after is suspicious, regardless.

There might be reasons to not claim if you're Golden Nymph, but the one that most stands out is -as mafia- to not want town to endow you. So I can support that stance.

[iancudorinmarian]

I like the plan of having the GN claim and die for the greater good.

[killsdazombies]

Hm. I can see that being correct. I don't think I ever really considered the idea of killing off our GN before it was just suggested, I think I need a bit to really consider it. There may be more questions in the near future

[moehrpi]

The implications of this line of thinking are wide. If we collectively take a hard stance on this, does that mean if someone claims to have gotten GN night 1 later on they should be sus'd for it?

I think any GN Fate Egg random roll that did not come with an immediate result claim the day after is suspicious, regardless.

There might be reasons to not claim if you're Golden Nymph, but the one that most stands out is -as mafia- to not want town to endow you. So I can support that stance.

You say any but do you mean GN #2+? Not claiming red peek does imply they are town? If GN died that night we see it as a result of the NK. This does not work if there is more than one GN. In which case a permanent GN might be forced to claim in order to see who targeted whom. This is troublesome but

Oh right, town does not see who got targeted. In that case kill GN N0 please.