Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp

[Linkcat]

Soft claim ALL the roles!

I'm not going to soft claim all the roles, that would be silly. I'll only soft the one that I have. Which in this case happens to be a little on the spooky side.

[kaempfer13]

well you necessarily softed a role that you dont have when you soft 2

[moehrpi]

Well, if the person to be vigged can block the vig, I could see them do that as either alignment. I could argue it's bad town play since they are likely to just get lynched the next day, but I don't think this would prevent, say w3, from blocking the vig. This tells us nothing about the alignment of the one that would have vigged if he's town. If target and vig are both mafia, you wouldn't see anyone die either. They could pretend to be roleblocked and not use, or use if they can block it just in case someone is watching.

Toadfish and Otyugh should not claim. You'll find out who I targeted when we get to N1.

Soft claim ALL the roles!

I have all the best words, talking is my strength. So this is not a problem.

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I don't fear for Link dying N0, honestly. But he will always make a juicy target.

[serprex]

shock & I are deja vus

[rob77dp]

HOST CLARIFICATION:

Crusader and Vulture do not endow or scavenge the Fate Egg role. Vulture would gain the ability listed last in the target's death-post notification. Crusader would gain the ability last 'acquired' by the target.

The thing about claiming golden nymph is that your ability can be prevented through the nightkill, so its only worth if a town!crusader or town!angel exists. Additionaly due to lack of claimpower it's hard to keep track of people roleblocking. Also i think vulture can only get crusaded roles or fate egg regardless of when the target died.

[andretimpa]

Well, unfortunately I rolled town again, so time for some town tips I thought of:

• There is no good reason not to immediately reveal any Golden Nymph result you find, unless you obtained it through Vulture/Crusader.
• Not voting to hide Graboids identity can be extra helpful now that Graboids are forced to not vote before they are invincible.
• You can only roll each role once as Fate Egg, this means that claiming every single action will make it easier to deduce your possible roles. So don't go around claiming everything unless you have a good idea on how that helps town.

I also have a radical suggestion: for someone that rolled the Golden Nymph role to claim. They could be targeted by Crusaders and Dragonflies, Dragonflies will monitor and reveal any mafia with disruptive abilities trying to get Golden Nymph from using theirs. Having them get (Night)killed N0 is a bonus, since every time someone randoms Vulture afterwards, they'll then turn into a cop (or have that option, it's the best option as town, right?).

EoD is 3am for me, so don't get your hopes up on me being on for it.

I think it would be interesting for FFQ to target the GN too, in order to have a way to check if the plan went through.

Amber Nymph targetting GN could also get around a mafia!Anubis trying to pass off as a Seraph (getting themselves immaterial to avoid investigation). But then again, a mafia!Anubis could just target GN and combo it with the NK.

Anyway, having more people targetting GN besides just crusaders and dragonflies makes it harder for a scum!dragonfly to find out who our more permanent GN is.

A more aggressive version of the plan is to just have a town!Oty devour the GN. In this case, FFQ and crusader can still do their work, while a scum!dragonfly would fail in trying to find the new GN and as a bonus the vultures can fetch GN too.

Overall I think the plan is +EV for town and I like our odds.

[PlayerOa]

Well, Endow hits before nightkill so might be worth it for the Nymph to claim. The scenarios with Crusader and Angel are as following (with the underlying base that the roles are in the hand of town, ofc):

1) Both Crusader & Angel exists: Doc and Crusader on GN, and we have a permanent, incognito GN
2) Crusader exists but not Angel: Crusader gets GN with the likely scenario that the original GN dies. One vanilla Egg dies for a permanent GN, seems reasonable to me
3) Crusader does not exist but Angel does: Angel heals GN so he can't die and we get 1 confirmed affinity. This is what likely would have happened anyway, unless scum lucked out and blindly hit GN (hi w3 )
4) Neither Crusader nor Angel exists: GN sails up as a likely NK, which is pretty lame. But scum might be paranoid there is an angel alive, dunno

Scum faking GN might prove to be trouble, but I feel like that's a somewhat risky move, drawing so much attention. I'm just brainstorming at this phase. But I feel like scenarios 1&2 look town-positive in my eyes, scenario 3 is neutral and scenario 4 is scum-positive, so all in all the odds should be in our favour.

[andretimpa]

Angel doesn't work on GN tho

[PlayerOa]

Not even when GN is only a temporary Fate Egg role?

[andretimpa]

summon rob/Link/someone smarter than me

[TheonlyrealBeef]

But having GN die is just pro town, since every future town Vulture roll also becomes GN. No need to bother with protection, just the threat of having every future Vulture roll turn another town into cop is all the protection GN needs.

[rob77dp]

HOST CLARIFICATION:
A hatched Fate Egg is "disguised as that role if investigated or revealed" --> in a similar vein, a GN secondary cannot be protected from the Nightkill (these phrasings are from the role descriptions with post serving to clarify the intent).

Angel doesn't work on GN tho

Not even when GN is only a temporary Fate Egg role?

summon rob/Link/someone smarter than me