Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp

[Coffeeditto]

this game is a mess. will put more thoughts later

[kaempfer13]

The thing about claiming golden nymph is that your ability can be prevented through the nightkill, so its only worth if a town!crusader or town!angel exists. Additionaly due to lack of claimpower it's hard to keep track of people roleblocking. Also i think vulture can only get crusaded roles or fate egg regardless of when the target died.

[kaempfer13]

Also, wait is this actually the eod time that won?! even i am not that dedicated to stay up that late.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

It's not the EoD time that won, it's the time that works for the host.

A Fate Egg should have their hatched role listed last, allowing that one to be taken. I don't see why Endow would Endo not-Fate Egg but then Vulture only gets Fate Egg.

The idea of claiming is to not let them get protected, having Golden Nymph in the pool of Vulture abilities is just too good in this setup.

[PlayerOa]

Yeah EoD won’t happen for me either. Maybe this is a good thing after all? The results of the last vote shifting madness EoD’s haven’t really been positive.

[kaempfer13]

Do we want otys/toadfish to claim? Especially in case of oty its likely for actually correct play to cause an uproar as its going to be revealed the same night.

Regardless i think it a good idea to hold a vote in the night, where otys/toadfish target the "lynchvote". This doubles our wagonomics as well. It also makes townotys actually using their ability (as they should) less devisive and leashes scumotys to potentially target one of their own.

[Linkcat]

Agree that GNs should claim. I hope there's another one because I really don't want to be the first Nightkill two games in a row.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

We'll just do our own European not-EoD vote shifting madness 6 hours early

Wouldn't vigis not have a huge chance to be roleblocked? Possibly even through the nightkill, since that takes priority over Inflate and Devour. Mafia can even protect a townie this way, in hopes of setting up a mislynch the day after. I'd rather risk a double vig on the same target, than have them claim before their ability has been used, the day after works just as well for claiming, no?

[kaempfer13]

yh, actually if we hold the vote its preferable not to claim.

[kaempfer13]

although getting roleblocked is actually an indicator of them being town when noone dies, no? but in that case we probably want to lynch their target, so we rather just want the kill to go through.

[Linkcat]

Toadfish and Otyugh should not claim. You'll find out who I targeted when we get to N1.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Well, if the person to be vigged can block the vig, I could see them do that as either alignment. I could argue it's bad town play since they are likely to just get lynched the next day, but I don't think this would prevent, say w3, from blocking the vig. This tells us nothing about the alignment of the one that would have vigged if he's town. If target and vig are both mafia, you wouldn't see anyone die either. They could pretend to be roleblocked and not use, or use if they can block it just in case someone is watching.

Toadfish and Otyugh should not claim. You'll find out who I targeted when we get to N1.

Soft claim ALL the roles!