Elements Mafia 75 - by rob77dp

[killsdazombies]

I think were just gonna extend into oblivion if we extend now. If people were going to post they would have already

Put my vote on shock, baring a huge post im fine with this

[PlayerOa]

kae seems more and more genuine to me now. Not comfortable on sheeping him yet, but shock/(Coffee/Cal) w/w seems at least like a sensible theory to me if nothing else. If I've understood this correctly, if a mafia!anubis targeted andretimpa it has to be either me or shock, from my point of view it's must be shock. Coffee is one I did townread a lot early, almost to the point of tunneling him as town, but kaempf theories + recent inactivity is making me a but leery. Nae has always been somewhat sus to me, but might just be me tunneling, idk. Just a gut I guess. kdz is like always town. Cal.. no idea.

Anubis situation makes me lean towards shock for today's lynch, at least we're not policy lynching him this time lol. Seems like it's either scum!shock or town!anyone, where the first alternative is the by far most sensible one. But tbh I might be willing to accept trains on anybody but me, kaempfer or kdz at this point should a convincing statement show up.

Disagree with kdz statement on extending into oblivion. Thoughts from shock and Coffee are highly appreciated at this point

Extension (2) - kaempfer13, PlayerOa

Calindu (1) - Naesala
shockcannon (2) - killsdazombies, PlayerOa

[killsdazombies]

Fine, toss me on an extension as well

But I dont like it

[kaempfer13]

Extension (3) - kaempfer13, PlayerOa, killsdazombies

Calindu (1) - Naesala
shockcannon (3) - killsdazombies, PlayerOa, kaempfer13

good night

[rob77dp]

24 HOUR EXTENSION of Day 4.

Timer is updated to show that Day 4 has concluded.

Extension (3) - kaempfer13, PlayerOa, killsdazombies
No Extension (0) -

[shockcannon]

Extension (3) - kaempfer13, PlayerOa, killsdazombies

Calindu (1) - Naesala
shockcannon (3) - killsdazombies, PlayerOa, kaempfer13
Coffeeditto (1) - shockcannon



I had a big post ready but I found a flaw in one part and so I'll just summarize. But coffee has basically gotten off scotch free despite posting nothing, and especially in a game where the mafia made such a big deal to kill off the talkative players first. I hate to admit it, but kaempf may actually be town, and it's quite unfortunate that he still continues to tunnel me. I really don't have a way to confirm myself as not Anubis, if no one else had any night actions to check me, but I was one of the first ones to post about my night action for N1. I have also always been open to sharing night roles since every mafia ever, and I was the one who started the conversation about Anubis. I know it's not past me to start a witch hunt when the witch is me, but really?

Anyways, I'll vote Calindu if I have to, but like I said, I think it's less likely that it's him.

[kaempfer13]

So what was the flaw in that big post, seems like those things still apply?
Also what was that master plan that required people to think you're  scumreading me (just deja vu things)

[shockcannon]

Well I wanted to bait some people into voting certain ways. But it hasn't worked because some people just haven't voted. Which in one sense, means my plan doesn't work because I didn't get the reaction I wanted, but as result I got a different reaction, in that there was no response. And no voting when we're just 1 lynch away from lynch or lose is pretty suspicious to me. It's as if the mafia don't care what happens here and since no one is pressuring them they have no reason to draw attention with a misplaced vote.

So I really really would like to put some pressure on Coffee and Calindu so they at least vote, even if its one me. If I die, then there'll be 2 mafia and 3 town at the start of the next day phase and you'll have to make some crazy guesses because we have 2 afk players that aren't getting any attention and aren't punished for not voting when it matters most.

So I guess i'll swap to Calindu, but I really think Coffee is more likely. However, I did say that Calindu would be my preferred target at lynch or lose, and if I get lynched then it's basically the same thing, so I suppose I can just vote him now. But I would really like some help pressuring them so they at least speak.

I don't want to be lynched for nothing. Let's at least get some information out of my death if it has to be me.


Calindu (2) - Naesala, shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - killsdazombies, PlayerOa, kaempfer13

[shockcannon]

Ok I just had a revelation. So the votes last night were almost official.

If I'm mafia, then it should have been pretty easy to save me with only 3 votes for me, and Nae voting for Calindu. The only way where it's not possible is if Nae and I are both mafia, which I think is pretty impossible and I think everyone agrees with that. So either my teammate is kaempf, Oa, or kdz bussing me, or it's afk Coffee or Calindu. Either way, I find it pretty farfetched that the mafia would just let the lynch on me happen when not even half the remaining players think I'm mafia.

Which should be a MASSIVE signal to everyone that I'm likely NOT the mafia, and it's two others who had 0 reason to switch up the votes to save me. Having me lynched doesn't really narrow too much, and it keeps both the afk players alive as potential set up targets for the following day's lynch (assuming they're not both mafia).

[Calindu]

Calindu (2) - Naesala, shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - killsdazombies, PlayerOa, kaempfer13
Coffeeditto (1) - Calindu

I think it's more likely to be Coffee or Nae atm, and I think it's better to find the non-anubis mafia first, as then it's easier to find the last one.

I don't agree with shock's last post though, as your mafia partner and you voting on me would make it at best 3-2 (assuming you have been bussed). If I vote, then it becomes 3-3 and there would still be someone who didn't vote. If you die here because of Coffee voting (assuming Coffee/shock not w/w, because otherwise it's not that easy to save you), or Nae switching, and flip mafia, it kind of becomes evident who the last mafia is.

[kaempfer13]

Uh shock, what happened to looking for Anubis? are you afraid of the necessary conclusion of when oa flips town?
I agree that a partner of either of you what be within Calindu and Coffee.
About ease of saving you it absolutely doesn't apply; 1. the extension was announced before you came active 2. if your partner is calindu there would be no point in that 3. if your partner is coffee I'm not sure he was even active 4. it would just tie the votes, leaving the decision to calindu and also exposing your partner

[kaempfer13]

even dumber unless you were bussed, at which point your partner would have explaining to do, calindu would have to choose between himself and you and I think he has basic common sense